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What is the exact reason for Global Surveillance?


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#1 auto1571

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Posted 16 December 2016 - 07:29 PM

What is the exact reason for Global Surveillance?

 

And are you for or against it?

 

As many of you know certain surveillance programs have been put in place such as Prism and Tempora for example as leaked by Whistle Blower Edward Snowden. From my understanding these programs monitor all proprietary forms of electronic communication. Among these are Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Apple, Safari, MS Windows, YouTube and much more as well as hacking into fiber optic cables, wire taping etc.

 

The government states that the reason for this is to combat terrorism and serious organized crime. However quite frankly as for serious organized crime they do not operate publicly like this; if they did then organized crime would be massively reduced which it isn't and not by a long shot.

 

I do not put terrorists on the same par as organized criminals; I wouldn't put it passed some terrorists to brag publicly about their actions and ideas. They also strike me as having the same mentality as people from the dark ages. Then again they have an ideology that they're try and project onto the modern world.  Also as for the ones that don't operate publicly there are ways to infiltrate them anyway and Western Governments have had a high success rate in combating terrorist ploys since 2011. And combating terrorism takes precedence over anything else in the interest of national security.

 

I think it's possible that these surveillance programs could contribute to the countering of terrorism but I am not sure about the probability. I do think it's highly unlikely however that these programs will do much to combat organized crime.

 

Moreover aside from the issue of an infringement of privacy there is also the issue of user data being vulnerable. What I mean by this is personal user data being stored in private and public databases for long periods time. It wasn't that long ago that the UK ISP TalkTalk was hacked into and this hack was done by a mere student. And now to top it all Theresa May recently passed a bill that would allow all ISP's along with another 47 organizations to store data for up to one year; looks like Christmas has come early for many cyber criminals out there (malicious hackers, Identity thieves etc).

 

 

To conclude points for global surveillance include (At least this kind of Global surveillance):

  • A possible contribution for combating terrorism.
  • A great way of catching the Nations most dumbest criminals.

 

Points against it include:

  • Infringement of privacy.
  • Vulnerability of personal user data being lost and/or stolen and ending up in the hands of malicious hackers, Identity thieves, etc.

 

Now what are your views?



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Posted 19 December 2016 - 02:16 PM

The bill you are referring to actually requires these organisations to keep these records. ISPs must keep a record of the domains visited by their customers, for a year, but not of the individual pages.

On the whole, I oppose these measures. I think the threat from terrorism is overblown particularly in the west, as we are much, much more likely to be killed in other ways.

"Rights begin with the right to privacy. Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." (Edward Snowden)

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 05:27 PM

ECHELON consists of a global network of computers that automatically search through millions of intercepted for pre-programmed keywords or fax, telex and e-mail addresses. Every word of every message in the frequencies and channels selected at a station is automatically searched. The processors in the network are known as the ECHELON Dictionaries. ECHELON connects all these computers and allows the individual stations to function as distributed elements an integrated system. An ECHELON station's Dictionary contains not only its parent agency's chosen keywords, but also lists for each of the other four agencies in the UKUSA system [NSA, GCHQ, DSD, GCSB and CSE] http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/echelon.htm
 

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 04:40 AM

I can't reckon myself amongst the activist crowd or amongst people fully informed of the legal particulars of the issue. At the moment I can't reckon myself amongst the 100% sober either, but that has never stopped me from letting my mind be known. From my point of view  the arguments are:

 

Pro: Tech companies and intelligence agencies can surveille people, it is easy for them to do so, common folk can't stop them from doing so, and their governments don't care that is happening.

 

Against: Some people are awake to it happening and are upset, some of the perpetrators might be violating the law (this goes beyond my ken, since I have no legal training).

 

People need to wake the hell up and demand more protection against surveillance from their governments. As things are now, there does not seem to me, to be much deterrence from corporate and government surveillance. 



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Posted 29 December 2016 - 10:46 PM

The Spy Files. On Thursday, December 1st, 2011 WikiLeaks began publishing The Spy Files, thousands of pages and other materials exposing the global mass surveillance industry. https://wikileaks.org/the-spyfiles.html
 

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 11:29 AM

Global surveillance is in over kill mode as far as im considered, as for the terrorism topic is just a excuse to spy on people.

 

Not long ago this topic really started getting on my nerves and everywhere you look on every level the surveillance topic gets worse as time gos on, just on this forum i don't know what to say to the winspy10 people anymore, my self i think they all need their heads checked.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNFr_j6kdI

 

"Rights begin with the right to privacy. Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say"

 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 03:01 PM

It doesn't bother me



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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:56 PM

Microsoft is spying on you shadow_647 and there making there employees look at disgusting videos and images: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gKNFRwhgBc  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/11/microsoft-anti-porn-workers-sue-over-ptsd.html



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 01:08 PM

O'nos how do you know what im watching ! i know my self i like watching this all day.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbrII7frHV0

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwCi7qVfsQE

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afR7py5pLF8

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dys8KUnwGGg


Edited by shadow_647, 13 January 2017 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2017 - 01:01 AM

My tiny brain analysis as follows:

 

The nature of technology will always depend on how the users use it....

 

Sorry, too general. In this case, what I consider Global Surveillance purpose now, irrelevant to however the user modifies the policy, is that it's the last resort, ignoring individual privacy, to monitor people behavior, record their every little action, for crime detection or whatever the government wants to claim to protect people from and as a detergent.

 

Based on the current political environment, the balance of crime rate, social moral atmosphere. , I still don't recommend or I am against it. (sorry optimist here) I still trust according to my own eyes that the current existing measures can control the "chaos" in every society. Also, I'm afraid that Global Surveillance would slowly but eventually fall on the wrong hands, like dictatorship. Although the world will balance itself anyway, I just don't wanna witness any suffering in humanity which should be unnecessary. There's no excuse that every human beings must always aim to coping things realistically, but as best as they can...

 

Global Surveillance do has its pros like, to monitor the changes in the environment.; help research in other nature stuff for science; facilitate conducting statistic for future city, country or even global plans........

 

will edit if I can think of, for now, thanks for reading



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 04:26 PM

Social control, pure and simple.

 

In the future (if not now already), if ever you become of interest, or a potential threat to anyone in power, they will be able to pull up a file on you and find all number of sensitive things with which to either destroy or silence you with. This doesn't have to be some high level stuff either, maybe some town planning stuff you object to, or if you ever decide to run for local council or any kind of community groups that get in someone with clout's way. 

 

People who say 'they have no problem with it' amaze me. Do you really trust the people in power? By which i dont mean just the government, but there's a whole mass of people who would potentially have access to your, and your families information. These people are far from infallable, and have as as many untrustworthy, creepy and downright dodgy peple as the general population at large, if not more. 

 

We are sleepwalking into a dystopian Orwellian future, and people are fine with it. I don't know how we got to this point, but it scares the hell out of me, frankly.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 10:35 PM

Agreed just look at what happened on the Watergate topic and now what happened their is everywhere and the more times change the more they stay the same and the more we get spied on the more were under control and can't do anything vs the people in power.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

 

Just wait till we all get forced to get chipped with a GPS implant that if and when the powers that be don't like you or a computer AI somewhere decides you've become a problem all they have to do is send the kill code and your dead.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6237364/ns/health-health_care/t/fda-approves-computer-chip-humans/



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 11:33 PM

Good point BustedFlush. :thumbup2:  Boy thats some Xfiles type stuff there shadow_647.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 11:55 PM

Know what i see when i see this, the end of the human race, kill all the machines !

And ya your right supersap it would make a good sci-fi movie....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Obm0DBvwI

 

Think google search is smart ? its nothing.

Now what happens when you plug that AI in to everyone's privet info, bow down to the new dominant life form.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 11:55 PM

All sounds very familiar to a manga, first serialized in 1989....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(manga)






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