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#1 SPL Tech

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 01:11 PM

I just ordered a Dell XPS 400. It was $1,150. I am thinking of returning it because I was told I can build a better gaming PC myself. Here are the specifications of the Dell:

-Pentium® D Processor 820 with Dual Core Technology (2.80GHz, 800FSB)
-Intel VIIV certified
-XP Home media center SP2
-1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz- 2DIMMs
-250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ 8MB cache
-Single Drive: 16x DVD+/-RW with double layer write capability
-19 inch E196FP Analog Flat Panel
-256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS video card
-Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
-390 watt PSU

Now do you think it would be possible to make a custom computer that would out perform the Dell for gaming and just normal Internet surfing?

I have around a $1,100 price limit.

There is one thing. Everything must be bought from newegg.com because they offered me a credit line there.

I need:
-at least a 150 GB HD
-a normal analog 19" LCD monitor would do it
-a DVD +/- RW drive

I don’t need speakers a mouse or a keyboard.

And it would obviously need to outperform the Dell or else there is no reason to switch.

Now the question is should I go with a Intel Core Dual processor or an AMD one? Wouldn’t an AMD one be cheaper allowing me to get a faster AMD one?
CPU: Core Two Duo 2.13 GHz. E6400 OC'ed to 3.0 GHz. / 380 FSB RAM: 2 GB. Corsair 800 MHz. XMS2 DDR2
GPU: X1900XT 512MB Connect3D Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3
PSU: 535 watt Enermax Whisper II HD: (2) 320 GB. Seagate Barracuda 16 MB. 7,200 RPM SATA II
OD: 52X DVD±RW Monitors: (2) Hanns-G JW199D 19" 16:10 widescreen DVI in extended desktop mode

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 04:45 PM

AMD Athlon X2 4600+ @ $260. The problem with Core 2 Duo is that they are out of stock at many places and those that have them are adding a price premium. The 4600+ is still 30%-50% faster than the 820 in games.
ASUS M2N-E @ $90. A nice motherboard, no point in paying more for useless SLI ability. Will still be one of the fastest gaming boards on the market.
SAMSUNG 920N @ $200. A nice 19" analog monitor.
Sapphire Radeon X1900GT @ $200. Offers really great value at $200, but can be hard to find. You might have to go up a bit (to say 220-230), but it will still be the best choice. Should be 20% faster than the 7900GS.
Corsair XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-5400 @ $190. Twice the memory of the Dell.
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB @ $80. Going down to 160GB would save you only $20. Seagate also gives you a nice 5 year warranty.
NEC 16X DVD±R DVD @ $30.
Antec LifeStyle SONATA II + 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 @ $100. One of the few Case + PSU combos I would trust.

This ends up at $1060, and it will beat the Dell so bad I shudder to think about it. If you can find any of the pieces at a sale you can always take the price lower.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:46 PM

OK! This is what I got so far. Everyone please THOUGHRALY look through it. I do not know if everything is compatible with everything else so I need someone to verify that everything is compatable with each other.

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 1066MHz FSB 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor ($250)Operating Frequency 2.13GHz
FSB 1066MHz
L1 Cache 32KB+32KB
L2 Cache 2M shared
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16819115004
Mothorboard: Gigabyte GA-945GM-S2 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G Micro ATX Intel Motherboard ($95)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813128016
Monitor: Hanns·G JW-199DPB Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1 Built in Speakers 0.283mm x 0.238mm Pixel Pitch ($190)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16824254001
Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3250620AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive ($80)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16822148144
Optical drive: LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE 16X DVD±R DVD Burner ($30)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16827106014

Memory: Here I was looking at a few options I was not sure what one to go with. Here are the three options:

OCZ Gold Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory ($179)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820227078
Patriot 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory ($228)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220144
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory ($231)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145590

Case: Here I was looking at two options. I will decide later what one I want. But I need to know if they are both compatible with everything that is going to be put in it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16811144159
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16811144133

The second one has a 500 watt PSU and the first one has a 420 watt PSU. Would the 420 watt PSU be enough or would I need to upgrade it? And would the 500 watt PSU be enough if I go with that one, or would I need to upgrade it? Also does anyone know which case is of higher quality?

And that only leave one thing left. The video card... Now I have about $200 to 300 left to spend on the card. I want one with a DVI output being that my monitor has a DVI input and the card needs to be able to play almost all of the latest games out there such as Quake 4, Hitman Bloodmoney, Half Life 2, exc. Remember this is a GAMING computer.

Also if anyone has any suggestions if I should change any of the components I have chosen, please speak out!!!

And once again please verify that everything is compatible. Especially the mother board and what not. Also I noticed that mother board has two red and yellow bays and one black one. What type of bays are the yellow and red bays and the black bay?

Also it says "DDR2 Standard DDR2 667" for the mobo. Does that mean that Corsair 800 MHz. memory would be a waste with that mobo and that I should go with 667 MHz. memory? If so should I switch mobo's? If so any suggestions?

How's this mobo? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813135022

That one will work with 800 MHz. RAM. Do mobo's come with heat sinks for the CPU? Will I need any addational cooling equipment?
CPU: Core Two Duo 2.13 GHz. E6400 OC'ed to 3.0 GHz. / 380 FSB RAM: 2 GB. Corsair 800 MHz. XMS2 DDR2
GPU: X1900XT 512MB Connect3D Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3
PSU: 535 watt Enermax Whisper II HD: (2) 320 GB. Seagate Barracuda 16 MB. 7,200 RPM SATA II
OD: 52X DVD±RW Monitors: (2) Hanns-G JW199D 19" 16:10 widescreen DVI in extended desktop mode

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 07:48 PM

This is the card I am looking at going with:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814102698

Is it a good card? Will it play all the games out there?
CPU: Core Two Duo 2.13 GHz. E6400 OC'ed to 3.0 GHz. / 380 FSB RAM: 2 GB. Corsair 800 MHz. XMS2 DDR2
GPU: X1900XT 512MB Connect3D Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3
PSU: 535 watt Enermax Whisper II HD: (2) 320 GB. Seagate Barracuda 16 MB. 7,200 RPM SATA II
OD: 52X DVD±RW Monitors: (2) Hanns-G JW199D 19" 16:10 widescreen DVI in extended desktop mode

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:12 PM

anyone?
CPU: Core Two Duo 2.13 GHz. E6400 OC'ed to 3.0 GHz. / 380 FSB RAM: 2 GB. Corsair 800 MHz. XMS2 DDR2
GPU: X1900XT 512MB Connect3D Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3
PSU: 535 watt Enermax Whisper II HD: (2) 320 GB. Seagate Barracuda 16 MB. 7,200 RPM SATA II
OD: 52X DVD±RW Monitors: (2) Hanns-G JW199D 19" 16:10 widescreen DVI in extended desktop mode

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 01:02 PM

The Gigabyte motherboard uses the older 945G northbridge and doesn't support DDR2-800. For that you would need to use the ECS motherboard with the new P965 northbridge. The ECS also has the newer, faster ICH8 southbridge.

As RAM goes I would prefer Corsair. Have been satisfied with the stuff I got.

I like neither case choice, or should I say I like neither PSU you get with the case choices you've listed. Aspire makes low quality PSU's. You might want to read this: The Truth about PSU power ratings. Also I should mention that the wattage of the PSU isn't all that important, but that you get enough amps on the right rails and and that they have a good combined output. The PSU you get with cases are usually cheap-good-for-nothing-power-supplys-that-blow-up-one-day-after-the-warranty-runs-out-and-takes-half-your-components-with-it type PSU's. The Antec I listed earlier is an exception.

The red and yellow bays are for the RAM, the black ones are PCIe and the with ones are PCI.

The x1800XT is about equal to the x1900GT. The x1800XT is a few percent faster in some games while the x1900GT is faster on others. But the x1800XT is a double-size card so the PCI slot next to the PCIe x16 will be physically unavailable. This could be a better alternative: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814102022
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 01:09 PM

^^^ So the preformance of that card is about equal to the preformance of the card I suggested?
CPU: Core Two Duo 2.13 GHz. E6400 OC'ed to 3.0 GHz. / 380 FSB RAM: 2 GB. Corsair 800 MHz. XMS2 DDR2
GPU: X1900XT 512MB Connect3D Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3
PSU: 535 watt Enermax Whisper II HD: (2) 320 GB. Seagate Barracuda 16 MB. 7,200 RPM SATA II
OD: 52X DVD±RW Monitors: (2) Hanns-G JW199D 19" 16:10 widescreen DVI in extended desktop mode

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 01:35 PM

Well, aboutish. Generally I'd guess the x1800XT would be faster in more games and is more expensive. It comes down to how much you're willing to spend, although the x1900GT might have a better price/performance ratio. There are other alternatives if you are willing to go higher.
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 03:22 PM

OK some people have given me some suggestions so I have updated my list of stuff. Here is the new list:

Memory: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 - Retail

OS: Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2 - OEM

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 1066MHz FSB LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6400 - Retail

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Keyboard: Sunbeam EL-KB-07SL 2-Tone PS/2 Wired Standard Illuminated Keyboard - Retail

PSU: ENERMAX Whisper II EG565P-VE FMA(24P) ATX12V 535W Power Supply - Retail

Video card: Open Box: connect3D 3056 Radeon X1900XT 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - OEM

Monitor: Hanns·G JW-199DPB Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

HD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3250620AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Floppy drive: MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive - OEM

Case: APEVIA (ASPIRE) MX-PLEASURE-BK Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case ATX 500W dual fan w/ automatic fan speed control. Connector 20 + 4 pin Power Supply - Retail

Optical drive: LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model SHW160P6S05 - OEM


So how does the new list look? Hows the video card?

Also is the HD compatable with the mobo?

Edited by SPL Tech, 23 August 2006 - 04:01 PM.

CPU: Core Two Duo 2.13 GHz. E6400 OC'ed to 3.0 GHz. / 380 FSB RAM: 2 GB. Corsair 800 MHz. XMS2 DDR2
GPU: X1900XT 512MB Connect3D Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3
PSU: 535 watt Enermax Whisper II HD: (2) 320 GB. Seagate Barracuda 16 MB. 7,200 RPM SATA II
OD: 52X DVD±RW Monitors: (2) Hanns-G JW199D 19" 16:10 widescreen DVI in extended desktop mode

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 04:34 PM

Yes, the hard-drive is compatible with the motherboard.

Enermax makes great PSU's, good choice.

The x1900XT is a real high-end card and really good.

Nice motherboard.
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