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The old "hal.dll" & "ntoskrnl.exe" BSOD issue...


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#1 GiANi

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 12:43 PM

First of all, hello and thank you for taking the time to read this.
 
The problem i am facing is a very delicate one, therefore i will do my best to give you every single detail you may need.
 
Long story short, this has been happening since the summer of 2015, and hasn't stopped even though i have made certain hardware changes, software changes, ran tests and so on...
 
Below i have provided three (just in case) links to the "minidump", my PC specifications (the relevant ones) and almost (don't think i forgot anything) everything i have tried so far.
(i thought i would try my luck by posting this because i'm tired of just reading about it on Google; some things work for others, some don't, etc., so i'm now trying my own, "personal" problem)
 
(NOTE: most of the times i will receive a blue screen, sometimes a dark screen, and rarely the PC will just freeze, the first one restarting my PC automatically and the next two needing me to restart as nothing else can be done)
 
 
 
Original .dmp "minidump" file   ->   http://www.filedropper.com/010517-7734-01
 
Archived .rar "minidump" file   ->   http://www.filedropper.com/010517-7734-01_1
 
Short .txt version of the "minidump" file   ->   http://www.filedropper.com/010517-7734-01_2
 
 
 
PC specs:
 
Case: Deepcool Kendomen Red, 5 x 120mm Red&Blue Led Installed Fans (very good wire management, air flow and air filters)
Motherboard: ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 (i know, probability of overheating VRM's, but it's not the case since temperatures are well within their normal values)
CPU: Hexa Core AMD FX-6300, 3500 MHz, 4100 MHz Turbo (thanks to the AMD Turbo option; i don't overclock)
CPU Cooler: ID-Cooling IS-40, 3 Heatpipes (so i'm not OCing and i replaced the stock cooler)
RAM: Kingston DDR3-1333 Dual Channel 2x8GB, CL9
GPU: AMD Radeon Windforce 2x OC R7 370, 2GB, 256-bit, GDDR5, DX12 (again, i don't overclock)
Hard Disk #1: Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Hard Disk #2: Western Digital Blue 640GB
SSD: Intenso 128GB SATA3
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Gold (i think it's 8 or 9 years old, BUT i did try a different PSU and still got BSODs)
(NOTE: the other PSU i tried was not new, but almost unused, so...)
Operating System: Windows 10 Enterprise 64-bit (meh...)
 
 
 
What i have tried so far (after countless months of searching on Google):
 
- reset the BIOS to its default settings
- totally replaced the RAM sticks with new, Dual Channel RAM (don't ask for "memtest+" as it's irrelevant)
- changed the RAM memory clock in BIOS from "Auto" to what they were designed for (667mhz 1333 in my case)
- set DRAM voltage from "Auto" to what they were designed for (1.50 in my case)
(changed "memory clock" and "voltage" separately, in case only one setting was the culprit, and then tried together)
 
- 5 hour GPU stress test using Unigine Heaven benchmark
- 5 hour GPU stress test using Unigine Valley benchmark
- 1 hour GPU stress test using Furmark
- 1 hour GPU stress test using AIDA64 Extreme
- 10 hour full PC stress test using AIDA64 Extreme (CPU, HDD, cache, FPU, GPU etc.)
 
- fully tested my PC for hours using both PCMark and 3DMark
- overall temperatures are more than ok
- changed thermal paste on both GPU and CPU (just in case)
- fully cleaned the PC (i always do that at least once a month anyway)
- cleaned the extension cord in which all power cables go, replaced the PC power cable and moved everything to other holes in the other half of the extension cord
 
- ran Prime95 on "Blend" for 12 hours (using certain tweaks to fully test the CPU and RAM)
- ran Prime95 on "Small FFT" for 12 hours (using certain tweaks to fully test the CPU and RAM)
(saw some tweaks somewhere that would change the settings to better test everything)
 
- disabled every sound driver except the one i was using (saw this somewhere)
- Computer > Properties > Advanced System Settings > Startup And Recovery > Disable Automatic Restart (again, saw it on some forum)
 
- disabled AMD C-State from BIOS
 
- completely formatted my PC and installed a new OS, namely W10 (was using W7 before)
 
- tried different BIOS versions (using the most appropriate method, flashing)
 
 
 
Thank you in advance for your responses, time and possibly help.

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:42 PM

Please run this report collecting tool so that we can provide a complete analysis: (from the pinned topic at the top of the forum)   http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/576314/blue-screen-of-death-bsod-posting-instructions-windows-10-81-8-7-vista/
FYI - I don't often use the Perfmon report, so if it doesn't work please just let me know.
NOTE:  On problem systems it can take up to 20 minutes for the log files to complete.  Please be patient and let it run.

If you still have problems with it running, there's an alternate tool here (direct download link):  https://github.com/blueelvis/BSOD-Inspector/releases/download/1.0.5/BSODInspector-1.0.5.exe

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Please zip up the (.ZIP) files - do not use .RAR or other compression utilities. 
.ZIP is the type file that can be uploaded to the forums.

 

These appear to be hardware errors - so start with these free diagnostics:  http://www.carrona.org/hwdiag.html

If you've run any of these tests within the last couple of days (to the extent that I've asked for) feel free to skip them and just post the results.

If it's been more than a couple of days (or to a different extent) please re-rerun them.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:32 PM

"If you've run any of these tests within the last couple of days (to the extent that I've asked for) feel free to skip them and just post the results."

 

I ran most of them, as i stated above, but some time ago, and all of them with good results, therefore i see no need to rerun most of them.

 

I will, however, check the few ones that i didn't try.

 

In any case, i have attached what you need and added some extra files that i think might help.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 06:21 AM

Your UEFI/BIOS (version P2.00) dates from 2015.  Please check at the manufacturer's website to see if there are any UEFI/BIOS updates available for your system.  If you are able to install the update through Windows (without booting from an external drive), then go ahead and update it.  WARNING - if the computer might shut down during this procedure, please don't do it, as this may physically damage the computer and prevent it from booting.
FYI - W8 and W10 communicate more with the UEFI/BIOS than previous versions of Windows, so it's important to ensure that the UEFI/BIOS is kept up to date (and that outdated UEFI/BIOS' may be the cause of some compatibility issues).

Only 3 Windows Update hotfixes installed.  Most build 14393 (1607) systems have more than this.  Please visit Windows Update and get ALL available Windows Updates.
The actual number is not important.  Rather it's important that you checked manually, installed any available updates, and didn't experience any errors when checking or updating.

 

D: drive only has about 4% free space, E: only 3%, and J: only 3%.  Windows likes 15% free space in order to perform stuff "behind the scenes" without adversely affecting the system's performance.  Please free up 15% on ALL hard drives (you can get away with 10% on larger drives and won't notice a large performance penalty).  Low free space can cause BSOD's - but the actual amount depends on the files being used by the system.

You have 4 hard drives.  I question the PSU at this point simply because that's a lot of hard drives (which makes me wonder about overall power draw, then number of components, and the overall power efficiency of the system - which decreases with age)

You have already tried another PSU, so this may not be an issue for you.

 

Daemon Tools (and Alcohol % software) are known to cause BSOD's on some Windows systems (mostly due to the sptd.sys driver, although I have seen both dtsoftbus01.sys and dtscsibus.sys blamed on several occasions).

Please un-install the program, then use the following free tool to ensure that the troublesome sptd.sys driver is removed from your system (pick the 32 or 64 bit system depending on your system's configuration):  New link (15 Aug 2012):  http://www.duplexsecure.com/downloads (pick the appropriate version for your system and select "Un-install" when you run it).
Alternate link:  http://www.disc-tools.com/download/sptd
Manual procedure here:  http://daemonpro-help.com/en/problems_and_solutions/registry_and_sptd_problems.html
NOTE:  The uninstaller may not find the SPTD.sys driver.  Don't worry about it, just let us know in your post.
NOTE2:  The latest version has an SPTD2.sys driver - the uninstaller is on the same page as the SPTD.sys driver - just download the version for W10!

MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner (along with EVGA Precision) are known to cause BSOD's in some Windows systems (it's driver is usually RTCore64.sys).  Please un-install them immediately!

If you're overclocking, please stop the overclock while we're troubleshooting.  Feel free to resume the overclock once the system has been stabilized.

The lone memory dump in the uploaded reports is a STOP 0x124.

Most often this is a hardware error, but it can also be due to compatibility problems or low-level driver issues.

More info on this error here:  http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x00000124

 

So, if the steps above don't stop the BSOD's, then finish up the diagnostics that we spoke about earlier.

If that doesn't show anything, then it's time to start with this procedure to isolate the problem hardware:  http://www.carrona.org/strpdown.html

 

Sound driver dates from 2012 - maybe try uninstalling all the sound software, then physically remove the sound card from the system (or disable in the BIOS/UEFI) to be sure it's not the problem.

This is only a temporary thing to try - not a permanent solution

 

Uninstall AIDA64 and MalwareBytes - drivers date from 2014

Again, this is only temporary - and you can easily reinstall them later on.

 

Analysis:
The following is for information purposes only. The following information contains the relevant information from the blue screen analysis:
**************************Thu Jan  5 07:00:27.418 2017 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\010517-7734-01.dmp]
Windows 10 Kernel Version 14393 MP (6 procs) Free x64
Built by: 14393.576.amd64fre.rs1_release_inmarket.161208-2252
System Uptime:0 days 2:17:28.141
Probably caused by :AuthenticAMD
BugCheck 124, {0, ffffce0263644028, bc800010, 135}
BugCheck Info: WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR (124)
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000000, Machine Check Exception
Arg2: ffffce0263644028, Address of the WHEA_ERROR_RECORD structure.
Arg3: 00000000bc800010, High order 32-bits of the MCi_STATUS value.
Arg4: 0000000000000135, Low order 32-bits of the MCi_STATUS value.
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x124_AuthenticAMD
PROCESS_NAME:  mpc-hc64.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x124_AuthenticAMD_PROCESSOR_CACHE
  BIOS Version                  P2.00
  BIOS Release Date             09/04/2015
  Manufacturer                  To Be Filled By O.E.M.
  Baseboard Manufacturer        ASRock
  Product Name                  To Be Filled By O.E.M.
  Baseboard Product             980DE3/U3S3
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3rd Party Drivers:
The following is for information purposes only. My recommendations were given above. The drivers that follow belong to software or devices that were not developed by Microsoft.  You can find links to the driver information and where to update the drivers in the section after the code box:

**************************Thu Jan  5 07:00:27.418 2017 (UTC - 5:00)**************************
CM10864.sys                   Fri Sep 21 01:36:16 2012 (505BFCD0)
mwac.sys                      Tue Jun 17 22:07:00 2014 (53A0F444)
kerneld.x64                   Sun Dec  7 10:28:54 2014 (54847236)
RTCore64.sys                  Fri Apr 24 03:01:47 2015 (5539EA5B)
RTKVHD64.sys                  Wed Jul 15 06:16:44 2015 (55A6330C)
MBAMSwissArmy.sys             Wed Jul 29 00:26:01 2015 (55B855D9)
mbam.sys                      Tue Aug 11 13:35:19 2015 (55CA3257)
dtlitescsibus.sys             Thu Sep 24 16:17:21 2015 (56045A51)
dtliteusbbus.sys              Mon Dec 28 08:05:52 2015 (568133B0)
TuneUpUtilitiesDriver64.sys   Thu Jan 14 09:16:23 2016 (5697ADB7)
rt640x64.sys                  Thu Jan 21 03:17:40 2016 (56A09424)
SCDEmu.SYS                    Tue May 24 19:00:50 2016 (5744DD22)
AtihdWT6.sys                  Thu Dec  8 12:20:20 2016 (58499654)
atikmpag.sys                  Mon Dec 19 14:37:48 2016 (5858370C)
atikmdag.sys                  Mon Dec 19 15:00:27 2016 (58583C5B)


http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=CM10864.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=mwac.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=kerneld.x64
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTCore64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=MBAMSwissArmy.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=mbam.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=dtlitescsibus.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=dtliteusbbus.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=TuneUpUtilitiesDriver64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rt640x64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=SCDEmu.SYS
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=AtihdWT6.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmpag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmdag.sys
 
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:10 AM

I know how to Flash a BIOS version but the one i have is the most recent one (installed by me). The website does not have a newer version.

 

I have checked (every single day) and all updates are installed. A lot of updates were installed but for some reason a lot of them don't appear. In any case, there doesn't seem to be any update that i've missed. (and updates are irrelevant since we're talking about W10 now, whereas the BSODs started when i was still running W7 with every possible update installed)

 

I cannot free up space (if i could, i would've already done it, trust me) but i would say that the Windows partition, having more than 30gb free, is more than enough. As for the other hard drives, again, it's irrelevant because more than 18 months ago, when this all started, all hard drives had at least 50% free space.

 

I first started suspecting the PSU, yes, but after certain tests and seeing the same results with a totally different PSU, i decided it should be the last thing on my list.

 

I will try uninstalling Daemon Tools, and one by one, the other potential suspects. (i won't uninstall them all at the same time so as not to be confused later as to who the culprit was, assuming it's one of them)

 

As for overclocking, never have, never will.

 

I'm not sure about the whole outdated sound driver...i mean if that were the case, then most of the worlds PC's would receive BSODs like mine...i don't much see the logic in it.

 

And removing MalwareBytes is not a very good idea since it's the only antivirus software i have. I ran ESET's NOD32 for years but after some reading, i discovered that it wasn't a good idea, so i removed it, and i pretty much hate and/or don't trust other software. (i also disabled Windows Defender)

 

Anyway, i will do my best to try out more solutions in the days to come. Thank you for now.


Edited by GiANi, 06 January 2017 - 09:07 AM.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:32 AM

I stress the BIOS/UEFI flash simply because it is (IMO) the single most important thing to do on a W8/10 system that's having low-level problems (next most important is Windows Updates).

If there are no further updated, then there is nothing that can be done.

 

3% free space has been known to cause BSOD's in the past.  You can't decide which drive that Windows uses for it's behind the scenes operations - but if you can't free up the space you may just have to live with the problems.

This isn't a 100% sure diagnosis - and the BSOD's may not be due to the free space - but I mention it because I have seen free space issues on partitions other than The Windows partition that have had BSOD issues

 

None of these things I suggest are permanent - nor are they something that I'm forcing you to do.

If I ask you to remove something, it's because of problems that I've seen - not because I'm just making stuff up.

And, removing these things is only for as long as it takes to test them.

If you need added security because you've removed MalwareBytes, then install another free antivirus while testing - you can uninstall it and install MalwareBytes when you're done testing.

Etc.....

But, in short, If I'm going to spend all my time explaining all the details of what I've taken many years to learn, then I'll spend all my time on your post and won't be able to help others.

As such, I'll leave you to your own devices and wish you luck with solving these problems.

 

 

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:33 AM

Like i said, the whole "3%" thing is irrelevant because more than 18 months ago, when this all started, all hard drives had at least 50% free space. (so out of the question, as are many other suggestions here so far)

 

I know that you're not making this stuff up, but take into consideration what i am saying as well.

 

I have traced my steps back and have done some very thorough digging to realize what could and could not be the problem, hence why i am replying to most of your solutions with "irrelevant", and to a few with "it could be possible; i will look into it; thank you".

 

But almost nothing (apart from the idea to uninstall certain software) so far has been relevant because, if you had taken the time to properly read my original post (instead of "trying to explain to me what you learned over the course of years and years") you would have done the necessary connections to see what could be relevant and what couldn't.

 

MalwareBytes is something i started using way after the BSODs originally started happening (and install a free antivirus?...you're kidding, right?...not only do the premium versions of some of the "best" antivirus software barely do a good job and keep you "safe", but a "free" version?), the sound card and driver i am currently using have been "performing at optimal parameters" since 2008 before the BSODs started, Daemon Tools is something i've been using since they first launched in 2005 and so on. You need to take stuff like this into account.

 

It's not like i planted potato seeds in 2008 and harvested potatoes all the way to 2015, when all of a sudden in 2015, i planted potato seeds and ended up harvesting cucumbers. (past analogy; sound card and driver, Daemon Tools reference etc.)

 

And it's not like i can blame the cat i got this year for the Christmas tree that was "wrecked" the year before. (future analogy; MalwareBytes reference)

 

See what i mean when i say "irrelevant"? Sure, there are a few solutions you have provided (like uninstalling "certain" software, which i will, and taking a look at your website for things i may have missed), but most of them are not relevant i'm afraid.

 

I understand that you might be "The Big Kahuna" when it comes to stuff like this, but don't think that i haven't had my fair share of experience or that i am a simpleton.

 

I mean come on. Out of all the comments, posts, threads, forums and websites out there filled with similar problems, i think my post could very well stand out in regards to formatting, grammar AND overall attention to detail while providing the necessary information.

 

Yet i feel that i am treated as your regular "Jon Doe" with all the "you either do what i tell you to or not, even if it doesn't sound relevant, but i'm not going to explain myself to you...".


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:13 AM

Hemmm my turn then, for the record im a middle aged hardware tech with like 35 years on the topic and im not big on looking at logs , mostly i tackle things from a hardware level and before i move on to other topics if it smells like the computer is really unhappy.

 

I often check to make shore the hardware passes many tests in regards to making shore is stable, and doing this takes time.

 

when i see a computer blue screen i do take note of what the error code as well as look at event logs in windows so as to do some research on the topic but if the error codes are all over the place and the computer is acting insane often ill go after the computer on a hardware level before a software one or both at the same time, as well im aggressive when it comes to windows reinstall, i don't like working with old broken installs and if theirs a problem on a software level i tend to rebuild the system on that level slowly starting with a very basic window install with only the most trusted software possible and min software possible, no updates kind of thing, no weird free2use junk or beta patches or updates.

 

You should note that win10 is a beta os and many of the updates that have bin pumped out by M$ broke computers all over the place.

 

As well mostly use behavioral analysis to find problems and im half decent at finding unknown bad guy code on a computer though its hard to do this in a forum, its more the kind of thing i do when the computer is under my noise.

 

But if your out of options and want to try a feu things lets see what we can see.

 

to start off do the following plz, i need to know what im dealing with hardware wise.

 

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/323892/publish-a-snapshot-using-speccy/



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 11:25 AM

Btw just looking at your cpu "TDP" + the cooler your using = fail, if we did a load test im all most ready to best $$$ you fail the test and can't keep the system under 65c, limit is 70c on your cpu.



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 01:06 PM

"I often check to make shore the hardware passes many tests in regards to making shore is stable, and doing this takes time."

 

As i stated in my original post:

 

- 10 hour full PC stress test using AIDA64 Extreme (CPU, HDD, cache, FPU, GPU etc.)
- fully tested my PC for hours using both PCMark and 3DMark
- overall temperatures are more than ok
- changed thermal paste on both GPU and CPU (just in case)
- ran Prime95 on "Blend" for 12 hours (using certain tweaks to fully test the CPU and RAM)
- ran Prime95 on "Small FFT" for 12 hours (using certain tweaks to fully test the CPU and RAM)
(saw some tweaks somewhere that would change the settings to better test everything)
 
And so on...so yeah, i think i tested it more than enough.
 
"You should note that win10 is a beta os and many of the updates that have bin pumped out by M$ broke computers all over the place."
 
I opted out of that feature and only get updates from Microsoft, not other PC's.
 
"to start off do the following plz, i need to know what im dealing with hardware wise."
 
You have got to be kidding me...i posted my PC specs AND attached SIX files containing everything there is to know about my PC...
 
But does anyone EVER bother to read? Apparently not...
 
"Btw just looking at your cpu "TDP" + the cooler your using = fail"
 
Is that so? Then how come my temperatures are very ok, and how come there are people who even overclock using the STOCK cooler?
 
I failed by buying a 50$ cooler? VERY interesting...-_-
 
"if we did a load test im all most ready to best $$$ you fail the test and can't keep the system under 65c, limit is 70c on your cpu."
 
Want to bet? I tested the CPU a lot with overall positive results and it NEVER went above 55c. Also, the limit is 65c...but you must know more than the manufacturer :)
 
 
In any case, here is your "Speccy" requested info...even though i already attached enough information...
 

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 01:58 PM

Want to bet? I tested the CPU a lot with overall positive results and it NEVER went above 55c. Also, the limit is 65c...but you must know more than the manufacturer

 

70.5c your source for knowing its lower plz ?

 

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-6300.html

 

Other thing about speccy is i can see more with it then the info you posted with out it, helps some.

 

As well from this review with a cpu at stock speed TDP77 used for testing with your cooler delta temps "rise above ambient" was 34C, your speccy SS is showing 33c idle temp and this is from a cpu that's at TDP95 vs TDP77 on your cooler, if you do the math that means 33+34=67c

In the review in question as well buddy overclock, with your heat sink the rise above ambient went insane.

 

And your saying 55c max, do you live in a snow bank ?

 

Done the rounds on this topic on the net, are you calling all the review sites lairs and that they don't know what their doing ?

Love to see a screen shot of your temps under full load with prime95 and open hardware monitor 15min run.

 

http://www.eteknix.com/id-cooling-50-40-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/6/

 

stock-temps.jpg?w=800

 

I opted out of that feature and only get updates from Microsoft, not other PC's.

 

Sadly when its comes to winspy10 Microsoft updates ARE the problem, their not doing quality control testing anymore they just upload trash to the pile and you and your computer are the test seeing as everything your computer douse in win10 is sent back to Microsoft.

 

a feu examples of win10 updates braking computer installs.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/08/25/windows-10-anniversary-update-keeps-breaking-pcs/

 

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/81659/microsoft-delivers-yet-another-broken-windows-10-update

 

http://betanews.com/2016/04/25/windows-10-update-problems/
 

 

Is that so? Then how come my temperatures are very ok, and how come there are people who even overclock using the STOCK cooler?

 

People that use the stock cooler that comes with your cpu and overclock are retards that brake their computer, and by ok im guessing you mean 70c.

 

I see you have AVG installed at the same time as a full install of mbam, you know twin AV at the same time not a good idea right ?

 

You have piles of chrome running at the same time, seen that before and the memory use makes me laff its like 3x what firefox is.

 

You all so have piles of SVChost.exe going, no less then 16, id probably do a test my self to see if they all check out.

 

And last a little info about how conic the crashing is, how many times a day would you say you have problems regardless of what your doing, or is it just when you use some programs that you have crashing ?

Im guessing its just some programs seeing as you claim to have done piles of stress testing.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 02:03 PM

More on the same topic.

ID%20Cooling%20IS%20series%20%2839%29.JP

 

http://proclockers.com/reviews/cooling/id-cooling-is40-and-is60-sfx-coolers-review?nopaging=1



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 02:14 PM

"your speccy SS is showing 33c idle temp"

 

Incorrect. My idle temp is 16c. Must have had something in the background while running Speccy or something.

 

http://i.imgur.com/JbvP89L.png

 

"And your saying 55c max, do you live in a snow bank ?"

 

 

No, i don't, and yes, max 55c in full load testing, while getting almost 50c in certain games like GTA, Division etc.

 

Love to see a screen shot of your temps under full load with prime95 and open hardware monitor 15min run.

 

Ok, i will do that either tonight or tomorrow.

 

they just upload trash to the pile and you and your computer are the test seeing as everything your computer douse in win10 is sent back to Microsoft.

 

Like i said, i unchecked every option that might send information, as well as opted out of receiving updates from other PC's.

 

and by ok im guessing you mean 70c.

 

Not at all. Max 50c in games, max 55c in full load testing and 16c while being idle.

 

I see you have AVG installed at the same time as a full install of mbam, you know twin AV at the same time not a good idea right ?

 

Of course i know. But please take a closer look, as AVG is NOT an antivirus software, it is simply AVG TUNEUP...

 

You have piles of chrome running at the same time, seen that before and the memory use makes me laff its like 3x what firefox is.

 

Don't care. I have the CPU and RAM for it, so i'm sticking with it.

 

how many times a day would you say you have problems regardless of what your doing, or is it just when you use some programs that you have crashing ?

Im guessing its just same programs

 

It's very random. Sometimes i get 2 BSODs in 1 day, sometimes i get 1 BSOD a week, or at every 2 or 3 weeks. It's random.

 

Also, i am having difficulty understanding some of your sentences because of certain grammar mistakes.



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:37 PM

Incorrect. My idle temp is 16c. Must have had something in the background while running Speccy or something.

 

Meaning your ambient temp in your living space is what 8c ?

Adia64 getting it wrong.

Sometimes some apps get it wrong, from the pic you posted cpu temp is 33c but each core is 16c, think about it.

Funny thing too about your cpu core is the 8 core version of the cpu is 60c max the 6 core 70c max.

Some times its best to use more then one app if the numbers don't make sence.
 

 

No, i don't, and yes, max 55c in full load testing, while getting almost 50c in certain games like GTA, Division etc.

 

Guess you don't have 10~15 min to burn atm all good, if you don't mind use open hardware monitor + prime95 ~ 6 or more threads.

 

http://openhardwaremonitor.org/

 

Like i said, i unchecked every option that might send information, as well as opted out of receiving updates from other PC's.

 

Seeing as you like to be frank and i don't mind people that are like that, my self i like people that play on face value and imho if you don't often say what you mean you often don't mean what you say meaning your a two faced head gamer.

 

So my turn to be brutally honest, winspy10 is a joke Os with only 14% of the world using it, win7 is 55% user base and no mater what you do to limit the spyware in win10 you can only limit it some, you can't turn it off 100% that and the amount of people that show up in this forum with win10 problems vs win7 people leads me to wonder wtf going on with beta win10.

 

Ps winXP is still 10% total user base and 20% user base in china.

 

Imho winspy10 is a twit Os and you be doing your self a favor if you changed over to win 7 ultimate 64bit and join the other 60% of the world on this topic, don't know if it would fix the problems your having but you know.

 

My self im still in winXP and not on a slow computer for it "OC 4000mgz Intel twin core liquid cooled 4gigs ram", even win7 gets on my nerves and win10 is like poison.

 

Of course i know. But please take a closer look, as AVG is NOT an antivirus software, it is simply AVG TUNEUP...

 

 

I was wondering what that was, didn't know AVG made a computer tuner app for windows, you know apps like that are forbidden to be recommended on this forum, why..... cus they brake things more then they fix things.

 

Don't care. I have the CPU and RAM for it, so i'm sticking with it.

 

 

True when you have 16gigs i guess who cares.

 

It's very random. Sometimes i get 2 BSODs in 1 day, sometimes i get 1 BSOD a week, or at every 2 or 3 weeks. It's random.

 

 

Sounds like just windows to me, about the same here only i don't lose sleep over it and if you like that topic in my win98se years the thing would pop and blue screen like 10 times a day.

 

I swear when it comes to win98 you need a big reset button on your keyboard cus your slapping it all day long with that Os till the OS just dies and its time for a full reinstall, i was like full reinstall once a month at one point.

 

K i get the point now as to what your talking about and why you posted in this forum, though and im kind of in the same boat, i think we can one up the stability topic with just bios tweaking "still dont like your heat sink"

 

lets hope you know how to work a bios so i don't have to do FAQ posts for each bios setting recommendation.

Ill download the manual for your mobo when im done this post and check out the settings in their on and off as i game some.

 

Also, i am having difficulty understanding some of your sentences because of certain grammar mistakes.

 

 

Ya that happens to people not use to the internet, spelling was never my strong side too and im fast on a keyboard but sloppy and yes i use spell check, and no i don't like the grammar police, but tnx for pointing it out.

 

If you like that  topic log in some time for some IRC hoxor speed chat, its not even English,and in that world spelling and grammar are just theoretical concepts, words per min are all that count.



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 04:38 PM

Meaning your ambient temp in your living space is what 8c ?

Adia64 getting it wrong.

Sometimes some apps get it wrong, from the pic you posted cpu temp is 33c but each core is 16c, think about it.

 

"CPU Temperature" is a single temperature probe in the CPU but not directly adjacent to any individual core and it is not highly accurate since it is an overall indication of CPU temperature and not an indication of any individual core. 
   
"Core Temperature" is calculated by using each core's DTS sensor and the purpose of the DTS sensor is to trigger the CPU's built-in thermal throttling and thermal shutdown fail-safe features.
 
The DTS sensor is not designed to indicate core temperature, but can be used to extrapolate a fairly accurate core temperature using programs such as RealTemp. 
   
I personally put a lot more faith in core temperature than CPU temperature since CPU temperature is just an advisory item instead of core temperature which is an actual measurement of each core's distance from maximum temperature specification which is actually used for critical tasks.
 
 
I opened Global Offensive and MSI (a different software) said the temperature was 23c (so 7c more than the 16c in idle)...still not good enough for you?
 
Do i have to test every software out there for you to understand that i have a good cooler, Zalman thermal compound and a very good case with nice air flow and 5 fans?
 
As for the Windows lecture, please pay close attention to my original post. I was a W7 user before switching to W10 for the first time ever (about 1-2 weeks ago) and the switch was made solely so that i may exclude the "OS could be the problem" off the "to do list".
 

 

But you know what? Nevermind...

 

You're apparently circling around the same things over and over, even though i specifically said what's what and pointed out the information that was needed.

 

I thought i could get some actual help here...but i can barely understand what you're saying.

 

"Words per min are all that count." How about someone understanding what you mean? Does that not count?

 

Just lock this stupid attempt at a thread and go help someone else...

 

Thank you for your time.


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