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#1 U2foreverU2

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 04:41 AM

Lately I had some boot problems with my PC. I changed PSU and updated BIOS. After resolving (at least it seems for the moment) by changing option AI overclocking [AUTO] into [STANDARD] in the Bios settings my pc didn't show any boot problems anymore but it seems my PC performance is not exactly as it was before. Maybe it's just my impression but because of that I would like if somebody could take a look at some of my bios settings and maybe can give me some suggestions of what is wrong or what could be better. But it has to be clear that I don't intend to overclock my PC. I just want a good performance of my PC. I have used program Everest to get some information of my PC. For example I found it strange that somewhere (northbridge information) it's "speaking" of DDR-SDRAM PC2500 memory type and somewhere else PC3200 (and I'm almost sure that the memory type is PC3200).
Maybe someone could also take a look at my FSB, Memory Bus & Chipset Bus Properties (speed, clock etc...)
Before maybe somebody answers.....you have to know that I'm not an EXPERT at all about HARDWARE material, BIOS SETTINGS, memory modules etc etc....
Underneath some PC information (I hope someone can have some suggestions for me):

General Information :
NorthBridge : VIA K8T800 Pro
NorthBridge : AMD K8 Bridge
SouthBridge : VT8237 PCI to ISA Bridge

NorthBridge Information :
Architecture : HUB
Manufacturer : VIA (ASUSTeK Computer Inc)
Revision : 00

NorthBridge Information :
Architecture : HUB
Manufacturer : AMD
Revision : 00
HTT Frequency : 200.3 MHz
Memory Frequency (max.) : 200 MHz

Memory Information :
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC2500
Frequency : 157.3 MHz

FSB/RAM Multiplier : CPU/14x
Supported Channels : Dual
Activated Channels : Dual
ECC Diagnostic : No
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2.5 clocks
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 3 clocks
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 3 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 8 clocks
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) : 11 clocks
DRAM Idle Timer : 16 clocks

APIC Information :
Version : 0.03
Maximum Interrupts : 24
IRQ Handler enabled : Yes

Device Capabilities :
Latency Timer : 64 clocks
I/O Access : No
Memory Access : Yes
Bus Master Capable : Yes
Special Cycle Recognition : No
Memory Write & Invalidate : No
VGA Palette Snoop : No
Parity Error Response : No
Cycle Wait : No
System Error Line : Yes
Fast Back-to-Back : No
Detects Parity Errors : No
User Defined Format : No
PCI 66Mhz Bus Support : Yes
New Capability List : Yes
PCI Support : AGP
PCI Support : Power Management Interface
PCI Support : Hyper-Transport
PCI Support : Hyper-Transport

General Information :
DIMM0 (RAS 0, RAS 1) : 512 (Double Bank)
DIMM1 (RAS 2, RAS 3) : 512 (Double Bank)

Information SPD EEPROM (DIMM0) :
Manufacturer : Unspecified
Part Number : Unspecified
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
Size : 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)

Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module EPP : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 8
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 Ás, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 2.5v
Manufacture : Week 255 of 2155
Supported Frequencies : 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2.5 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 8 clocks @200 MHz

Information SPD EEPROM (DIMM1) :
Manufacturer : Unspecified
Part Number : Unspecified
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
Size : 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module EPP : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 8
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 Ás, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 2.5v
Manufacture : Week 255 of 2155
Supported Frequencies : 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2.5 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 8 clocks @200 MHz

Information SPD EEPROM () :
Manufacturer : Unspecified
Part Number : Unspecified
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
Size : 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module EPP : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 8
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 Ás, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 2.5v
Manufacture : Week 255 of 2155
Supported Frequencies : 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2.5 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 8 clocks @200 MHz

Information SPD EEPROM () :
Manufacturer : Unspecified
Part Number : Unspecified
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
Size : 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module EPP : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 8
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 Ás, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 2.5v
Manufacture : Week 255 of 2155
Supported Frequencies : 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2.5 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 8 clocks @200 MHz

Memory Controller Information :
Memory Controller : ECC, SIMM, DIMM, SDRAM
Number of connectors : 2
Max. Module Size : 1024 MB
Max. Memory Size : 2048 MB
Supported Speed : 70ns, 60ns, 50ns
Supported Voltages : 2.9v
Error Detection Method : 64-bit ECC
Error Correction Capability : Unspecified
Current/Supported Interleave : 1-way/1-way
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Field Value
Motherboard Properties
Motherboard ID 63-1702-000001-00101111-111405-K8T800P$A0036001_BIOS DATE: 11/14/05 10:31:52 VER: 08.00.09
Motherboard Name Asus A8V Deluxe

Front Side Bus Properties
Bus Type AMD Hammer
Real Clock 200 MHz
Effective Clock 200 MHz
HyperTransport Clock 1000 MHz

Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type Dual DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 128-bit
DRAM:FSB Ratio CPU/14
Real Clock 157 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 315 MHz
Bandwidth 5035 MB/s

Chipset Bus Properties
Bus Type VIA V-Link
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (ODR)
Effective Clock 533 MHz
Bandwidth 533 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info
CPU Sockets/Slots 1 Socket 939
Expansion Slots 5 PCI, 1 AGP
RAM Slots 4 DDR DIMM
Integrated Devices Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394
Form Factor ATX
Motherboard Size 240 mm x 300 mm
Motherboard Chipset K8T800Pro
Extra Features Asus Intelligence, JumperFree, Q-Fan 2, Stepless Freq Selection, Ultra-ATA/133, SATA, RAID

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Field Value
CPU Properties
CPU Type AMD Athlon 64 3500+
CPU Alias Venice S939
CPU Stepping DH-E3
CPUID CPU Name AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor 3500+
CPUID Revision 00020FF0h

CPU Speed
CPU Clock 2202.9 MHz (original: 2200 MHz)
CPU Multiplier 11.0x
CPU FSB 200.3 MHz (original: 200 MHz)
Memory Bus 157.3 MHz
DRAM:FSB Ratio CPU/14

CPU Cache
L1 Code Cache 64 KB (Parity)
L1 Data Cache 64 KB (ECC)
L2 Cache 512 KB (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

Motherboard Properties
Motherboard ID 63-1702-000001-00101111-111405-K8T800P$A0036001_BIOS DATE: 11/14/05 10:31:52 VER: 08.00.09
Motherboard Name Asus A8V Deluxe (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)

Chipset Properties
Motherboard Chipset VIA K8T800Pro, AMD Hammer
Memory Timings 2.5-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Command Rate (CR) 2T

SPD Memory Modules
DIMM1 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM3 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM4 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)

BIOS Properties
System BIOS Date 11/14/05
Video BIOS Date 05/09/16
DMI BIOS Version 1017.002

Graphics Processor Properties
Video Adapter Sapphire Radeon 9250
GPU Code Name RV280 (AGP 8x 1002 / 5960, Rev 01)
GPU Clock 241 MHz (original: 240 MHz)
Memory Clock 200 MHz (original: 200 MHz)

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:59 AM

Your memory is running at PC2500. The reason it somewhere says PC3200 is because that is what the SPD chip on the memory module is reporting the memory to be rated at. The problem is that you are running at a memory divider of CPU/14. To get your memory running at correct speed you need a memory divider of CPU/11. It sounds like some overclocking left-over. Are you sure you've turned of all overclocking?

Also, a BIOS update might be needed if it happens to have some bug in it that is causing this.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 02:25 PM

Thnx for responding me so soon !
I don't think (but I'm not sure) I did (by my own) some overclocking.
First of all I have to latest BIOS Update 1007.002. And I think that is the latest correct one for me, or not ?
Second I loaded the default settings and after that the only things I have changed manually is:
1) AI overclocking fm AUTO changed to standard
2) AGP Aperture Size - 64 MB (I'm not sure but with 128 MB or more I get messages again it seems !!)
3) AGP 3.0 Calibration Cycle fm DISABLED to ENABLED
4) Bank Interleaving fm DISABLED to ENABLED
5) Burst Lenght I leaved it to 4 Beats (although I have read to it is better to set it to 8 (but I don't understand the meaning of it.
6) Onboard Promise Controller to DISABLED (because I don't use RAID)

Because I changed option AI overclocking to STANDARD, you cannot change other things CPU Freq, CPU speed manually. So I really don't understand why memory divider of CPU/14 instead of CPU/11 and why memory is running at PC2500. Conclusion I don't have no idea where there is some overclocking left over ??
It's not (maybe) because of 4 strips of 512 MB (PC3200) (manufacturer = S3+) and my machine cannot handle them ??

I hope you can resolve this matter for me, because you can understand that if you spend some money for a nice PC (do I have a nice one by the way, do you think ?) you also want the best of it, right ?

Anyway....already thx in advance

Your memory is running at PC2500. The reason it somewhere says PC3200 is because that is what the SPD chip on the memory module is reporting the memory to be rated at. The problem is that you are running at a memory divider of CPU/14. To get your memory running at correct speed you need a memory divider of CPU/11. It sounds like some overclocking left-over. Are you sure you've turned of all overclocking?

Also, a BIOS update might be needed if it happens to have some bug in it that is causing this.



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Posted 22 August 2006 - 03:52 PM

Have you tried to manually set it at the correct speed?
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:37 PM

Maybe by the way I wrote it may seem I know a bit a about the bios settings. But I really don't know a lot about them. So I would really be grateful if you could tell me the best (and safest !) way to set up (manually) the correct speed.

Thx again for yr response


Have you tried to manually set it at the correct speed?



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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:40 AM

There should be somewhere a possibility to change a setting named memory speed or memory clock or memory ratio or some such.
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 11:06 AM

1)
I changed it (memory configuration) into LIMIT. There I saw it was on Memclock Mode to CPU ratio 1:1. After I changed that to 2:1 DDR400 the program Everest recognized PC3200 ram. Is this right what I've done ??
Unfortunately several times again I have boot up problems. Especially with a cold boot (for example in the morning). Then it hangs ! After trying some times to switch on and off I manage to boot up and most of the times I get the message "System Failed Due to CPU overclocking". But I never overclocked !!!

2)
I still have the feeling that some of my BIOS settings are not good. Maybe my Voltage settings (for my Athlon 64 3500+) are not correct. I've tried now a small program Central Brain Identifier (looks a little like CPU-Z) and it shows for example:
Current Voltage : 1,134
Start-Up : 1,400
Minimum : 1,100
Max: 1,450

Last notation:
Is it correct that my Radeon 9250 has GPU clock : 241 and memory clock: 200 ??

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 12:17 PM

You mentioned that you've flashed the BIOS. Have you cleared the CMOs after that in case some wierd setting was left spooking around? There are instructions for doing so in the motherboard manual. After you would likely have to re-set all settings in BIOS, but it should flush out all wierd stuff.

The voltages do not seem strange if you have Cool & Quiet enabled. If you have, you could try turning it of and see if it helps. Who knows, maybe it is part of the problem.

The clocks for the Radeon 9250 are OK. Well the GPU clock should be 240, but 1MHz doesn't matter.
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 02:12 PM

1)
Onestly I don't remember if I cleared the CMOS (removing battery, changing jumper in position 2-3 for 5 seconds and the back to pos. 1-2) before or after flashing BIOS. I only remember (if I'm correct) that after flashing I got BAD Bios Cheksum and after that I had to change (in BIOS) DATE + TIME.
For flashing I just had the (new) A8V.rom on floppy.
Did I do something wrong or is it better to re-do it (with the same version 1017.002) ?
I mean trying to re-update. Or is that not good or dangerous ??
You know....my PC is still under garancy.

2)
Cool & Quiet is DISABLED
I've tried it once (also installed the drivers and program), but because it didn't resolve anything I turned it off.

3)
Is it normal that at start-up (the times it start up correctly...ha ha) I see BIOS version 1017.002, also programs like Everest recognized 1017.002 Build date 14/11/2005, but if you enter Main Menu in Bios you see
AMI Bios
Version : 08.00.09
Build Date : 14/11/05

It seems in Bios if date of the new version is correct but version name is different, or is this normal ? Because everywhere else my bios version is recognized as 1017.002.

Anyway.....on many forums I have seen that some Asus MOBO's have sometimes the same (no boot, System Failure...errors etc.) problems.
I have seen (like me) persons who wrote: "Yesterday my PC was still working OK and this morning I started to have these "weird" problems.


Thx again for helping me

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4) Was the following I did correct ? :
"I changed it (memory configuration) into LIMIT. There I saw it was on Memclock Mode to CPU ratio 1:1. After I changed that to 2:1 DDR400 the program Everest recognized PC3200 ram. Is this right what I've done ??"


You mentioned that you've flashed the BIOS. Have you cleared the CMOs after that in case some wierd setting was left spooking around? There are instructions for doing so in the motherboard manual. After you would likely have to re-set all settings in BIOS, but it should flush out all wierd stuff.

The voltages do not seem strange if you have Cool & Quiet enabled. If you have, you could try turning it of and see if it helps. Who knows, maybe it is part of the problem.

The clocks for the Radeon 9250 are OK. Well the GPU clock should be 240, but 1MHz doesn't matter.



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Posted 24 August 2006 - 02:44 PM

1)
Onestly I don't remember if I cleared the CMOS (removing battery, changing jumper in position 2-3 for 5 seconds and the back to pos. 1-2) before or after flashing BIOS. I only remember (if I'm correct) that after flashing I got BAD Bios Cheksum and after that I had to change (in BIOS) DATE + TIME.
For flashing I just had the (new) A8V.rom on floppy.
Did I do something wrong or is it better to re-do it (with the same version 1017.002) ?
I mean trying to re-update. Or is that not good or dangerous ??
You know....my PC is still under garancy.

Try clearing the CMOS according to the instruction in the motherboard manual. 1017.002 sounds like a BETA BIOS. Final release BIOS:es from ASUS do not have decimals. You can try flashing to the latest non-BETA BIOS.

2)
Cool & Quiet is DISABLED
I've tried it once (also installed the drivers and program), but because it didn't resolve anything I turned it off.

Are you sure Cool & Quiet is disabled in the BIOS?

3)
Is it normal that at start-up (the times it start up correctly...ha ha) I see BIOS version 1017.002, also programs like Everest recognized 1017.002 Build date 14/11/2005, but if you enter Main Menu in Bios you see
AMI Bios
Version : 08.00.09
Build Date : 14/11/05

It seems in Bios if date of the new version is correct but version name is different, or is this normal ? Because everywhere else my bios version is recognized as 1017.002.

The 08.00.09 is the BIOS version ASUS licensed from AMI and 1017.002 is ASUS' revision of it.

4) Was the following I did correct ? :
"I changed it (memory configuration) into LIMIT. There I saw it was on Memclock Mode to CPU ratio 1:1. After I changed that to 2:1 DDR400 the program Everest recognized PC3200 ram. Is this right what I've done ??"

Sounds about correct. Although having a 1:1 ratio should have given you PC3200. I'm getting a bad feeling about this.
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 04:02 PM

1) It's not a BETA version. It was fm the official ASUS site (and there was nowhere written BETA)
See here:
Version 1017 2005/12/05 update
Description A8V Deluxe BIOS 1017
Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx
Fix full logo disappear when clear CMOS
Add warning for USB overcurrent situation
Fix report wrong CPU model name
File Size 418.73 (KBytes)

So what do you think it's the best thing to do now ?

2) I'm sure Cool & Quiet is DISABLED in BIOS

3) Strange (not) that Ratio 1:1 is not given me (back) my PC3200

Also I'm getting bad feelings about all this and I'm losing a little bit all the hope to bring back my PC in his old state.

I also cannot understand that I don't have (always) the problems. Most of the times just with a cold boot. Rebooting fm within XP is never getting any problems !

I know it's very hard for you to understand what's wrong but do you maybe have some last suggestions and if so can you pls also tell me the safest way (and in which order) I have to handle.

Many many thanks again for trying to help me.

Best regards


1)
Onestly I don't remember if I cleared the CMOS (removing battery, changing jumper in position 2-3 for 5 seconds and the back to pos. 1-2) before or after flashing BIOS. I only remember (if I'm correct) that after flashing I got BAD Bios Cheksum and after that I had to change (in BIOS) DATE + TIME.
For flashing I just had the (new) A8V.rom on floppy.
Did I do something wrong or is it better to re-do it (with the same version 1017.002) ?
I mean trying to re-update. Or is that not good or dangerous ??
You know....my PC is still under garancy.

Try clearing the CMOS according to the instruction in the motherboard manual. 1017.002 sounds like a BETA BIOS. Final release BIOS:es from ASUS do not have decimals. You can try flashing to the latest non-BETA BIOS.

2)
Cool & Quiet is DISABLED
I've tried it once (also installed the drivers and program), but because it didn't resolve anything I turned it off.

Are you sure Cool & Quiet is disabled in the BIOS?

3)
Is it normal that at start-up (the times it start up correctly...ha ha) I see BIOS version 1017.002, also programs like Everest recognized 1017.002 Build date 14/11/2005, but if you enter Main Menu in Bios you see
AMI Bios
Version : 08.00.09
Build Date : 14/11/05

It seems in Bios if date of the new version is correct but version name is different, or is this normal ? Because everywhere else my bios version is recognized as 1017.002.

The 08.00.09 is the BIOS version ASUS licensed from AMI and 1017.002 is ASUS' revision of it.

4) Was the following I did correct ? :
"I changed it (memory configuration) into LIMIT. There I saw it was on Memclock Mode to CPU ratio 1:1. After I changed that to 2:1 DDR400 the program Everest recognized PC3200 ram. Is this right what I've done ??"

Sounds about correct. Although having a 1:1 ratio should have given you PC3200. I'm getting a bad feeling about this.



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Posted 24 August 2006 - 05:22 PM

Two things:

1017 is not a BETA, no, but 1017.002 is. It is BETA2 of 1017 and is what you posted earlier that you have. You should flash to the final 1017 BIOS if 1017.002 is what you have.

You said Central Brain Identifier gave you a voltage of 1,134. Can you verify this with CPU-Z or Everest?
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 05:38 PM

1)
I don't understand BETA2 of 1017. I downloaded it fm ASUS site and it seemed ok.
But here the complete information what PC Wizard 2006 gave me:
Manufacturer : American Megatrends Inc.
Version : 1017.002
Date : 14 novembre 2005
Address : 0xF000 on 512 KB
Copyright : ©2002 American Megatrends, Inc
Motherboard ID : 63-1702-000001-00101111-111405-K8T800P-A0036001
OEM Signature : BIOS Date: 11/14/05 10:31:52 Ver: 08.00.09
DMI Version : 2.3
So can you give me a hint where to find the good and final one and the exact steps to take for flashing back (including CMOS clearing) ??

2)
CPU-Z : 1,376 V
Everest : 1,34 V (CPU Core Voltage)

Strange there are some differences

Do you maybe know the right voltages for my Athlon 64 3500+
CPU voltage (is that the same as Vcore ?), AGP voltage, DDR voltage etc.

I dont know how much I have to thank you for yr help....

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 05:56 PM

Download the 1017 from ASUS site and flash to it. After that clear CMOS. The instructions are in your motherboard manual.

vCore and CPU voltage is the same thing, yes. The 3500+ has a vCore of 1.35 or 1.4 depending on which version. A small variation in vCore is not uncommon. So that seems fine.
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