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How to determine cause of high CPU usage w/ Firefox 51


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#1 GSGregg

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 10:04 PM

Hello;

 

Running XP-SP3 with Celeron D-331 @ 2.66GHz. Opening many pages, from email links or directly, often pegs the CPU, as there are many photos, ads, etc. to load up; this is to be expected with a 'dead' OS and single-core processor, but when the spinning progress icon stops, the loading should be finished and the system at idle. However, in recent months, reaching this state takes considerable extra time during which Task Manager shows 100% usage, even after the spinning has stopped, with Firefox in the nineties and Task Manager / explorer.exe absorbing the rest.

 

The other night, I decided to see how long this would persist, so just let it go.....for over a half-hour! (It finally settled in to idle) Task Manager showed merely that Firefox was eating almost everything, but offered no further diagnosis. In the past, I have tried Process Monitor, but apparently didn't understand the finer points, because it just seemed like a 'version 2' of Task Manager. Is there a recommended diagnostic tool with which I can expose the data hog?

 

Re Eraser23's "High CPU Usage When On Line" thread, there is no Java in this Firefox, and the only plugin that's disabled is Adobe Acrobat PDF Plugin For Firefox and Netscape 11.0.8.4---I tried to update, but Adobe says I have the most recent version (even though Firefox says they've blocked all through 11.0.8.16 (?!) )

 

Thanks in advance for reading another one of my 'white elephants';  

 

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 02:16 PM

Please download MiniToolBox  , save it to your desktop and run it.
 
Checkmark the following checkboxes:
  List last 10 Event Viewer log
  List Installed Programs
  List Users, Partitions and Memory size.
 
Click Go and paste the content into your next post.
 
Also...please Publish a Snapshot using Speccy taking care to post the link of the snapshot in your next post.

   Go to Piriform's website, and download the free version on the left.  Click Download from Piriform.com (the FileHippo link requires an extra click). Or if you want to use a portable version of Speccy (which doesn't require installation), click the builds page link and download the portable version. You will now be asked where you want to save the file. The best place to put it is the Desktop, as it will be easy to find later.

    After the file finishes downloading, you are ready to run Speccy. If you downloaded the installer, simply double-click on it and follow the prompts until installation is complete. If you downloaded the portable version, you will need to unzip it before use. Right-click the ZIP file and click Extract all. Click Next. Open up the extracted folder and double-click on Speccy.
 
     Once inside Speccy, it will look similar to this (with your computer's specifications, of course):
 
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     Now, at the top, click File > Publish Snapshot.

     Click Yes > then Copy to Clipboard

Now, once you are back in the forum topic you are posting in, click the ADD REPLY or REPLY TO THIS TOPIC button. Right-click in the empty space of the Reply box and click Paste. Then, click Add Reply below the Reply box.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 05:46 PM

Im in the same boat, winXP + firefox 51.0.1.

 

Last thing i did with fox that i remember was i tried out some plugin called "disconnect" then fox started acting odd, i removed the plugin and the problem remains, don't know if its the plug-in that did something with fox 51 or fox 51 is just trash but it dousen't take fox long once lunched to start using anywhere from 500~1500+ megs ram, cpu spikes all over the place at 100% use on one core "fox is a single threaded app" and its just lock ups all over the place given time when trying to surf and i like having like 25 pages going when doing research at times, when surfing in fox 51 now its like someone is playing with the on/off switch on my browser all over the place, makes surfing all most impossible.

Given time it just locks in my face and i force close and restart but the problem comes back and in record time, bin like that for a week now.

 

Didn't want to talk about this till a did a full purge and reinstall to see what happens but i saw this topic and i was like bla, ill speak up some.

 

just as im typing this fox is using like 450megs ram with 3 pages open.



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Posted 04 February 2017 - 11:35 PM

Hello, Louis; thanks for looking into this.

 

Not certain if the MTB Notepad page will fit without wrapping the long error entries, which almost reach triple-page width, but I'll just highlight, copy/paste and take my chances.....

 

MiniToolBox by Farbar  Version: 17-06-2016
Ran by Gregg (administrator) on 04-02-2017 at 13:44:14
Running from "C:\Documents and Settings\Gregg\My Documents\Downloads"
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (X86)
Model: AWRDACPI Manufacturer: AWARD_

Boot Mode: Normal
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========================= Event log errors: ===============================

Application errors:
==================
Error: (02/01/2017 12:44:38 PM) (Source: Application Hang) (User: )
Description: Hanging application START PINemHi_Leaderboard.exe, version 1.0.48.5, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000.

Error: (01/31/2017 07:03:15 PM) (Source: crypt32) (User: )
Description: Failed auto update retrieval of third-party root certificate from: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/91C6D6EE3E8AC86384E548C299295C756C817B81.crt> with error: This operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 07:03:15 PM) (Source: crypt32) (User: )
Description: Failed auto update retrieval of third-party root certificate from: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/91C6D6EE3E8AC86384E548C299295C756C817B81.crt> with error: This operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 06:48:43 PM) (Source: crypt32) (User: )
Description: Failed auto update retrieval of third-party root certificate from: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/DAC9024F54D8F6DF94935FB1732638CA6AD77C13.crt> with error: This operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 06:48:43 PM) (Source: crypt32) (User: )
Description: Failed auto update retrieval of third-party root certificate from: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/DAC9024F54D8F6DF94935FB1732638CA6AD77C13.crt> with error: This operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 01:19:23 PM) (Source: crypt32) (User: )
Description: Failed auto update retrieval of third-party root list sequence number from: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/authrootseq.txt> with error: The specified server cannot perform the requested operation.

Error: (01/31/2017 01:19:22 PM) (Source: crypt32) (User: )
Description: Failed auto update retrieval of third-party root list sequence number from: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/authrootseq.txt> with error: This operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/30/2017 07:35:49 PM) (Source: Application Hang) (User: )
Description: Hanging application START PINemHi_Leaderboard.exe, version 1.0.48.5, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000.

Error: (01/29/2017 02:11:25 PM) (Source: Application Hang) (User: )
Description: Hanging application START PINemHi_Leaderboard.exe, version 1.0.48.5, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000.

Error: (01/26/2017 06:20:48 PM) (Source: crypt32) (User: )
Description: Failed auto update retrieval of third-party root certificate from: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/503006091D97D4F5AE39F7CBE7927D7D652D3431.crt> with error: The specified server cannot perform the requested operation.


System errors:
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Microsoft Office Sessions:
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Error: (02/01/2017 12:44:38 PM) (Source: Application Hang)(User: )
Description: START PINemHi_Leaderboard.exe1.0.48.5hungapp0.0.0.000000000

Error: (01/31/2017 07:03:15 PM) (Source: crypt32)(User: )
Description: http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/91C6D6EE3E8AC86384E548C299295C756C817B81.crtThis operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 07:03:15 PM) (Source: crypt32)(User: )
Description: http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/91C6D6EE3E8AC86384E548C299295C756C817B81.crtThis operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 06:48:43 PM) (Source: crypt32)(User: )
Description: http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/DAC9024F54D8F6DF94935FB1732638CA6AD77C13.crtThis operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 06:48:43 PM) (Source: crypt32)(User: )
Description: http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/DAC9024F54D8F6DF94935FB1732638CA6AD77C13.crtThis operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/31/2017 01:19:23 PM) (Source: crypt32)(User: )
Description: http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/authrootseq.txtThe specified server cannot perform the requested operation.

Error: (01/31/2017 01:19:22 PM) (Source: crypt32)(User: )
Description: http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/authrootseq.txtThis operation returned because the timeout period expired.

Error: (01/30/2017 07:35:49 PM) (Source: Application Hang)(User: )
Description: START PINemHi_Leaderboard.exe1.0.48.5hungapp0.0.0.000000000

Error: (01/29/2017 02:11:25 PM) (Source: Application Hang)(User: )
Description: START PINemHi_Leaderboard.exe1.0.48.5hungapp0.0.0.000000000

Error: (01/26/2017 06:20:48 PM) (Source: crypt32)(User: )
Description: http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/503006091D97D4F5AE39F7CBE7927D7D652D3431.crtThe specified server cannot perform the requested operation.

=========================== Installed Programs ============================
Adobe Flash Player 24 NPAPI (HKLM\...\Adobe Flash Player NPAPI) (Version: 24.0.0.194 - Adobe Systems Incorporated)
Adobe Reader XI (11.0.08) (HKLM\...\{AC76BA86-7AD7-1033-7B44-AB0000000001}) (Version: 11.0.08 - Adobe Systems Incorporated)
AMD Catalyst Install Manager (HKLM\...\{4DD74029-BE67-E4B7-CDFE-BB365E14F28D}) (Version: 8.0.877.0 - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.)
ATI Display Driver (HKLM\...\ATI Display Driver) (Version: 8.65-090813a-087120E - )
Avast Free Antivirus (HKLM\...\Avast) (Version: 12.3.2280 - AVAST Software)
CCleaner (HKLM\...\CCleaner) (Version: 5.25 - Piriform)
C-Media WDM Audio Driver (HKLM\...\C-Media Audio Driver) (Version:  - )
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 (HKLM\...\Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1  (1033)) (Version:  - )
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Security Update (KB2833941) (HKLM\...\M2833941) (Version:  - )
Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 (HKLM\...\{C09FB3CD-3D0C-3F2D-899A-6A1D67F2073F}) (Version: 2.2.30729 - Microsoft Corporation)
Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 2 (HKLM\...\{A3051CD0-2F64-3813-A88D-B8DCCDE8F8C7}) (Version: 3.2.30729 - Microsoft Corporation)
Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (HKLM\...\Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP1) (Version:  - Microsoft Corporation)
Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile (HKLM\...\Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile) (Version: 4.0.30319 - Microsoft Corporation)
Microsoft Base Smart Card Cryptographic Service Provider Package (HKLM\...\KB909520) (Version:  - Microsoft Corporation)
Mozilla Firefox 51.0.1 (x86 en-US) (HKLM\...\Mozilla Firefox 51.0.1 (x86 en-US)) (Version: 51.0.1 - Mozilla)
Mozilla Maintenance Service (HKLM\...\MozillaMaintenanceService) (Version: 51.0.1.6234 - Mozilla)
PCI Audio Driver (HKLM\...\PCI Audio Driver) (Version:  - )
SafeZone Stable 1.48.2066.120 (HKLM\...\SafeZone 1.48.2066.120) (Version: 1.48.2066.120 - Avast Software) Hidden
TeamViewer 12 (HKLM\...\TeamViewer) (Version: 12.0.72365 - TeamViewer)
Update for Windows Internet Explorer 8 (KB2598845) (HKLM\...\KB2598845-IE8) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows Internet Explorer 8 (KB2632503) (HKLM\...\KB2632503-IE8) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB2345886) (HKLM\...\KB2345886) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB2492386) (HKLM\...\KB2492386) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB2749655) (HKLM\...\KB2749655) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB2808679) (HKLM\...\KB2808679) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB2904266) (HKLM\...\KB2904266) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB2934207) (HKLM\...\KB2934207) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB898461) (HKLM\...\KB898461) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB968389) (HKLM\...\KB968389) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB971029) (HKLM\...\KB971029) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Update for Windows XP (KB973815) (HKLM\...\KB973815) (Version: 1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Visual Install Pack (HKLM\...\{549CC831-2542-47F2-A855-2F41E50EF015}) (Version: 81.21 - Phoenixx)
Visual Pinball VPInstaller 1.0.3 (HKLM\...\Visual Pinball) (Version: VPInstaller 1.0.3 - VPForums.org)
WebFldrs XP (HKLM\...\{350C97B0-3D7C-4EE8-BAA9-00BCB3D54227}) (Version: 9.50.7523 - Microsoft Corporation) Hidden
Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications (KB905474) (HKLM\...\WgaNotify) (Version: 1.9.0040.0 - Microsoft Corporation)
Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool (KB892130) (HKLM\...\KB892130) (Version:  - Microsoft Corporation)
Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool (KB892130) (HKLM\...\WGA) (Version: 1.7.0069.2 - Microsoft Corporation)
Windows Internet Explorer 8 (HKLM\...\ie8) (Version: 20090308.140743 - Microsoft Corporation)
Windows Management Framework Core (HKLM\...\KB968930) (Version:  - Microsoft Corporation)
Windows Search 4.0 (HKLM\...\KB940157) (Version: 04.00.6001.503 - Microsoft Corporation)

========================= Memory info: ===================================
Percentage of memory in use: 43%
Total physical RAM: 2046.48 MB
Available physical RAM: 1147.18 MB
Total Virtual: 3942.85 MB
Available Virtual: 3100.74 MB

========================= Partitions: =====================================
2 Drive c: () (Fixed) (Total:74.52 GB) (Free:39.04 GB) NTFS
3 Drive d: (Win_XP_Pro_SP3) (CDROM) (Total:0.63 GB) (Free:0 GB) CDFS

========================= Users: ========================================
User accounts for \\GREGG-735A40C70

Administrator            ASPNET                   Gregg                    
Guest                    HelpAssistant            SUPPORT_388945a0         


**** End of log ****
 

Ahhh... it did automatically what I was going to do manually. Now for the Speccy report:

 

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/Zi5ZnFI5MYUccohLxHw7HJF

 

Hmmm.....never noticed that I have two 'firefox.exe's; is that normal?

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Shadow_647;

 

You gave me the idea of observing memory usage and comparing. With Firefox open and this page minimized, plus MiniToolBox (Notepad) and Speccy minimized (but they aren't part of Firefox memory usage), CPU is fluctuating from 18% to 25% and Task Manager shows FF at 420,860KB (been creeping up from 395,xxx over about 15 minutes). Closing MiniToolBox and maximizing this site effected no perceptible change; now to re-minimize this, open a second FF websearch and open my email.....FF memory approaching 480,xxxKB and CPU bouncing between 30-40% and below 10% (RATS---when I want it to glitch, it won't cooperate! Opening an email didn't do as I expected, either).

 

Maybe Louis will find something in what I submitted.....

 

Gregg


Edited by hamluis, 05 February 2017 - 06:51 AM.


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 01:05 AM

You know your cpu is trash by the way and i find better in the trash for free as well a http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Pentium_D/960.html costs like $5 and from my research should run on your motherboard chipset, though you might need a bios update and id double check to make shore the motherboard supports be before going their.

 

If you live in the city were i live ill trade you a top of the line p4 3000+mgz with hyper threading cpu socket 775 for a beer,i have a few in stock last i checked, pm me to find out what city im in if you care, you should all so see the complete system i can get of late for like $60 used.

 

Shame you only have 2 memory slots too, ddr1 ram is free of late and winxp 32bit can use up to 4gigs.

Only 80gig hdd :D ,yaaa old system i see, im still in winxp too but im packing like 5 hdd total at like 2TB total.

 

Im surprised you can even surf the net with that cpu, i know my self anything video wise isn't possible at a decent fps on youtube with less with a top of the line pentium4 cpu or maxed out AMD k7 cpu.

 

And ya i see it too in your speccy and no you should not have twin fox exes as far as i know and i don't have that at my end with the same version of fox and their not the same process ID on your computer, i know i don't whats going on their but i would say one fake or something.

 

You running plugins in fox bro ? and if so what are they as well id zap the smaller memory use fox.exe gone from process explorer just for fun and see what happens and take a good hard look before hand to see what its doing.

 

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Edit: content update:

 

was looking up team viewer that you seem to be running on your system, why do you have this running ?

From what i understand its like remote desktop and its camping a port and waiting for orders, as well what firewall you running, don't tell me default winxp firewall and i see as well you haven't done a lock down on your system, i see remote reg is running and it shouldn't be along with a pile of other stuff.


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 03:01 AM

How about a lighter browser than Firefox? :)

 

There's a model of Flash Peak Slimjet just for XP users, download the installer & the correct version will be installed. Best of all, no ads, which eats into resources! :thumbsup:

 

http://www.slimjet.com/

 

At a minimum, take Slimjet for a spin & make the call yourself. :)

 

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 06:56 AM

You only have 2GB RAM installed, which is adequate for routine surfing, etc. in XP.  But whenever you attempt to run any program which is RAM-intensive, I would expect problems.  For every browser window open, it's not unusual for 200-300 MB of memory to be used, depending on webpage content.

 

I use Firefox on my XP install and currently have 4 windows open.  My max RAM usage is reflected as 300MB.  Your max RAM for Firefox is twice mine, but you probably have add-ons installed, whereas I do not.

 

Strange that your Event Viewer data reflects no System Errors.

 

I don't see a system problem with RAM usage...but that pinball app is not liked by Windows.  I would uninstall it or uninstall/reinstall, at the least.

 

The data submitted does not reflect CPU usage and you don't define what "high CPU usage" is, in your mind.

 

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 08:34 AM

How about a lighter browser than Firefox? :)

 

There's a model of Flash Peak Slimjet just for XP users, download the installer & the correct version will be installed. Best of all, no ads, which eats into resources! :thumbsup:

 

http://www.slimjet.com/

 

At a minimum, take Slimjet for a spin & make the call yourself. :)

 

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It's the latest portable one.

 

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 09:08 AM

How about a lighter browser than Firefox? :)

 

There's a model of Flash Peak Slimjet just for XP users, download the installer & the correct version will be installed. Best of all, no ads, which eats into resources! :thumbsup:

 

http://www.slimjet.com/

 

At a minimum, take Slimjet for a spin & make the call yourself. :)

 

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ill take it for a test spin at some point and see what happens but it sounds like its based on chrome if so ill pass and i don't want some of what it has, i don't use flash player or java script my self

 

You only have 2GB RAM installed, which is adequate for routine surfing, etc. in XP.  But whenever you attempt to run any program which is RAM-intensive, I would expect problems.  For every browser window open, it's not unusual for 200-300 MB of memory to be used, depending on webpage content.

 

I use Firefox on my XP install and currently have 4 windows open.  My max RAM usage is reflected as 300MB.  Your max RAM for Firefox is twice mine, but you probably have add-ons installed, whereas I do not.

 

Strange that your Event Viewer data reflects no System Errors.

 

I don't see a system problem with RAM usage...but that pinball app is not liked by Windows.  I would uninstall it or uninstall/reinstall, at the least.

 

The data submitted does not reflect CPU usage and you don't define what "high CPU usage" is, in your mind.

 

Louis

 

Ya i saw the ram topic too in speccy, sadly i don't think ddr1 comes in 2 gig sticks and even if it douse i don't know if his motherboard would take it and hes caped at 2 dimms too so it looks like 2gigs is the limit for his setup.

 

And i see you don't use fox Louis because you don't seem to know whats going on with memory use even though you claim to with that browser, i can have 25+ pages open and at most im looking at like a gig of ram used, when im down to 5 pages or so open its half that so 400~500megs, as far as your consed at 250gigs per page it should be 25pages x 250megs = 6000+ megs , think your numbers are off.

 

Op ram is fine over all but like you yes if your in XP and ram is cheap it would be nice to have 4gigs though with the cpu op has whatever uses 4 gigs ram will choke on the cpu before it gets their in any case, so 2 gigs is still a good number for that system.

 

fox_memory.jpg

 

As for OP high cpu use, well from my testing on a top of the line pentium4 cpu 3000mgz "i still deal with computers like that from time to time" and trying to watch a youtube, cpu use should be 115%, cpu buddy is using will run a youtube vid in flash player/html5 but probably at -50% or normal fps with cpu use at 100%, cpu hes using is really bottom of the barrel for this day and age.

 

And im not trying to hijack the thread, just have the same problem "all most" with the same version of fox so im joining in the fun, funny thing too is this all started at my end as well the min i reged in to some deep web hacker forums and started posting/becoming active their, makes me half wonder if theirs browser bots or something out their that are doing a DOS attack vs me and are some how able to know who i am just to get on my nerves with buffer overflow attacks.

 

In response so far for my problem iv enabled some of the Firefox telemetry options so as to act like a honeypot for mozilla aka feeding em logs at my end.



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 09:18 AM

DId a extra test just to see whats going on with the fox version 51 with memory use with a clean boot with my home page set to about:blank, all plug-in and or add ons disabled and open just one instance of fox and check memory use, this is what i saw at my end.

 

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As you can see its not even 200megs.



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 08:46 PM

A little history, Louis;

On Jan 10, after weeks of freeze-ups during boot and requiring restarts to complete the sequence ("The driver has detected a controller error in HardDisk0/D"), I had the newest of my four harddrives formatted and installed with a fresh copy of XP Pro SP3. The I.T. guy loaded Avast free and CCleaner, created a user account (other than Admin or Guest) and installed Team Viewer, for a future session if there should be one. The Install/Recovery disk is in Drive D because if it isn't, the boot sequence stops at "Press any key to boot from CD"; of course, I don't want to install or format, so I don't press any keys...and Windows skips right past and completes the boot sequence.(We live about 50 miles apart, he's pretty busy, and things are tolerable as they are, so we haven't team-viewed yet.)
 

...you probably have add-ons installed, whereas I do not.

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There has been Java for many FF versions up until the current one, but it was always blocked / disabled---I see they finally got rid of it altogether.  Adobe, I mentioned in the opening post;  I supposedly have the latest version, but FF says they've blocked beyond that...
 

Strange that your Event Viewer data reflects no System Errors.

 You mean, those classified as Microsoft Office Sessions aren't what's asked for? (On second glance, they simply are redundant entries of the Application errors...huh?)
 

...that pinball app is not liked by Windows.  I would uninstall it or uninstall/reinstall, at the least.

PINemHi_Leaderboard is a database, of player-submitted scores, that also acts as a front-end for selecting tables. While I don't remember any hanging apps with PeH_L, I'm sure I can chalk them up to either my typing-inept fingers hitting the wrong keys, or being caused by some other computer glitch. In five years plus, PeH_L works fine if I do things properly.
 

you don't define what "high CPU usage" is, in your mind.

Since 100% is so quickly reached, maybe I should refer to it as overly prolonged, to where it halts or restricts scrolling, link response, deleting of read emails, etc. Having to wait while the page/site loads up is one thing, but instances like the half-hour-plus that I mentioned before are too much---and all too common.

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 09:32 PM

Im the other way around, im a speed machine on a keyboard is you don't mind slop spelling and grammar with a side order or internet slang, and my firefox is the same way, just locks up all over the place with max cpu use,min it douse that i can't do anything but wait or close it and restart.

 

I remember using a way older version of fox some time ago and i didn't have the problems i have now, if a clean reinstall of fox with no plug-ins "just to test" dousen't fix the problem at my end ill go to a different / older version of fox and consider fox 51 a epic fail.

 

And if you want to get fast on a keyboard GSG use IRC and or old online games were its keyboard only to chat, that will get you in shape, my self iv bin doing that topic for more years then i want to remember and it saddens me that all the kids now are using voice over ip only in games, in my day it was all keyboard only.



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Posted 06 February 2017 - 06:41 AM

You know your cpu is trash by the way... http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Pentium_D/960.html costs like $5 and from my research should run on your motherboard chipset, though you might need a bios update and id double check to make shore the motherboard supports be before going there...ill trade you for a beer...you should all so see the complete system i can get of late for like $60 used.

A 35% increase in clock speed, plus an extra core...sounds good from my tinkerer's viewpoint, IF I keep this rig for a backup after buying the upgrade I've been threatening to get for about five years---my choices are to buy a motherboard, CPU, GFX card and OS, stuff them into my existing case---or get a refurbished desktop with OS included (HP Pavilion from Microcenter or somewhere) and add a GTX1050Ti for a total of about $500. Should last until Checkout Time...
 
I mentioned, opening post #11, Team Viewer being installed; I think the main reason was to try and find the correct driver for flashing bios...not absolutely sure of the board's I.D. I remember seeing 1.1 on the PCB, but maybe not the -M7 following 661FX ...
 
Surfing has usually been okay, since I hardly ever open more than two FF searches at once, but as a retired TV freak being asked to choose between concurrent shows I am also a VCR freak. Since there aren't any VCRs nowadays (I bought a Toshiba combo, and a perfectly good DVD player is now back in its box rotting away) I have to catch missed shows on Amazon Video On Demand, who moved to Silverlight but kept Flash Player as an option...for a while. A few years later, the option is no more---and Silverlight won't install on XP (even though a Windows search seems to indicate successful download and installation). So, it's time to graduate ...
 

... you should not have twin fox exes as far as i know and i don't have that at my end with the same version of fox and their not the same process ID on your computer
 
what firewall you running, don't tell me default winxp firewall and i see as well you haven't done a lock down on your system, i see remote reg is running and it shouldn't be along with a pile of other stuff.

I don't think folders and files will show the process I.D. , and I believe there's only one Firefox.exe anyway'. I'm not aware of 'remote reg' (registry?) , or what's meant by 'lockdown', and yes (blush), the firewall is Windows
 

How about a lighter browser than Firefox? :)
 
There's a model of Flash Peak Slimjet just for XP users, download the installer & the correct version will be installed. Best of all, no ads, which eats into resources! :thumbsup:
 
http://www.slimjet.com/
 
At a minimum, take Slimjet for a spin & make the call yourself. :)

 A few years ago, I gave (I believe) Adblock Plus a try, and while it kept popups from doing so, it didn't stop the ads' loading times from stretching things out. Kind of like seeing "Now Playing"  on a black rectangle,,,no buffering spinner or anything...just 15 or 30 seconds of black. 
 

ill take it for a test spin at some point and see what happens but it sounds like its based on chrome if so ill pass and i don't want some of what it has, i don't use flash player or java script my self

 
 

...with the cpu op has whatever uses 4 gigs ram will choke on the cpu before it gets their in any case, so 2 gigs is still a good number for that system.

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As for OP high cpu use, well from my testing on a top of the line pentium4 cpu 3000mgz "i still deal with computers like that from time to time" and trying to watch a youtube, cpu use should be 115%, cpu buddy is using will run a youtube vid in flash player/html5 but probably at -50% or normal fps with cpu use at 100%, cpu hes using is really bottom of the barrel for this day and age.

The motherboard's memory controller is good for 3.2GB/s bandwidth, while the AGP8X interface is theoretically only good for 2.133GB/s, so will the real bottleneck please open wide?
 

Im the other way around, im a speed machine on a keyboard is you don't mind slop spelling and grammar with a side order or internet slang, and my firefox is the same way, just locks up all over the place with max cpu use,min it douse that i can't do anything but wait or close it and restart.
 
I remember using a way older version of fox some time ago and i didn't have the problems i have now, if a clean reinstall of fox with no plug-ins "just to test" dousen't fix the problem at my end ill go to a different / older version of fox and consider fox 51 a epic fail.
 
And if you want to get fast on a keyboard GSG use IRC and or old online games were its keyboard only to chat, that will get you in shape, my self iv bin doing that topic for more years then i want to remember and it saddens me that all the kids now are using voice over ip only in games, in my day it was all keyboard only.


Aha! Process EXPLORER! Five or six years ago I downloaded the entire SysInternals suite, but it was all over my head and after a harddrive failure, I didn't bother transferring it/them, and forgot the name of Process Monitor's partner.

My poor typing skills stem partly from not having pursued it after eighth grade, and partly from the effects of a mild, blood-pressure induced stroke in Sept '98. When most people type, they look at either the text or the screen...I look down at the keyboard to make sure my fingers land in the right spots, and still often manage to miss. Then comes the proof reading/spellcheck...then the re-write as I try to recover the idea I thought I had conveyed effectively. So, I doubt that anything will get me fast on a keyboard.....

 

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 08:34 AM

Well in my part of the world for use box this is the hot spot in the city were i live, theirs like 10 stores all on one street all for used computers in a industrial complex.

 

its nuts really and for like $60 + tax or so you could have something good to go in Canadian dalliers that would smoke the system your using now everywhere, more then that my self i could upgrade the hdd to a 1tb or something, get a used video card for cheap used, seen top of the line geforce 8 video cards go for like $10~$20 to give you an idea of prices or about as good from ATI for the same price, upgrade the sound card for like $20 "sound blaster something or other" and your good to go, just reuse the monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers/head phones for the rest. all in all i could one up your system for like $150 Canadian in a big way as well for people that are not gamers i recommend Linux mint only because the GUI is like windows and its well known and supported and is close to impossible to hack, in any case all the used computers from this place come with win7 64bit something or other installed.

 

 

To give you an idea of what prices are for full computers for basic use in my part of the world heres some links, add a little more to em "video/sound/hdd" and you have a good retro gaming box or basic internet computer for dirt cheap, if you don't mind using dell/hp/ibm and the like computers that is meaning lame bios options and no overclocking.

 

http://pcdepotliquidation.com/

 

http://www.encandepot.com/

 

Sorry to hear about your disability, i have one too in a way.

 

My self like i was saying im middle aged and have bin doing the computer thing since apple II computers, i don't even look at my keyboard when im typing, all you hear when im going on a keyboard is someone spazing on keys like a machine with both hands, i can be look at a piece of paper on one side and typing on the other with out looking at keys, sadly when it comes to spelling and grammar i never finished high school.

 

I passed on all other topics when it came to high school but sadly in my part of the world not only do you have to have grade 11 "max level Canada high school" for spelling in english but in my part of the world you have to be able to do it in french as well for your high school leaving certificate and i couldn't even pull it off in english never mind in french too so i never 100% passed my last grade of high school.

 

When it comes to spelling in french im a total zero.

 

Though i really don't consider it a disability because when it comes to logic/math i score high, done IQ testing in the past and i can pull off 140IQ as long as spelling and grammar aren't part of the test.

 

By the way on the firewall topic download/install this if you would be so kind,default winxp firewall is a joke, and only using it is like asking to get hacked.

 

http://filehippo.com/download_sunbelt_personal_firewall/

 

On the Firefox topic you do a full reinstall yet ?



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Posted 07 February 2017 - 04:29 AM

 

its nuts really and for like $60 + tax or so you could have something good to go in Canadian dalliers that would smoke the system your using now everywhere

 

Yes, I've found some great deals on eBay in the US, though I'll first check the seller's reputation, and won't purchase w/out a warranty, preferably a year. This can often be extended to two years at a low cost on eBay easily (or though SquareTrade, providing the eBay listing number). Still have a IBM ThinkPad T42, running XP well, after just last week purchasing a 2.0Ghz CPU for it, that solved it from spiking at 100% all the time, and mine's 2GB also.

 

Am updating Windows 7 as I'm typing this post on a nice Dell PC found there for only $29 (just dropped in a AMD Athlon II x4 630 that has been sitting), shipped with a blank drive, though a Vista Business COA was on the side. That meant that at the time, I could use my Dell XP Pro SP2 media on hand from another computer, via downgrade rights. Not meant to be confused with a recovery disc set, this is just a green Dell branded XP Pro reinstall CD. XP Pro activated & validated perfectly, and until just over 6 months after EOL, was still running it, then later boxed the PC for over a year until yesterday. :)

 

Had Windows 10 on it before when in Preview & even a month after activation, most likely will upgrade to the OS again, because Microsoft has made it super hard on Windows 7 users to upgrade, am using up to 7GB out of the installed 8GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM in doing so. I could had installed/updated 3 XP boxes by now, and am only halfway through. :P

 

Just want to see how much juice this AMD quad uses at 95W & break in the Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste for 24 hours & rest for 24 (3 cycles of each) with Prime95, if not too much, will drop a 1GB GDDR5 Dell AMD 7570 Radeon GPU back in. :)

 

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