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Choosing GPU, CPU and help with RAID


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#16 Drillingmachine

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 01:37 PM

I have proved many times that upgrading i3 to i5/i7 makes no sense. It's much cheaper option to buy i5/i7 outright rather than upgrading from i3. So in reality that "upgrade path" is not upgrade but waste of money. Even buying new motherboard is better option than upgrading frm i3 to i5/i7.

Smoke more weed bro, ok so you start with a $75 i3 cpu then wait 10 years or less for a i7 top of the line to become $100 or less = not a good idea , better idea as far as your considered is start off and buy a $500 cpu umm ok whatever.


Except according to PC Partpicker, cheapest i3 is around $110 and i7-7700K around $340...
 

Another VERY big advantage with Ryzen is that it's basically System On Chip. So it's very possible for basic use to have motherboard with no chipset(!). Something Intel users can only dream on.

why would i wont everything on one chip, just means everything TDP wise on one chip, ill take the old stile chipset setup my self as well putting everything in one chip locks out 3rd party's from doing what they want with the cpu with their chipsets, as well AMD was the first to go memory controller in the cpu "massive problems followed" with the k8 line and the 775 cpus setups didn't, guess what happened, the 775 cpus still spank anything AMD has to offer for gaming and their getting near the 10 year mark.
 
You right about the SSD though drill, why i don't care about the topic much.


In case you don't know, chipsets are made using older (or very old) manufacturing process vs CPU's. For example Intel's newest Z270 is 22nm tech. Also data transfer consumes quite lot power. Motherboards without chipsets are cooler, cheaper and simpler.

I would like to know about "massive problems". It just took Intel 4 years to have integrated memory controller on their CPU's. Or basically 7 years because Athlon64 architecture was ready 2000.

Phenom II is better than any LGA775 part on gaming, partly because of integrated memory controller.

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 02:25 PM

Their ya Go Intel I3 cpu for $65, only difference with this chip vs a i3 is 1meg of cash ram besides that its a i3, shame its not possible to overclock it cus if you could it be running at like close to 5000mgz, and ya your right the highest price i7 for  socket 1151 is about $400 + tax, in my part of the world depending were you buy it with tax you could end up paying $500+

 

And as we both know $1000 Intel cpus are out their if you want em just not for 1151

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117743&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

As for Athlon64 cpus and massive memory problems topic, i have one and a gamer board, it uses ddr1 ram and i have like 50 sticks of ddr1 in stock, all known to be good and tested all kinds of makes /  models / brands / speeds / timings etc, when trying to use em with a Athlon64 90% of all memory sticks don't work or if they work they work only by the self's, min you try and use more then one stick of ram nothing works.

 

This is funny, fx 4300 "your cpu 4 core version" vs a dark age 775 socket q6600 "that can be overclocked +1000mgz" with the memory controller in the chipset

 

4000mgz AMD cpu vs a 2400mgz Intel, the AMD cpu all most loses.

 

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/554/AMD_FX-Series_FX-4300_vs_Intel_Core_2_Quad_Q6600.html#bench


Edited by shadow_647, 05 February 2017 - 02:27 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 03:49 PM

Their ya Go Intel I3 cpu for $65, only difference with this chip vs a i3 is 1meg of cash ram besides that its a i3, shame its not possible to overclock it cus if you could it be running at like close to 5000mgz, and ya your right the highest price i7 for  socket 1151 is about $400 + tax, in my part of the world depending were you buy it with tax you could end up paying $500+
 
And as we both know $1000 Intel cpus are out their if you want em just not for 1151
 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117743&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=


That's Pentium, not i3. It also misses AVX.
 

As for Athlon64 cpus and massive memory problems topic, i have one and a gamer board, it uses ddr1 ram and i have like 50 sticks of ddr1 in stock, all known to be good and tested all kinds of makes /  models / brands / speeds / timings etc, when trying to use em with a Athlon64 90% of all memory sticks don't work or if they work they work only by the self's, min you try and use more then one stick of ram nothing works.


Perhaps your CPU is broken?
 

This is funny, fx 4300 "your cpu 4 core version" vs a dark age 775 socket q6600 "that can be overclocked +1000mgz" with the memory controller in the chipset
 
4000mgz AMD cpu vs a 2400mgz Intel, the AMD cpu all most loses.
 
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/554/AMD_FX-Series_FX-4300_vs_Intel_Core_2_Quad_Q6600.html#bench


I see AMD losing only on Super PI and Sandra.

Edited by Drillingmachine, 05 February 2017 - 03:49 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 06:14 PM

That's Pentium, not i3. It also misses AVX.

 

Ok i stand corrected its -1meg cash ram and no AVX vs a true i3 , its still a cheap i3 more or less, if only it overclocked then it be killer for the price.

Who cares about AVX anyways, doubt it changes anything for games

 

Perhaps your CPU is broken?

 

lol ya i think so, got it out of the trash and unless its underclocked like 20% and you go nuts with bios settings to try and make the computer as stable as possible the computer just powers off every 5 min and or its just problem city :D

 

That probably explains the memory problems too, need a fresh chip for testing but sadly its hard to come by the decent socket 939 cpus.

 

I see AMD losing only on Super PI and Sandra.

 

ya well the cpu is like 10 years old and only running at 2400mgz , what do you think happens when you brake out a q9550s and punch it up to 3800mgz and or lower the FX cpu to 2400mgz so its even vs the q6600 at 2400mgz, be a even fight then with even mgz vs mgz clock for clock, FX 4300 is running at like 4000mgz vs a 2400mgz cpu and at 2400mgz the q6600 douse a good job of fighting back considering what it is and how old it is and if you wanted the q6600 can overclock 1000mgz or so depending on how aggressive you want to become with your motherboards VRM, cpu volts and cpu cooling.

 

considering the q6600 is running at all most -50% mgz that dousen't make the AMD AM3+ FX cpu look good for a chip running at 4000mgz.

 

Some of the benchmarks use different video cards too so they shouldn't even be listed seeing as the numbers mean nothing.



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 06:25 PM

Guys for the sake of the OP can we get back in topic? i know it's fun to discuss and even sometimes politely argue points about hardware but I feel we have taken this thread off track. I'm guilty of that as well. Lets see if we can get the OP back here and get his situation resolved etc.



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 09:42 PM

lol same, all good i had my chat , ok back on topic, lots has bin siad so far in any case, lets wait and see if op comes back.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 10:27 AM

Last post/activity by OP was 3 Feb.

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 03:09 PM

Well... I guess the "OP" is me, but I dunno  :mellow: 

I was reading the chat whole time, but on my phone not looged in  :wink: 

After all the reading, I got to a conclusion: Well, I want to spend less on my PC. I mean maybe not like half of the money, but like 150$-200$ less.

 

My main ideas to spend less were these changes:
(Warning: Silentium PC is a Polish brand, quite popular here. I don't know if it's known anywhere else. If you know it personally tell me if you think it's worth attention)

GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB ---> AMD Radeon RX 480 Gaming X 8GB (About 80$ less)

Be Quiet! Dark Rock PRO 3 ---> SilentiumPC Fortis 3 (About 45$ less)

Be Quiet! Pure Power 9 ---> SilentiumPC Supremo L2 Gold (About 25$ less)

The rest of the build:
Case - Fractal Design Define R5

RAM - Corsair Vengeance 2x 8GB 3000MHz
Core - i5-7600
Hard Drive - Toshiba P300 1TB HDD

Hard Drive - Toshiba 256GB SSD

Important question: What chipset will be best for an i5-7600? Z270? Z270M? Z170? maybe some kind of B or H? I don't get the diffrence between any of them to be honest.
I was thinking about:
- MSI Z170A Gaming A3
- MSI Z270 Tomahawk
- Gigabyte GA-Z170-Gaming-K3
 

I wanted to pick 550W Supremo L2, but is it enough for AMD GPU?

RX 480 or GTX 1060? A fight with no end? Any tips?  :mellow:


Edited by adi022000, 09 February 2017 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 03:27 PM

Silentium PC PSU's are OK. For GPU I recommend RX 480.

As Ryzen is launched in less than a month, waiting for it is very highly recommended.

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 03:49 PM

Do you know anything about SIlentiumPC Coolers? :/

 

It has more airflow and less power consumption, but Be Quiet has 300 000h of lifetime when SilentiumPC has only 50 000h



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:19 PM

Important question: What chipset will be best for an i5-7600? Z270? Z270M? Z170? maybe some kind of B or H? I don't get the diffrence between any of them to be honest.

 

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2099-intel-chipset-comparison-z170-h170-h110

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z270-vs-Z170-What-is-the-Difference-877/

 

Ryzen is launched in less than a month, waiting for it is very highly recommended.

 

Agreed.

 

Do you know anything about SIlentiumPC Coolers? :/

 

 

Saying im thinking about sllentium cooler isn't saying much, what modle of the cooler we talking about.?



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 01:46 AM

Do you know anything about SIlentiumPC Coolers? :/
 
It has more airflow and less power consumption, but Be Quiet has 300 000h of lifetime when SilentiumPC has only 50 000h


Those lifetimes are purely estimations. Basically you can put any number there and it's equally good as any other number because there is no such thing measurable as "cooler lifetime". 300 000h is 35 years 24/7 use btw :devil:


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 01:49 AM

SilentiumPC Fortis 3. Isn,t it noisy or something?

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 04:44 AM

It's OK, not noisy.



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 07:24 AM

Looking at this with a cpu that's 90TDP used in the test and they overclock some as well you should be fine on your cpu at stock speed 65TDP, numbers should be golden really to the point that its all most overkill, thing is when air coolers get that big my self i would move on to liquid cooling but that's just me, as well you probably don't even need a cooler that beef.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/SilentiumPC/Fortis_3_HE1425/6.html

 

Not saying use the stock Intel cooler, everyone that knows me on this forum knows im not a fan of stock coolers that come with cpus but you could go a little smaller on the cooler if you wanted just so it dousen't take over so much space, mostly i don't like that once installed you can't get to the ram any more.

 

Noise shouldn't be a problem with that cooler, with how beef it is vs your cpu TDP "heat" you won't need the fan on max in any case.

 

More info on chip-sets for Intel, you know they really all seems to suck in my mind and most you can't even overclock on.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets






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