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Replacing outdated 7 year old system


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#1 giantatx

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:00 PM

Hi, look forward to your responses.

 

Laptop or Desktop?  Desktop
 
My budget for the new computer is:  £700-1000 (US$ 900-1300)
 
What are the primary uses for this computer: Email, Web surfing, general web usage, some gaming, storage, day trading forex.
 
What software do you intend on using on the computer?  Win 7.  I'd like to avoid Win 10 if possible after hearing about its backdoors.    
 
Do you play games? If so, what type of games?  All sorts but usually modern popular ones like Far Cry 4, Bioshock, Dishonoured, Fallout 4, Doom etc.  
 
Do you tend to have a lot of programs running at the same time, or do you close every program when you are done using it?  Usually try to close progs before firing up another one.
 
Do you store a lot of pictures or music on the computer?  Not really.  A few GB of storage but that's it.
 
Will you be overclocking?  If it can be done safely and without too much hassle.  I'd previously tried overclocking on my old Asus mobo but didn't get further than unlocking the cores on the CPU.
 
Location for online shopping/shipment/prices?  UK
 
How many monitors are you planning to use?  I would like to use 2 but maybe more if I manage to day trade.
 
Do you need peripherals? OS?  Plenty of USB ports.  The ability to switch between headphones and speakers without having to unplug and swop over the audio jack from the back of the system.
 
Any particular reason why you are upgrading?  BSODs and the system can't play latest games.
 
I'm still using my old 19" Dell monitor from >10 yrs ago.  Maybe it's time for an upgrade to 21.5".
 
When I purchased my old system (spec here: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/626723/windows-7-crashes-and-bsods/) I paid around £700 ($900), which is probably the minimum you'd want to spend for a reasonably future proofed system.  I'm happy to pay a little more if it'll last a little longer.  
 
Assuming I own this system for >5 years, I wonder if this'll be the last desktop I buy... 


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#2 Drillingmachine

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:12 PM

AMD Ryzen launch comes less than a month, waiting is highly recommended as pricing should be very competitive for future proof system.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:36 PM

Yes, I'd say it's worth waiting for Ryzen at current as it is likely to fall within your budget.

 

For £1k, you'd be looking at a 1060 6GB or RX 480 4GB which will certainly run every game at higher/max settings at 1080p. CPU would be an i5 at that point for a gaming PC but Ryzen may end up being better than this.

 

One issue is that many pre-builts will come with windows 10 and having to replace it with windows 7 is usually a waste of money as part of what you paid went to the OS. Unless you were willing to build it, Windows 10 isn't that bad of an OS. Windows 7 support ends in 2020 so its worth getting


Edited by Planemaster2, 08 February 2017 - 03:44 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:14 AM

I probably won't get round to buying before next month anyway.

 

If the new release Ryzen is soon to be here, it'd be dumb to buy it when it's first released as the price will be high.  Surely it'd make more sense to buy a slightly older high spec CPU even if its performance is lower.

 

Yea, I suppose a Win 10 purchase is unavoidable.



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 11:05 AM

Ryzen have to be sold at competitive prices right from the start, otherwise, no one will buy it. If it was a phone then the price will drop as time goes on, with a CPU, People look for price/performance and they won't care if the CPU is new. Just whether it performs well.

Just a quick question, are you sure you can't build a PC? You'd be able to have more power, better quality parts and you could use Windows 7 with no Bloatware that slows the PC down.

If not, then I'm sure a little research will find us something suitable.


Edited by hamluis, 09 February 2017 - 04:00 PM.


#6 giantatx

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 12:08 PM

are you sure you can't build a PC

 

I built my last system and it was a big mess.  I ended up returning it to Aria UK, where I'd bought all the parts, and paying them to complete the build but there were still issues with it:

 

- the front USB ports didn't work - never resolved.

- the front headphone jack didn't work - never resolved.

 

- overly noisy

- the initial poor selection of a micro case created airflow issues which resulted in greater fan speeds to reduce temperature.

- I purchased an aftermarket cooler to replace the stock smaller AMD cooler but it made NO difference because the greater size of the lo profile aftermarket cooler meant the airflow inside the case was reduced resulting in greater fan speeds all round.  I reverted back to the AMD stock cooler.

 

Anyway, I eventually realised I had to enable the 'Cool and Quiet' mode in the Asus mobo, which certainly managed to get fan speeds down to more respectable levels but the system still didn't feel right.

 

I didn't do any overclocking except to unlock the CPU cores, which was an easy option in the BIOS.

 

So, I suppose a DIY build is possible, but I'd need to be damn sure about the combination of components to minimise the time spent 'fixing' the system.

 

Another issue I had with the AMD GPU I had on my system was trying to update the GPU driver, which always caused my system to crash.  I constantly had to revert back to an older, more stable version of the driver.  Again, this issue never really got resolved in spite of my efforts.

 

Needless to say, I've learnt a fair bit over the years from the hassles involved with this system, but I'd really prefer not to spend so much time on these issues.



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 12:32 PM

Fair enough, from a little research, I've found this PC (PC: https://www.chillblast.com/chillblast-fusion-rx-480-custom-gaming-pc-2.html?category_id=412). RX 480 8GB is ok but I'd like to see a 1060 6GB as that is more cost worthy in my opinion. However, the value is pretty good with a 1TB HDD and a 256GB SSD.

 

But with the release of Ryzen coming, things will change a lot and it would be silly to buy a PC now. One place to look at would be custom builders that allow you to choose parts for them and they build it for you. A well reviewed place like PC Specialist may come up with others in the UK. But don't touch them as they are the Apple of PC's. For £500, they tried to sell me an i3, 1TB HDD, 8 GB RAM, 450W non brand PSU and the usual PC stuff in which they called this overpriced PC a "Gaming PC" which is a complete rip - off. There are plenty of others but I wouldn't touch the larger brands such as Alienware - Dell, Lenovo, Acer as they install bloatware which slows your system down.


Edited by hamluis, 09 February 2017 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 06:12 AM

OK, thanks, I can wait a while.  

 

That system from chillblast is basically what I'm looking for.  Let's suppose I built something with the same spec, how much could I save?  Would it be worth the effort or wiser to leave it to the pros?

 

Another company I've been looking at is Arbico because they specialise in making quiet PCs: http://www.arbico.co.uk



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 06:31 AM

OK, thanks, I can wait a while.  

 

That system from chillblast is basically what I'm looking for.  Let's suppose I built something with the same spec, how much could I save?  Would it be worth the effort or wiser to leave it to the pros?

 

Another company I've been looking at is Arbico because they specialise in making quiet PCs: http://www.arbico.co.uk

 

Tried to match the specs of the Chillbast PC on that site and it doesn't even match the performance at the same price so the Chillblast one is better. Honestly, if you aren't confident with building it then I wouldn't put myself through the hassle of it. 

 

Although the prices will change quite a bit, especially since the prices of Ryzen have been seen and it looks very promising if they can beat intels current lineup



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 01:28 PM

OK, it looks like getting a machine with the latest spec will cost me more than I'd anticipated.  So, I'm thinking of building it myself.  To see if the saving is worth it, I want to build a system with similar spec to this.  I basically took Chillblast's lowest Ryzen machine and have gone for the 1800X and upgraded the GPU like Planemaster said. 

 

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU, 8 Cores, 3.6 - 4.0GHz
Case: Corsair Carbide 88R Case - Black
CPU Cooler: AMD Quiet Wraith Stock CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste: Standard Thermal Paste
Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B350M-A Motherboard
Memory: 16GB DDR4 2133MHz Memory (2 x 8GB Sticks)
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Graphics Card
OS Drive: 250GB SK hynix SL301 Solid State Drive
Secondary Hard Drive: Seagate 2TB 7200RPM Hard Disk
Power Supply: Aerocool 80 PLUS 600W PSU
Sound Card: Onboard High Definition Audio
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit

 

I'm going to need a new monitor too and so suggestions would be appreciated.



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 04:30 AM

The 1800X is a nice choice, but, is it not about $150 more than the 7700K? That extra $150 alone would likely allow for a GTX1070 over a 1060, FYI...or a M.2 960 EVO, if your mainboard supports it....

 

(If you feel your anticipated workload/use case is more multithreaded and likely to perform better under Ryzen, then, fair enough, enjoy your purchase and, good luck!)


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:24 AM

(If you feel your anticipated workload/use case is more multithreaded and likely to perform better under Ryzen, then, fair enough, enjoy your purchase and, good luck!)

 

 

Bit of gaming and multitasking.  Obviously a better spec will future proof it more.



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 12:19 PM

Here's a nice site you can use: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

Putting the budget at £1150 as that's what you were looking at, this is what I could come up with:

 


 
Motherboard: ASRock Z270 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£105.64 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£83.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung PM961 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£82.03 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£62.45 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 4GB G1 Gaming Video Card  (£158.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  (£87.78 @ Aria PC) 
Monitor: AOC G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (£199.98 @ PC World Business) 
Total: £1089.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-17 17:19 GMT+0000
 
I've left a bit of leeway for editing the components and shipping or preferred sites but this will handle any game at 1080p very well. Building a system for 5+ years will be hard unless you have a lot of money.

Edited by Planemaster2, 17 March 2017 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 12:51 PM

System is OK but Ryzen 5 1600 will make 7600K bad buy in less than a month. It's also much better for multitasking (6C/12T vs 4C/4T).



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 01:06 PM

System is OK but Ryzen 5 1600 will make 7600K bad buy in less than a month. It's also much better for multitasking (6C/12T vs 4C/4T).

 

Forgot to mention this, yes it may be worth waiting for Ryzen, especially if you're keeping the system for a while as games may end up benefiting from lots of cores.






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