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MRG Effitas Online Banking Browser Security Certification


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#1 pcowner

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 11:17 PM

Hello group,

 

I came across this company, yet another one that tests security programs (besides, www.av-test.org, www.av-comparatives.org) and here is what their tests revealed:

 

https://www.mrg-effitas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/MRG_Effitas_Online_Banking_Certification_Q3_2016.pdf

MRG Effitas Online Banking Browser Security Certification for Q3 2016 is awarded to the following products:

Kaspersky Internet Security
Quarri POQ
SurfRight HitmanPro
.Alert
Symantec Norton Security
Watchdog
Online Security Pro
Webroot SecureAnywhere
Zemana AntiLogger

 

Can this company be trusted, I don't see Malwarebytes, Emsisoft, or Bitdefender among the top performers ? (Webroot kind of stands out)


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 11:49 PM

The tests were only on financial malware (Mostly ZeuS clones) and only these AV softwares were tested.

 

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It's picking horses for courses. There's a much broader spectrum of nastiness out there that won't necessarily empty out your bank account, but still very unpleasant.

 

The company is probably accurate with the malware they tested on the AV software they tested (only 77 samples mostly the same family), so yes in that sense you can trust it. But you need to understand in perspective that perhaps half a million malware samples are released into the wild daily, with countless variants.

 

That's why no-one's word on the subject is gospel, because no one could possibly test it all, but you can read as much as possible from various sources to get a good picture of what you can do to protect your machines.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 12:04 AM

"It's picking horses for courses." That is a good one :)

 

I'm trying to read on this topic as much as possible (besides following another thread on bogleheads.org--finance related), but there is WAY too many resources (I used to "religiously listen to Steve Gibson, grc.com), kind of leaves you (me) with this dear in the headlights look. 

 

That's why many thanks to you guys in this forum to filter out all the info.



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Posted 16 January 2017 - 12:14 AM

I've head a number of people speak about their favorite software,

TsVk!, which ones do you run?

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 12:17 AM

Yeah the self declared "security expert" and "guru" Steve Gibson does indeed like to talk, shamelessly. There's mixed opinions on what he actually says though.

 

I use Kaspersky on my domain, but that is backed up by a very heavy group policy that provides many other security features.

 

There's a lot of good info on this site and many members have a lot of real experience with advising people searching for protection for their systems.

 

Modern protection software systems these days on Windows are commonly multi tiered with anti-malware as well as anti-virus, even anti-ransomware being more and more common.

 

I'm sure you could attract more information to this thread or start another, if that is the information you are really after.



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Posted 16 January 2017 - 12:31 AM

The more opinions (from people with real world experience), the better.



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Posted 16 January 2017 - 08:13 AM

...I came across this company, yet another one that tests security programs (besides, www.av-test.org, www.av-comparatives.org).

MRG-Effitas has been around since 2011. In addition to them and AV-Test and AV-Comparatives...there is also Virus Bulletin Comparative Tests, NSS Labs Consumer Anti-Malware Products Group Test Report, Anti-Malware Test Lab.
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Posted 16 January 2017 - 12:36 PM

Ahh quiteman, I was hoping to get your input as well. Thank you for the additional resources.

 

Which company's results do you weight in more, all of them are pretty different, but not by much.  Anti-Malware Test Lab pretty outdated, 2012-2013. NSS Labs seems to be meant for enterprises with their Cyber Advanced Warning System (CAWS) . Have you tried it?

 

Also a bit out of topic, do you know about and have you tried Tweaking.com-Windows Repair, especially their optimization features ? Their optimizer seemed to improve pretty nicely my Win 10 after I installed BD and Malwarebyes.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 07:03 PM

These kinds of comparative testing results will vary depending on a variety of factors to include but not limited to who conducted the testing, what they were testing for (type of threats, attack vectors, exploits), what versions of anti-virus software was tested, what type of scanning engine was used, and the ability to clean or repair. There are no universally predefined set of standards or criteria for testing which means each test will yield different results. As such, you need to look for detailed information about how the tests were conducted, the procedures used, objectivity and data results. Read Anti-Malware Testing Standards Organization: AMTSO Fundamental Principles of Testing.

Each security vendor uses their own testing/analysis methodology to identify various types of malware so the detection results are not always the same.

Some of the testing criteria and standards may even be misleading.

...for some unknown reason...the renowned German test lab AV-TEST has quietly (there was no warning) modified its certification process. The changes mean that the certificates produced by the new rules are, to put it mildly, pretty useless for evaluating the merits of different AV products...With AV-TEST’s new certification standards, the onus is on the user to carefully investigate the actual results of each individual test…they may find that a product that blocked 99.9% of attacks has the same “certification” as a product that only blocked 55%.

Comparative testing: A bit of background for the uninitiated

 

Further, if you're dealing with zero-day malware it's unlikely the anti-virus testing is going to detect anything. It takes time for new malware to be reported, samples collected, analyzed, and tested by anti-virus/anti-malware researchers before they can add a new threat to database definitions.

 

As for Tweaking.com-Windows Repair...it is fine to use as long as you stay away from any optimization features.

There are numerous programs which purport to improve system performance, make repairs and tune up a computer. Many of them include such features as a registry cleaner, registry optimizer, disk optimizer, etc. Some of these programs even incorporate optimization and registry cleaning features alongside anti-malware capabilities. These registry cleaners and optimizers claim to speed up your computer by finding and removing orphaned and corrupt registry entries that are responsible for slowing down system performance. There is no statistical evidence to back such claims.




Bleeping Computer DOES NOT recommend the use of registry cleaners/optimizers for several reasons.

Why you should not use Registry Cleaners and Optimization Tools


Be sure to read Microsoft's support policy for the use of registry cleaning utilities in that topic...Microsoft does not support the use of registry cleaners.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 10:51 PM

Great, and you would think these third party testers cover your behind. Trust no one. I've head this.

That's why, the forums such as this one is the perfect place to hash out different opinions, where anyone can voice his opinion and would be supported or argued towards a different opinion.



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Posted 17 January 2017 - 05:30 AM

Yes all opinions are welcome.
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