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#1 patai3295

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 10:21 PM

specs on what im going to order soon

 

CPU Intel Core i5-6600K

FAN CM Hyper D92

MOBO MSI Z170-A PRO

GPU MSI GTX 1080

RAM Kingston HyperX FURY 8GB

PSU EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GQ

CASE Corsair Carbide 200R

SSD 500 gig evo

 

not a fan of the case for this build(https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-200R-Compact-Case/dp/B009GXZ8MM?tag=topgc13-20)

 

can anyone give some different suggestions to other cases that should fit with the rest of my build internally

 

( got a 4k 70inch trying to build a semi decent rig for pc gaming cod gta n such )



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 05:23 AM

Fractal R5 is on sale right now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811352048

If you ask me, GTX 1080 is way too slow (and expensive) for 4K gaming. So if you really want 4K gaming, only wise option is to wait for new cards (AMD Vega or any HBM2 card) and not to waste money on slow, overpriced and architecturally obsolete card.

I would consider better CPU too. 8 GB is not much but that can be added later.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 12:20 PM

Really? Hmm.. All the reviews I read are recent on those components and people said they were playing 1080p 60fps without a sweat. Just got my 1050 ti gpu for my alienware rig maybe I'll just upgrade afew things in that machine instead of buying a whole new gaming rig

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 12:39 PM

Really? Hmm.. All the reviews I read are recent on those components and people said they were playing 1080p 60fps without a sweat. Just got my 1050 ti gpu for my alienware rig maybe I'll just upgrade afew things in that machine instead of buying a whole new gaming rig


4K is 4 times more demanding than 1080p. GTX 1080 is generally not enough for 4K 60 FPS minimum unless running fairly light games.

HBM2 tech is already available but Nvidia decided to ship cards with GDDR5X now and HBM2 later, so they can sell 2 cards instead of one.

What's that current Alienware rig?

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 12:42 PM

can anyone give some different suggestions to other cases that should fit with the rest of my build internally

 

What kind do you like? Are you a minimalist, or a RICER type, computercase fan?


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Posted 02 December 2016 - 12:49 PM

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/PQzsqkk8RXSUfhsPgUTAtuY is my alienware rig



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:05 PM

oooo an i7 920. Love those. 

Does your Alienware support overclocking? If not, the CPU won't be able to handle a more powerful graphics card anyways. I should know, I owned for ages before changing up to what I have now. 

 

You *could* upgrade the CPU to a i7-970 off ebay for around 150$. Which would then be able to handle whatever graphics card you throw at it.


Edited by SEANIA, 02 December 2016 - 01:06 PM.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:14 PM

Motherboard Properties    
Motherboard ID    66-2776-009999-00101111-102809-TYLSBURG$A7591016_DELL AURORA : A04 (10/28/2009)
Motherboard Name    Alienware Aurora
    
Front Side Bus Properties    
Bus Type    Intel QPI
Real Clock    133 MHz
Effective Clock    133 MHz
QPI Clock    2406 MHz
    
Memory Bus Properties    
Bus Type    Triple DDR3 SDRAM
Bus Width    192-bit
DRAM:FSB Ratio    4:1
Real Clock    533 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock    1067 MHz
Bandwidth    25597 MB/s
    
Chipset Bus Properties    
Bus Type    Intel ESI

 



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:16 PM

is my motherboard even worth throwing money at like a new cpu more ram.. cause of the bus speed etc n all the rest of the specs that im not fully understanding of.. its a old board slow board.. u throw semi fast components  at it and it cant use the full potential of them? correct or no ... jus got a new gpu for this rig for 140.. was going to use this as my second comp and the new gaming rig mentioned above for my 4k 70inch...now im kinda at a cross roads


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Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:18 PM

i want to play like the new battlefield cod gta stuff like that on the tv.. settings dont have to be maxed out im sure i could enjoy playing at medium settings in the game...so....hm



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:20 PM

plus recently ive been raring 10 gig files which takes idk a good half hour or so.. which kinda sucks..other than gaming and raring big files i dont see anything else more demanding i would be doing with the computer



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 02:24 PM

is my motherboard even worth throwing money at like a new cpu more ram.. cause of the bus speed etc n all the rest of the specs that im not fully understanding of.. its a old board slow board.. u throw semi fast components  at it and it cant use the full potential of them? 

 

That's how thing use to be. Pretty much anything that's multi core isn't motherboard bound for performance anymore.

 

In fact, you could go out right now and find the cheapest bottom-of-the-barrel 45$ LGA 1151 board, pair it with the 350$ i7-6700k, and you'd see no performance difference between it and a 300$+ motherboard. The reason for this is that most, if not all, clock and bus functions have been moved on-die to the CPU. Very little is motherboard bound anymore. The board you have still uses a north bridge, and was the last to do so for Intel, but everything was so standardized by then that it still doesn't matter. 

 

Since we're on the topic of  "things that don't matter anymore". RAM speed/timings also mean nothing nowadays outside of server farms, or dual/quad CPU render rig workstations that slam the CPUs at 100% constantly. With DDR2, RAM had gotten fast enough to not matter for general use/gaming anymore. Even standard video/image editing doesn't really benefit from fast RAM anymore unless you're using a CPU with 16+ threads. 

 

 

i want to play like the new battlefield cod gta stuff like that on the tv.. 

Your current desktop can do that. You won't be playing them in 4k, but you can play them on there. 

 

I think I'm required to add in that large TVs, and TVs in general, are "bad for gaming". The larger a TV is, the more latency it has. Meaning the time gap between you pressing forward, and your character actually moving on the screen, is much longer then that on a smaller screen. TVs also do a lot of processing to incoming video to improve the image quality. This also adds more latency, but most TV's have a "game" or "PC" mode that disables a lot of it for game/PC use.

 

Not to say that you can't game on it- it'll look really good in fact (I play on TVs a lot). Just don't expect to be able to play anything competitively on it that requires twitch action reflexes to be good at. 

 

 

settings dont have to be maxed out im sure i could enjoy playing at medium settings in the game...so....hm

 

Here is a nice chart that shows how the GTX 1080 handles GTV in 4k. 

r_600x450.png

With lower settings you might be able to get it to run at 60FPS at 4k. GTAV is optimized weirdly though. It's inefficient with how it handles CPU tasks. Meaning if you pull up a CPU and GPU monitor, both will read at about 80% load even with a uncapped frame rate when everything should be reading 100%. It does a poor job "boxing up the code" for the, lets say, "dispatcher" that sends work out to all the cores. So this "dispatcher" gets overwhelmed from all the poorly boxed code and can't hand it out fast enough for the cores to do the work. Newer CPUs from Intel have better "dispatchers" and will get slightly higher frame rates, but that's why you see such low results on the chart there, and why even when you adjust the settings down you'll still get the same low frame rate. 

 

It's easier to see what I mean with a video-

 
It's bench marking GTAV with a i7-870 (a much higher clocked version of what you have now), and two much newer CPUs. If you watch, GTAV never 100% utilizes anything. More importantly, the whole video shows that the newer CPUs, such as the i5 you listed, don't really perform any better in games now then they did back in 2009. You don't need whole brand new computer to run current games. You just need a new graphics card for handling 4k, and maybe a stronger used CPU (the one I listed) off ebay for cheap. Infact the CPU I listed is stronger then the i5-6600k you picked out x3 
 
Oh boy....that is a wall of text. 

Edited by SEANIA, 02 December 2016 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 02:34 PM

Hmm..alot of good info very interesting. So you would go with that 1080 gpu if you were in my shoes or upgrade the cpu to the one you said.. Or both... Starting to think now tho that gaming at 1080p 60fps is good enough.. Not sure I need that 4k gaming experience especially with the latency issue you were saying

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 02:44 PM

Hmm..alot of good info very interesting. So you would go with that 1080 gpu if you were in my shoes or upgrade the cpu to the one you said.. Or both... Starting to think now tho that gaming at 1080p 60fps is good enough.. Not sure I need that 4k gaming experience especially with the latency issue you were saying

 

I mean, personally I'd upgrade the CPU to the one I listed now, and then wait a few months for when AMD drops their new GPUs. They're are supposedly going to be da-bomb at 4k because of the new HBM2 VRAM tech they're using in them. The GTX 1080 "can" do 4k in some games at higher settings, but you can see with GTV that it still struggles to handle that.

 

You're not the only struggling with whether or not to get a GTX1080 for 4k. A lot of people are getting them now because they desperately want 4k gaming right now, and since it can kind of do that they go for it, but in actuality I think everyone knows that we'll just have to wait for the new graphics cards to drop before we can reliably play games in 4k. Key term here is "reliably", and that's why the GTX1080 doesn't quite cut it since it can't consistently do it at 60FPS with current AAA games, let alone future ones. 


Edited by SEANIA, 02 December 2016 - 02:45 PM.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 04:07 PM

ok im going to get that cpu and just use this gpu for now. which heatsink do you recommend for that cpu ..currently got a stock  water cooled system in now gunna have to take that out... and also you see my ram.. all different sizes and i think afew are diff brands isnt that bad? is it worth spending 50 bucks or so got a one slot 8 gig ddr3

 

System Memory    9206 MB  (DDR3 SDRAM)
DIMM1: Elpida EBJ10UE8BDF0-AE-F    1 GB DDR3-1066 DDR3 SDRAM  (8-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (6-6-6-18 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM2: Micron 16JTF25664AZ-1G1F1    2 GB DDR3-1066 DDR3 SDRAM  (8-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (6-6-6-18 @ 457 MHz)  (5-5-5-15 @ 380 MHz)
DIMM3: Elpida EBJ10UE8BDF0-AE-F    1 GB DDR3-1066 DDR3 SDRAM  (8-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (6-6-6-18 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM4: G Skill Value F3-10666CL9-2GBNS    2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM  (9-9-9-24 @ 666 MHz)  (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz)  (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM5: Elpida EBJ10UE8BDF0-AE-F    1 GB DDR3-1066 DDR3 SDRAM  (8-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (6-6-6-18 @ 457 MHz)
DIMM6: G Skill Value F3-10666CL9-2GBNS    2 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM  (9-9-9-24 @ 666 MHz)  (8-8-8-22 @ 609 MHz)  (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz)  (6-6-6-17 @ 457 MHz)
 


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