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If you want privacy you need to run Linux - ComputerWorld


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#1 JohnC_21

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:56 PM

 
Windows is unsafe by design, and macOS isn’t a lot better

 

I recently bashed Windows for being too darn snoopy, but you know what? It’s not just Windows. Ever since Yosemite came out, Apple’s macOS has been just as untrustworthy. As for Chrome OS, Android and iOS, come on! They’re all built around cloud services; by design, they share everything you do with third-party services. What’s the answer? Desktop Linux.

With President Trump considering asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit and Jeff Sessions, Trump’s attorney general pick, wanting cryptographic back doors, I think privacy is more important than ever.

 

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I am not sure linux would even solve the problem if Trump's AG wants a backdoor on everything. For true privacy you need to stay offline.

 

Better get Veracyrpt while you still can. 

 



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:47 PM

There is no privacy anywhere anymore and hasn't been any for quite sometime now.

Even if one stays off-line there isn't any privacy as access by certain entities is easily accomplished.

 

Drivers license / taxes / insurance / banking / credit and so on and so on nobody is secret anymore.

 

Why worry unless you are doing something you shouldn't be doing.

Only the paranoid are worried.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 04:58 PM

Interesting thread.

I agree whole-heartedly. In addition to Toolman's comment, I will add Social Security numbers, which, in the beginning, were NOT for purposes of general ID, but only used for the SS agency ID. And that was law. I don't know if it is still true, but as of 10 years ago I believe it was still law. Tell that to the bank, insurance or other entities who will not service you unless you provide the SS number. Two years ago I had a stupid independent agency refuse to quote me on my homeowner's insurance unless I gave them my SS number. I told the to take a walk.

There is no such thing as "off the grid" any more.

And, then there are the PREF and NID cookies on your browser that most know nothing of, but can be used by the NSA to track and hack into any computer that has them.

And the list goes on.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 05:31 PM

I believe in using Linux just because it works better than Windows but I don't feel it's anymore private.

 

I just try and be cautious as what I do on-line or say over my android cell phone as I owe that to my self.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:45 PM

I think people are mixing up two variations of "privacy" 

 

Online, and physical. 

 

i do believe " off the grid" is still viable. then again, I'm an IT auditor so my opinion is biased to a point. 

 

If you have ANY social media, you are already "screwed" 

 

cookies can be deleted if one knows the process. 

 

the one thing that removes privacy is people. people talk. 

 

 

for example: if i were "off the grid" for 5 years, meaning, friends thought i died, or having no social media( INCLUDING AN EMAIL), no friends, no family. the only thing that would screw me over is if i told someone. Everyone has a weakness, and as the NSA, CIA, SIS, etc. know, it's relationships. be it platonic or not. Relationships could be " the death of you" if you will. 

 

 

 

I believe online privacy and physical privacy are two very different things. 

 

This is EXCLUDING projects like Echelon and the like. 


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 03:13 AM

Privacy slowly dwindles down because of cost-saving technology obfuscation.  A new feature here, a new module there.  To save cost, companies use existing source code that they don't know much about, and make it their own so it's easier to market.  Welcome to GENERATION V, V for Vulnerabilities.



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 09:58 PM

Nice Topic John :thumbup2: ... and the Computerworld article makes for a good read.

 

Only thing I find a little funny about it is that at one point, the author says:

 

 

If you post your every thought on Facebook, even Tails you can’t give you any real privacy to speak of.

 

but then at the bottom of the article, the magazine production team have:

 

 

To express your thoughts on Computerworld content, visit Computerworld's Facebook page, LinkedIn page and Twitter stream.

 

??? :hysterical: :hysterical:

 

What chance do we have?

 

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 10:08 PM

 

I am not sure linux would even solve the problem if Trump's AG wants a backdoor on everything.

He might be able to dictate what he wants in the USA and to US companies like Microsoft or Apple but when it comes to Linux he has no chance especially with distros developed outside the USA, like Puppy Linux developed by an Australian.

 

Anybody who who is familiar with the Linux community knows we wont stand for this, So try and backdoor Linux all you like we will quickly develop a patch and share it on forums like this, or we just wont use a distro that was developed in the USA.

 

Good luck with that Mr President.


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 03:16 PM

 

 

I am not sure linux would even solve the problem if Trump's AG wants a backdoor on everything.

He might be able to dictate what he wants in the USA and to US companies like Microsoft or Apple but when it comes to Linux he has no chance especially with distros developed outside the USA, like Puppy Linux developed by an Australian.

 

Anybody who who is familiar with the Linux community knows we wont stand for this, So try and backdoor Linux all you like we will quickly develop a patch and share it on forums like this, or we just wont use a distro that was developed in the USA.

 

Good luck with that Mr President.

What can one add to a testimonial like that...?? (And it's absolutely true; you only have to look at some of the community's achievements).

 

Take our very own iguleder (one of the Puppy 'Woof-CE' team). Chrome has started being awkward again, with the release of Chrome 56....and refusing to run as /root, even with our usual workarounds in place. I've just been pointed to a 'workaround' from about 6 years ago, where Iggy actually 'hacked' into the Chrome binary itself....and, using ptrace, and a couple of other specialist command-line tools (one of which he developed himself!), discovered the very process where Chrome identifies the user. (0=root, 1=any other user.)

 

He then devised a fake 'system-call' process, and even wrote his own libxxxxx.so module to support it. This was back in the days of Chrome 22-26. It worked perfectly then, and it still works perfectly in the brand-new Chrome builds I just assembled today.

 

And Iggy knocked that up during the course of a coffee-break, apparently..! (He's one of these rare individuals who can read or write, even think, in Python, Ruby, Perl, you name it, as easily as most of us do in English). Can you honestly see something getting developed that quick with M$ or Apple?

 

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I doubt our lot would let such a 'backdoor' stand for any longer than it would take to whip something up to plug the hole. Judging by the Woof team's skills, that wouldn't be very long at all; a matter of hours, maybe.

 

I've always been a great believer in 'What man can invent, man can circumvent.' Trump's AG is going to have to accept that whoever is coerced into developing such a backdoor for the US gov't, there's at least one (if not many more) individuals out there who can just as easily slam it shut again, in his face. And Trump can re-start as many of the CIA 'black-ops' stations as he likes.....you'll never track down every single one of them. We all know there's a lot of underground stuff going on out there; the media only ever presents things from the 'official' POV.....

 

Go, Linux..!!!!! (And the Puppy community, naturally...)

 

 

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 01:58 AM

As far as I know there are currently no active viruses for Linux in the wild. Linux antivirus software will scan for Windows malware and delete it. It isn’t protecting your Linux system  it’s protecting  Windows computers.

 

 

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And if anybody says they use antivirus on Linux to remove stuff from their browser in Linux I will be very upset. Looking at 1 particular member now.


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:08 PM

This is a false sense of security.  Just reading the Bleeping Computer headlines is enough to convince me that Linux is equaly vulnerable to malware, perhaps not as often as Windows, but that is irrelevant.  Once you are down, you are down.



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:20 PM

@Dodolso:  Amen!!

 

Anyone who believes that Linux is not vulnerable to all the "cooties" that can be released on other platforms should take a look at the thread entitled, Interesting article on Linus Torvalds/Linux in the Washington Post, that I started on this very forum way back in November 2015.  The article in the Washington Post is quite enlightening.  It may be attacked less frequently at the moment, but as its popularity, and that of its direct derivatives increases exponentially, so will it's status as a "tempting target."

 

Those who believe in Invulnerable Linux are living in a fool's paradise and on borrowed time.  It doesn't matter if a patch or fix comes a mere three nanoseconds after your world has been reduced to a metaphorical smoldering heap.


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:52 PM

Linux is equaly vulnerable to malware......

 

The number of infections which present in the Linux forum are in direct dispute with that statement.

 

and certainly does not gel with this one either.....

far as I know there are currently no active viruses for Linux in the wild. Linux antivirus software will scan for Windows malware and delete it. It isn’t protecting your Linux system  it’s protecting  Windows computers.

 

 

 


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:33 PM

 

Versions of Linux have proved vulnerable to serious bugs in recent years.

 

True, But kernel exploits are not Malware.

 

I still believe in following best security practices, such as: Hardening your operating system, using restrictive permissions, hardening your services, running services in a sandbox, deploying intrusion prevention systems, etc.

 

It also depends on the distro you use and how its installed or not installed.

 

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I challenge anybody to infect Puppy Linux booting from a Live CD with a save file also burned to CD then the disk is finalized ( closed off cant be written to again ).


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:54 PM

I challenge anybody to infect Puppy Linux booting from a Live CD with a save file also burned to CD then the disk is finalized ( closed off cant be written to again ).

 

 

Yep. That'd be a bloody good trick if you could manage it..!

 

(That's got 'em thinking. Now they're all scratching their heads, trying to figure out how you could do it...)

 

You could infect Pup, via the browser, sure. But power-off, and *poof*..! It's all gone. (*Including the malware...*)  :thumbup2:

 

Self-destructing cookies? Hah! Puppy on LiveCD is a self-destructing OS..!! (How's that for the ultimate in security?)  :lol:

 

The big bad nasty bugs disappear into thin air.....along with any possible problems they might be about to cause.

 

Puppy ROOLZ! (Yay!)

 

 

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