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#1 Jeremy_C

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 12:31 AM

No kidding, there I Was...

Sorry, I just love stories that start off that way. I finally paved over Win XP with Mint (MATE) and the first experimental box in my home lab is now 100% Linux. Damn that feels good!

It occurred to me that there may never be a better time to start playing around with stuff then about 5 minutes after a fresh install. Gary turned me on to some great backup and restore software (Aptik & TimeShift) but I Wanted to do some things now, not after a bunch of updates, etc.

So, I got started with that wonderful toy I keep hearing about called VirtualBox. Caught a few snags, but eventually got it up and going. The first thing (the only thing) I tried on it has been Ubuntu 16. Runs pretty bad right now, very sluggish. Tried some different stuff, including YouTube which stutters, hesitates, freezes, and even makes my mouse cursor disappear for brief moments of time.

I've tried playing with the settings, but not much has seemed to help. Also, I have some other issues that come up when it comes to settings, etc. For one, I had to install a 32-bit version of Ubuntu because it will not give me the 64-bit option - even though I'm running Mint 64-bit. I've tried BIOS settings and a few of the other things that I was brave enough to risk, but nothing changed. Also, the first time I tried to install Ubuntu, I got some error ("VT-x is not available) message that many Google search results claim to have something to do with virtualization. Back to the BIOS I go and tried some other things for that as well. No luck.

The thing that finally worked was advice from a post on StackOverflow that suggested I drop my RAM setting from where it was (4 MB in my case) down to 3175 MB or less. That just seemed strange and ambiguous, but I was still trying stuff, so what the heck? Well, it worked, Ubuntu started installing straight away the very next time I tried it after messing with the RAM. That was weird.

Next, after it installed and restarted, I kept getting a screen full of different colored lines where the Virtual screen should have been. Back to Google... Seems that using the Right CTRL key pressed at the same time as the F1 key changed the screen around, and if immediately followed it up with the Right CTRL pressed at the same time as the F7 key, the screen would flash and then appear normal. Not sure what that's all about, but it seems to reset the screen somehow. All I know is that it works.

So, I finally had it up and running and that's when I tried YouTube and some other sites. It seems only videos really hammer the system and cause huge lag spikes, mouse issues, etc. Some other sites took a bit longer than normal to load, and sometimes graphics (such as PhotoBucket) sites would take longer to load or render images. But it was mostly sites with video players that really seemed to piss it off the most. Of course, all this was done with no extra plug-ins for protection or ad-blocking or anything. I wanted to see how performance was in the raw before disabling everything in sight (which is what I will eventually do!) :grinner:

I also noticed that when I moved the Ubuntu ISO from my Desktop and put it in a folder, VirtualBox didn't like that very much either. That seems strange because I swear I set up the virtual drive with 10 GB of space for Ubuntu to be installed on. So why would it care about the ISO once it was allegedly installed?

I've got many more things to try, and other distro's to try. But for now, even running sluggish, VirtualBox is kicking Dual-Boot's butt all over the place. I'll keep trying to adjust settings and see what else happens. It's only got one core dedicated to it right now, and maybe 1GB of video RAM. The RAM setting is at 3175 because that seems to be the only way it will even start right now. But I'll keep trying.

Anyone has any ideas, advice, etc., about VirtualBox (or related) please post away. Being brand new at this, I'm looking for all the insight I can get.

And a big thanks to all of you for helping me get this far!!! :thumbup2:

Edited by Al1000, 04 February 2017 - 05:43 PM.
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Posted 23 September 2016 - 04:00 AM

Hi Jeremy_C,

 

You should really look into the fact that there's no hardware virtualization available. VirtualBox or any other VM solution will never run fast without that! If it's supported you should find it somewhere in the BIOS...

 

Did you install the "VirtualBox Extension Pack" on your Host?

 

Can you give me the output from your Host running these commands:

inxi -Fz
lscpu

Greets!  :wink:



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Posted 23 September 2016 - 04:45 AM

No, I did not install this (yet) on the machine. I didn't even know that it existed.  :smash: 

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System: Host: Mint-Box Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: MATE 1.12.0 Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Machine: System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Compaq dx2400 Microtower PC
Mobo: PEGATRON model: 2A73h v: 1.01
Bios: American Megatrends v: 5.35 date: 12/16/2008
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
clock speeds: max: 2500 MHz 1: 2500 MHz 2: 2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF119 [GeForce GT 610]
Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1440x900@59.9hz, 1440x900@59.9hz
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVD9 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.5.9
Audio: Card-1 NVIDIA GF119 HDMI Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-2 Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-32-generic
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
driver: r8169
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives: HDD Total Size: 1570.3GB (73.6% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500AAJS size: 250.1GB
ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: HM321HI size: 320.1GB
ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: HD105SI size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 222G used: 21G (10%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 71.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 48.0
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 174 Uptime: 3:35 Memory: 1483.2/7984.0MB
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.28


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Architecture: x86_64
CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order: Little Endian
CPU(s): 2
On-line CPU(s) list: 0,1
Thread(s) per core: 1
Core(s) per socket: 2
Socket(s): 1
NUMA node(s): 1
Vendor ID: GenuineIntel
CPU family: 6
Model: 23
Stepping: 6
CPU MHz: 2500.000
BogoMIPS: 4999.95
L1d cache: 32K
L1i cache: 32K
L2 cache: 2048K
NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0,1


A programmer's wife sends him to the store for a gallon of milk,

and she adds the instructions, "If there are eggs, buy a dozen."

The programmer goes to the store and returns home with 13 gallons of milk.


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 05:26 AM

As far as I can see that CPU doesn't support Virtualization... and is "a bit" on the low end for running VM's.

You will only be able to run 32 bit (x86) VM's.

Dual core Pentium E5200

 

I see that you are running the "nouveau-drivers", maybe using the NVIDIA drivers could improve the performance somewhat?

You can try different ones (if there are other drivers) in the "Additional Drivers" and revert to the nouveau ones if necessary.

 

Greets!  :wink:

 

 



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Posted 23 September 2016 - 06:05 AM

and is "a bit" on the low end for running VM's.


I agree. I have the same problem with VMs with my old dual core CPU. They run, but are slow.

I see that you are running the "nouveau-drivers", maybe using the NVIDIA drivers could improve the performance somewhat?


I was going to say the same. :)

Hopefully Additional Drivers will recommend an nvidia driver for the card. The recommended driver should be labelled either "recommended" or "tested."

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 06:19 AM

Well, it bumped me up to

nvidia-352
Version: 352.63-0ubuntu0.14.04.1

The only reason I didn't do that before now was that so many people told me that they just install and go rather than tweaking everything in sight. I figured it was working as was, so if it isn't broke...

 

I need to restart before I'll know if there's any good or bad effects, but I wanted to post the update here before doing that.

 

Feel free to drop any other hints if there's anything else that'll help my old war wagon pick up any speed!  :thumbup2:

 

Really appreciate the help!


A programmer's wife sends him to the store for a gallon of milk,

and she adds the instructions, "If there are eggs, buy a dozen."

The programmer goes to the store and returns home with 13 gallons of milk.


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 06:41 AM

You're welcome!  :wink:
 

I need to restart before I'll know if there's any good or bad effects, but I wanted to post the update here before doing that.

Fingers crossed!  :wink:



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Posted 23 September 2016 - 06:56 AM

Well, just spent the last few minutes trying to find a solution to the latest event, lol.

 

And none of the popular suggestions from various boards, blogs ,etc., seem to be working.

 

When I rebooted, it appears that I had no menu panel. I've tried various fixes found from around the web, mostly typing things in terminal, but none of those have brought my menu back. :smash:

 

Never a dull day with Linux! :whistle:

 

Have to go do some more searching...


A programmer's wife sends him to the store for a gallon of milk,

and she adds the instructions, "If there are eggs, buy a dozen."

The programmer goes to the store and returns home with 13 gallons of milk.


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 07:00 AM

Reboot again


Condobloke ...Outback Australian  fed up with Windows antics...??....LINUX IS THE ANSWER....I USE LINUX MINT 18.3  EXCLUSIVELY.

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It has been said that time heals all wounds. I don't agree. The wounds remain. Time - the mind, protecting its sanity - covers them with some scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone. Rose Kennedy

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 07:07 AM

Reboot again

 

Ummmmmm... Not to sound too new at this, but... How do I do that with no buttons on my screen? Just manually power it down?


A programmer's wife sends him to the store for a gallon of milk,

and she adds the instructions, "If there are eggs, buy a dozen."

The programmer goes to the store and returns home with 13 gallons of milk.


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 07:16 AM

Nevermind. Found out that [ALT]+F1 brings up the menu panel on the desktop.

 

Re-booted the machine and now the menu panel is back.

 

Awesome!

 

Thank you!


A programmer's wife sends him to the store for a gallon of milk,

and she adds the instructions, "If there are eggs, buy a dozen."

The programmer goes to the store and returns home with 13 gallons of milk.


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 07:17 AM

you beat me to it !

 

or....click on terminal....and type in     reboot


Condobloke ...Outback Australian  fed up with Windows antics...??....LINUX IS THE ANSWER....I USE LINUX MINT 18.3  EXCLUSIVELY.

“A man travels the world in search of what he needs and returns home to find it."

It has been said that time heals all wounds. I don't agree. The wounds remain. Time - the mind, protecting its sanity - covers them with some scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone. Rose Kennedy

 GcnI1aH.jpg

 

 


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 07:22 AM

you beat me to it !

 

or....click on terminal....and type in     reboot

 

Also good to know!

 

Plus, I found a new way to bring up an application window, as well, with [ALT]+F2 keys.


Edited by Jeremy_C, 23 September 2016 - 07:22 AM.

A programmer's wife sends him to the store for a gallon of milk,

and she adds the instructions, "If there are eggs, buy a dozen."

The programmer goes to the store and returns home with 13 gallons of milk.


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 07:31 AM

Never a dull day with Linux! :whistle:

Exciting, isn't it... You think you've broken it but you didn't!  :P

 

 

Just to be certain, could you (again) post the output from:

inxi -Fz

so we know if the switch went OK and if you're good to go!
 
Greets!  :wink:


Edited by GNULINUX, 23 September 2016 - 07:32 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2016 - 07:34 AM

Sure thing! Really appreciate the help. Just need a second to switch keyboards. Still can't seem to get logged in with Firefox for some reason. I'll run it, toss it in Dropbox and then post it here in just about 60 seconds or so... Hold, please! :)


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