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Activation and Dial-Up Modem Installation


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#1 blub

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:47 AM

I have what is potentially an unusual problem that I need help with.

I was given a new computer with Windows 10 for Christmas. I hadn't intended to buy a new computer until I'm able to get off of dial-up internet. I don't know how long I'll be stuck with dial-up, could be months to years as the FIOS installation keeps getting held up.

Anyway... The new computer didn't come with a modem, so I have to buy one. I plan on going with an internal modem (PCI-E), but may have to settle for a USB modem. Shouldn't I turn on the computer and test it out before installing the internal modem? If I do that, will that interfere with the Windows 10 activation? I'm assuming I would need to activate Windows, right? So do I need to activate it the first time I turn it on?

I probably wouldn't ask but I know how Microsoft is - too many uptight ridiculous rules. Also, will there be any other activation issues with me installing an internal modem? I'm not sure if this type of hardware change would cause problems or not. I'm not even clear if I get a product key or not.

I anticipate having problems anyway because of the new Windows design. I'm jumping from Windows XP to 10. I've used Windows 7 at a relative's house, but that's more like XP. I briefly used Windows 8 on my cousin's laptop to install some security measures and that was crazy confusing. I'm sure I'll be fussing and cussing for weeks, if not months.

 

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help. It's difficult to to keep up with technology when you're stuck on dial-up.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:34 PM

Hi,

 

You don't provide information about the computer brand and model but unless it is a custom build Windows 10 will be already activated for sure.

 

Installing a new modem doesn't affect the windows activation. Careful about opening the machine to install a PCI-E card in some cases this can void the machine warranty! make sure you confirm with the manufacture of store where you purchase the machine.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:45 PM

Guys, Gals, is it possible to temporarily use a usb-connected dial up modem -- at least until Windows 10 activation is successful?


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:03 PM

Guys, Gals, is it possible to temporarily use a usb-connected dial up modem -- at least until Windows 10 activation is successful?

 

After installing Windows it works for 30 days then it needs activation and until activated some functions will not work. During the trial period its possible to install new hardware, after the 30 days I'm not sure Windows 10 will accept that!

 

Don't forget that at any time you can call Microsoft and activate Windows by phone.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:18 PM

The computer is a Lenovo from Best Buy. I'm not sure why that brand was selected, is it supposed to be better than HP or Dell?

That's a good point about the warranty and PCI-E modem. As it is, Best Buy's holiday return deadline is Jan 15 and I haven't even taken the computer out of the box. While the computer is a nice and very unexpected gift, it's kind of a hassle. I have to find someplace safe (I have pets) to move my current computer so that I can still use it since I won't have internet on the new computer for a while. So that's going to be a pain in the rear.

So basically, are you all saying that because the computer came from Best Buy, that Windows 10 is already activated? I still remember having to activate XP when I bought an HP computer back in '02 or '03.

I think I saw some contact info for Lenovo. I guess I'll try emailing or calling them.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:24 PM

The computer is a Lenovo from Best Buy. I'm not sure why that brand was selected, is it supposed to be better than HP or Dell?

That's a good point about the warranty and PCI-E modem. As it is, Best Buy's holiday return deadline is Jan 15 and I haven't even taken the computer out of the box. While the computer is a nice and very unexpected gift, it's kind of a hassle. I have to find someplace safe (I have pets) to move my current computer so that I can still use it since I won't have internet on the new computer for a while. So that's going to be a pain in the rear.

So basically, are you all saying that because the computer came from Best Buy, that Windows 10 is already activated?

 

Yes computers from big brands like Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc. are auto activated. The activation scheme used on XP and newer Windows are completely different now they are based on hardware that's why its already activated.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 03:27 AM

You probably want to turn off automatic updates:

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/stop-windows-10-from-automatically-updating-your-pc/

How is it btw to surf the web on dialup these days? You probably should install AdBlock to keep advertisements from loading..

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:05 AM

You probably want to turn off automatic updates:
https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/stop-windows-10-from-automatically-updating-your-pc/
How is it btw to surf the web on dialup these days? You probably should install AdBlock to keep advertisements from loading..

Adding to Zopc's advice, you can "manually" choose to download and install 5 updates at a time.  Doesn't matter how long that takes, just keep doing 5 or so at a time until all is current.  That's what I did when I had dial-up.  AdBlock and uBlock Origin [the simplified self-running version] -- either one will serve you well.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:14 AM

Opera turbo might help too. It routes your browsing through
Opera servers and compresses the data for faster browsing..

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:04 AM

Unless one has absolutely no ability to do so, I'd also suggest that if this is a laptop we're talking about that you take it with you when you're going to the library, McDonalds, etc., when you expect to be spending some time and allow updates to be applied when you're on WiFi there.

 

I'm also unclear as to whether dial-up in this context is really dial-up (which I know still exists, but is exceedingly rare these days) or DSL.  If we're talking even slow DSL it should still be fine to let Windows 10 do its usual thing.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:26 AM

Internal PCIe dialup modem - probably a desktop

 

If this is an OEM pre-installed with Windows 10 the computer is already activated. At least the key is embedded in firmware. On Windows 8 it's in the MSDM table and I assume Windows 10 puts it there also. Adding a USB modem will not alter activation. 

 

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/find-your-windows-10-product-key/

 

Right click Computer and select Properties. It will say if Windows is activated. 



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Posted 12 January 2017 - 02:31 AM

Unless one has absolutely no ability to do so, I'd also suggest that if this is a laptop we're talking about that you take it with you when you're going to the library, McDonalds, etc., when you expect to be spending some time and allow updates to be applied when you're on WiFi there.
 
I'm also unclear as to whether dial-up in this context is really dial-up (which I know still exists, but is exceedingly rare these days) or DSL.  If we're talking even slow DSL it should still be fine to let Windows 10 do its usual thing.


Aol, netzero, and earthlink are still around in US and according to one estimate months
ago, still have over million dial up users. The costs of satellite are often 10
times more than that of dial up. So there are still people using it.

On chrome you can throttle your browsing speed to dial up under developer
tools. It is still viable, I tried it. You just have to have adblocker.
Ofcourse you can not stream video etc.. But sites like reddit are ok..

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 02:13 PM

Zopc,

 

        I'm not arguing with the data you presented in any way.  That being said, one million users of anything when taken as a part of the number of computers connected to the internet is virtually statistically insignificant.

 

        I had one client located in Deerfield, VA, who was still using dial-up.  Around here satellite service prices have dropped pretty radically as alternatives have become available to even a small part of what used to be a captive market.

 

        I really have no idea how long some of the comprehensive updates would take to download via true dial-up speeds, but it might be feasible to manually trigger a Windows Update immediately prior to retiring for the evening and hoping that the whole thing will have downloaded prior to your needing the phone again the next morning.  There's really not much other choice except to disable Windows Update by back-door means, which I would never recommend, particularly under Windows 10.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 02:45 PM

"...it might be feasible to manually trigger a Windows Update immediately prior to retiring for the evening and hoping that the whole thing will have downloaded prior to your needing the phone again the next morning..."  Adding to britechguy's good advice, set WU to notify when downloads [and installations] become available; then PickNChoose 5-10 downloads/installs at a time.  dc3 recommends chronological order; I've done that and group the like-WUs [for example the .Net Framework ones] together during my dial-up days.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 04:46 PM

The problem would arise when Windows does a major update in the 4GB range. That would take days on dialup. 






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