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#1 Dragonsmight

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 02:00 AM

After a few post on different forums and combining builds from different suggestions this is what I came up with.  Looking at this being a final check/tweak post before I click order. PC will be used mainly for gaming.  Overwatch, FFXIV, L4D2, TF2, SC2 etc.


Case: NZXT H440 STEEL Mid Tower Case (does not come with optical drive bay)

Optical Drive: LG USB 2.0 Super-Multi Portable DVD 

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz

 

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-Z170XP-SLI

 

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SC

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4

 

PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 220-G2-0750-XR 80+ GOLD

HDD: SanDisk SD8SN8U-512G-1122 X400 M.2 2280 512GB Internal SSD (I have a 1TB normal HDD I'll install from my old rig)

 

Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

 

OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home - 64-bit - OEM  (I am still runing Vista so I am a bit behind)

Also have some thermal paste.

 

Looking for recommendations for a monitor as well.  Thank you for the advice.
 


Edited by Dragonsmight, 06 October 2016 - 02:01 AM.


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Posted 06 October 2016 - 03:24 AM

The build looks fine and quite practical for a nice high end build. Out of all the games you mentioned none of them other than OVW2 are demanding -- so you may want to think about what you can afford display wise and what resolution you want in a display. If 1080p you can save money with a GTX 1070, and possibly even a GTX 1060. GTX 1070 is still good with 2K @ 1440p. 4k then yes a GTX 1080 is prime -- so to speak.

 

Overall though your initial build list looks great.



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Posted 06 October 2016 - 02:43 PM

You wanted critic, here goes:

Case: See Optical drive.

Optical drive: External optical drives are slow. Consider internal one.

CPU: Considering i7-5820K is $389 and i7-6800K $439, paying $339 for quad core with crappy thermal paste under HS is waste of money if you ask me.

Motherboard: See CPU above, for i7-5820K and i7-6800K, LGA2011-3 motherboard is needed.

GPU: Because AMD is right now concentrating on grabbing market share on mid end cards, there is no competition on 14/16nm high end GPU's that means prices are very high. Also GTX 1080 has very poor support for asynchronous shaders/DirectX 12/Vulkan. So again waste of money to buy GTX 1080 right now if you ask me. Consider something much cheaper (AMD RX480/RX 470 for example) now as it's easy to switch graphic card to something better later and GTX 1080 is overpriced just like GTX 980 Ti was (price dropped $300 in one day). Games you listed are also quite light so if you want to invest, put some more money on CPU instead.

RAM/PSU: OK

HDD: In case you want M.2 SSD, you also would want it to be faster than SATA SSD's, right? Well, that's just SATA SSD on M.2 form factor. Either buy something faster or switch to SATA SSD.

Cooler: OK but I would consider something better.

OS: Windows 10 Retail/FPP is better and not much more expensive.

You said something about old rig, what parts it has?



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Posted 06 October 2016 - 07:15 PM

You wanted critic, here goes:

Case: See Optical drive.

Optical drive: External optical drives are slow. Consider internal one.

CPU: Considering i7-5820K is $389 and i7-6800K $439, paying $339 for quad core with crappy thermal paste under HS is waste of money if you ask me.

Motherboard: See CPU above, for i7-5820K and i7-6800K, LGA2011-3 motherboard is needed.

GPU: Because AMD is right now concentrating on grabbing market share on mid end cards, there is no competition on 14/16nm high end GPU's that means prices are very high. Also GTX 1080 has very poor support for asynchronous shaders/DirectX 12/Vulkan. So again waste of money to buy GTX 1080 right now if you ask me. Consider something much cheaper (AMD RX480/RX 470 for example) now as it's easy to switch graphic card to something better later and GTX 1080 is overpriced just like GTX 980 Ti was (price dropped $300 in one day). Games you listed are also quite light so if you want to invest, put some more money on CPU instead.

RAM/PSU: OK

HDD: In case you want M.2 SSD, you also would want it to be faster than SATA SSD's, right? Well, that's just SATA SSD on M.2 form factor. Either buy something faster or switch to SATA SSD.

Cooler: OK but I would consider something better.

OS: Windows 10 Retail/FPP is better and not much more expensive.

You said something about old rig, what parts it has?

 

First of thanks for the reply!

 

The case doesn't have an internal optical bay drive.  I guess there is a way to install Windows 10 from a USB so I am going to look into that. 

 

I originally had a 6800K but was advised that it was overkill just for gaming and with no plans on overclocking.

 

As for the GPU I have had better luck with NVIDIA so I will most likely stick with them.  Consider a 1070 maybe?

 

Not sure what the difference between what I linked for OS and FPP. Should i be getting this instead? Microsoft Windows 10 Home - Full Version Why is it better?

 

I heard that about the HDD before but I'm not quite sure what you guys mean, can you point me to one that is a true M.2?

 

Here is my old rig.


Edited by Dragonsmight, 06 October 2016 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2016 - 07:17 PM

The build looks fine and quite practical for a nice high end build. Out of all the games you mentioned none of them other than OVW2 are demanding -- so you may want to think about what you can afford display wise and what resolution you want in a display. If 1080p you can save money with a GTX 1070, and possibly even a GTX 1060. GTX 1070 is still good with 2K @ 1440p. 4k then yes a GTX 1080 is prime -- so to speak.

 

Overall though your initial build list looks great.

 

Thanks, i'll look into a 1070 with a 2k monitor!



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Posted 07 October 2016 - 12:59 AM

First of thanks for the reply!
 
The case doesn't have an internal optical bay drive.  I guess there is a way to install Windows 10 from a USB so I am going to look into that. 
 
I originally had a 6800K but was advised that it was overkill just for gaming and with no plans on overclocking.
 
As for the GPU I have had better luck with NVIDIA so I will most likely stick with them.  Consider a 1070 maybe?
 
Not sure what the difference between what I linked for OS and FPP. Should i be getting this instead? Microsoft Windows 10 Home - Full Version Why is it better?
 
I heard that about the HDD before but I'm not quite sure what you guys mean, can you point me to one that is a true M.2?
 
Here is my old rig.


Your old rig has 4 core 8 thread CPU and you are switching to 4 core 8 thread CPU. That's very small upgrade. I suggest you overclock that i7-920 so that it's not noticably slower than 6700K or buy somethinbg much better (like i7-6800K).

You can transfer Windows 10 full version to another machine.

"True M.2" drives (not just SATA drives on M.2 form factor) like Samsung 950 Pro overheat during use so I cannot recommend them.

So my suggestion: overclock your current CPU, get better video card and SSD drive like Crucial BX100 and you'll be fine. When your current CPU is overclocked, it's hard to notice difference between it and 6700K. You also save lot of money.

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Posted 07 October 2016 - 02:35 AM

Hold on here. An I7_920 is 1st gen, and comparable to an FX 8350 in terms of game scaling (raw power). It's not even remotely close to a 6700k when comparing the scaling/resolution aspect when implementing higher end GPU's and using higher resolutions. The 6800k is only better than the 6700k in terms of multitasking (extremely heavy), and video processing on a professional level in terms of time to render, and streaming capabilities. The 6700k is as powerful in regrds to gaming scalability as the 6800k, and even more so in some cases. Mostly though, the 6700k and 6800k are the same with gaming -- more or less. Spending tons more for a 6800k makes zero sense if all you will do is game, and even then, creating professional videos in a virtual snap is very easy with a current I7 6th gen 6700k. I mean it's not like it's a 3570k, or 4690k I5. Overclocking the I7_920. Not a bad idea at all, and that I7 is still doing ok. But  I would not compare it to a 6700k.


Edited by Zone_86, 07 October 2016 - 02:39 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2016 - 07:23 AM

Hold on here. An I7_920 is 1st gen, and comparable to an FX 8350 in terms of game scaling (raw power). It's not even remotely close to a 6700k when comparing the scaling/resolution aspect when implementing higher end GPU's and using higher resolutions. The 6800k is only better than the 6700k in terms of multitasking (extremely heavy), and video processing on a professional level in terms of time to render, and streaming capabilities. The 6700k is as powerful in regrds to gaming scalability as the 6800k, and even more so in some cases. Mostly though, the 6700k and 6800k are the same with gaming -- more or less. Spending tons more for a 6800k makes zero sense if all you will do is game, and even then, creating professional videos in a virtual snap is very easy with a current I7 6th gen 6700k. I mean it's not like it's a 3570k, or 4690k I5. Overclocking the I7_920. Not a bad idea at all, and that I7 is still doing ok. But  I would not compare it to a 6700k.


i7-920 can easily overclock around 3.4 GHz and after that change to i7-6700K is mostly waste considering price difference. Paying around $450 for bit faster quad core CPU, well makes no sense IMO. Bigger resolutions put more load to GPU, very little (or none) more to CPU.

6700K is good for gaming now, but 6800K is good for future too. When DX12/Vulkan games get more attention, hexa and octa cores have more use for gaming too. Also, as I said, i7-920 is 4C/8T part and so is 6700K too so it's not simply not enough to make it worthwhile upgrade. Personally I have doubled core count (or at least thread count) on every upgrade since Athlon64 3200+ single core. And because I now have FX-8320 I don't even consider anything less than 8 core 16 thread CPU for next upgrade.

Edited by Drillingmachine, 07 October 2016 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 08 October 2016 - 02:48 AM

I get where you are coming from. Thing is it's not a $450.00 difference from a i7 920 to a I7 6700k. It's about $330.00. Does it make sense? Depends on the other upgrades the user plans on making and also depends on how much money the user has to spend. 6800k is good for the future too but so is the 6700k. Both have strong cores, and the other with more threaded capabilities. That only comes into play if you like your videos edited at a faster speed. or if the user cares about streaming. Fact is, if you don't mind moderate overclocking, and gaming is the primary priority I can easily put together a build with a H170 (yes I said h170) and a 6600k that can be overclocked to 4.5 GHZ  easily overtake a stock 6700k in frame rates -- and, it leaves and FX 8320 or I7 920 in the dust.

 

What matters with gaming is not so much all the tenticals of an octopus (8 core FX 8320/8350) but the pure core strength and the efficiency of those cores in the die process on a scalability measurement with regards to GPU improvements and resolutions played. I7 920 is still fine yes, but it's fine within it's scale. Just like your FX 8320 is a very good processor for your money paid. I do not worry about core count, I care about core strength. 6700k or 6800k are both great.


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Posted 08 October 2016 - 12:38 PM

I get where you are coming from. Thing is it's not a $450.00 difference from a i7 920 to a I7 6700k. It's about $330.00. Does it make sense?


I didn't thought motherboard is free :)

Depends on the other upgrades the user plans on making and also depends on how much money the user has to spend. 6800k is good for the future too but so is the 6700k. Both have strong cores, and the other with more threaded capabilities. That only comes into play if you like your videos edited at a faster speed. or if the user cares about streaming. Fact is, if you don't mind moderate overclocking, and gaming is the primary priority I can easily put together a build with a H170 (yes I said h170) and a 6600k that can be overclocked to 4.5 GHZ  easily overtake a stock 6700k in frame rates -- and, it leaves and FX 8320 or I7 920 in the dust.
 
What matters with gaming is not so much all the tenticals of an octopus (8 core FX 8320/8350) but the pure core strength and the efficiency of those cores in the die process on a scalability measurement with regards to GPU improvements and resolutions played. I7 920 is still fine yes, but it's fine within it's scale. Just like your FX 8320 is a very good processor for your money paid. I do not worry about core count, I care about core strength. 6700k or 6800k are both great.


6800K is much better for future as games will increasingly start to use more than 4 threads. And considering price difference that is quite small, i7-6800K price is justified.

General rule has applied for about 15 years for now and it still applies: if price difference is not big and CPU architecture is same or almost same, pick CPU that has most cores/threads.

While it may not be best choice immediately, within 2 years it will be. Not a single exception come in mind.

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 04:32 PM

That is what they said about the FX 8150/8320/8300 about 5 years go but as you can see that theory never really came ro fruition for the most part because for the few games that really did take advantage of more than 4 cores, in the end what really mattered was the strength of cores -- so consequently the I5 2500k still outperforms the former listed in all games and they scale better as you increase GPU power than the former listed. The 6700k is extra threaded as well being an I7. By the time new games really do take advantage of this, and I do agree about half of them well in about 2-3-4 years -- we will have already moved on from 6700/6800k. In the mean time you can run any relatively modern processor, from an FX 6300-8320-8350, to an older I5 series 3570k4670k-4690k and do just fine if you choose a good GPU. All of these processors are game worthy it's just a matter of the degree of performance they give. Lots are still using the I5 2500k (or 3570k) with new GPU's and still doing quite well. Some hardware upgrade holdouts are still using 1st gen I7 920, or I5 860, and with an OC they perform about on par with the AMD Phenom II 975/FX 8320 etc.

 

With regards to gaming IMO the sweet spot is a FX8350/4670k/4690k/6600k with a GTX 1070 or RX 480. Not an I7 series 6700/6800/6850k etc.



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Posted 17 October 2016 - 02:26 PM

That is what they said about the FX 8150/8320/8300 about 5 years go but as you can see that theory never really came ro fruition for the most part because for the few games that really did take advantage of more than 4 cores, in the end what really mattered was the strength of cores -- so consequently the I5 2500k still outperforms the former listed in all games and they scale better as you increase GPU power than the former listed. The 6700k is extra threaded as well being an I7. By the time new games really do take advantage of this, and I do agree about half of them well in about 2-3-4 years -- we will have already moved on from 6700/6800k. In the mean time you can run any relatively modern processor, from an FX 6300-8320-8350, to an older I5 series 3570k4670k-4690k and do just fine if you choose a good GPU. All of these processors are game worthy it's just a matter of the degree of performance they give. Lots are still using the I5 2500k (or 3570k) with new GPU's and still doing quite well. Some hardware upgrade holdouts are still using 1st gen I7 920, or I5 860, and with an OC they perform about on par with the AMD Phenom II 975/FX 8320 etc.
 
With regards to gaming IMO the sweet spot is a FX8350/4670k/4690k/6600k with a GTX 1070 or RX 480. Not an I7 series 6700/6800/6850k etc.

+1 on this. Most games now only need 4 cores. Even with 4 cores the bigger bottleneck is the GPU.

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