Hello All

Is it true the encryption works on the principle of 2 large prime numbers being multiplied by each other to give you a larger prime number?

Could someone explain in brief how this works if possible?

thanks

joe

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joeyh
, Sep 19 2016 05:15 PM

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 05:15 PM

Hello All

Is it true the encryption works on the principle of 2 large prime numbers being multiplied by each other to give you a larger prime number?

Could someone explain in brief how this works if possible?

thanks

joe

Posted 19 September 2016 - 05:44 PM

There are many, many hours of encryption/decryption theory available on Youtube, and, a truly enhanced understanding of encryption priciples is unlikely to occur after hearing a brief, "it is scrambled securely!" explanation without a thorough understanding of the higher level math involved.

Here's a link to some 13 + hours of lecture that is a brief introduction to cryptography! \

Enjoy!

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 01:20 PM

Yes it is true, for assymettric* encryption atleast. One of the best explanations I have seen was a little passage in a matkematics bok that took you through the process using small numbers (primes like 5 and 7), showed you what mathematical operations were performed from the creating of a publib/private key pair right through to the encryption and decryption processes. From memory, I read it years ago, the encyrpting and decrypting parts involve raising one number to another as a power, and then at some point the remainder of a division is found. Real encyrpion uses much bigger primes but similar mathematical steps. The underlying crucial fact is that multiplying two primes to get a product is dead easy, taking that product and working out the factorisations until you get back the two primes takes a lot of work. For 3x5=15 it's pretty easy either way. For 20 digit primes the multiplication is fast but the factorising would take years.

*The type generally used thesedays, where a different key is needed to encrypt than decrypt, so you can tell the world your public (to encrypt) key and keep secret your private (to decrypt) key, so anyone can encrypt a message to you but only you can read it.

**Edited by rp88, 20 September 2016 - 01:21 PM.**

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 01:36 PM

Hello all many thanks for the responses so far. So I keep reading and being told that working back is the hard bit. The stuff that takes years. I know little about cryptography in terms of degree standards but know the basics. And I believe I have a system that is so simple it's stupid. Like seeing a magic trick and then when you know how it's done being disappointed at how easy it is.

Anyway any suggestions on who I speak to, to prove this?

Thanks

Joe

Anyway any suggestions on who I speak to, to prove this?

Thanks

Joe

Posted 24 September 2016 - 03:44 PM

Is it true the encryption works on the principle of 2 large prime numbers being multiplied by each other to give you a larger prime number?

Yes, but when you multiply 2 primes you don't get a prime.

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Posted 04 October 2016 - 06:55 PM

Post #5
The product of two primes is not a prime, but it is a special number in the fact that it has only four numbers it can divide by they are:
1, the first prime, the second prime and itself.
So other than the trivial solution of the big number factorising down to 1 and itself there is only a single pair of numbers that can multiply to give it, these two numbers, the primes are it's factors. Multiplying them to make the big special number is very quick and easy, getting them back starting only from knowing the big number is slow and hard. That is the underlying mathematical fact but to use it to construct a working algorithm to start with a number (as all digital data is in effect numbers), encrypt it with that big number (on which the public key is based) and then be able to decrypt using the two prime factors of the big number is something rather trickier, well beyond my understanding.

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Posted 10 October 2016 - 05:30 PM

Prime Number. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PrimeNumber.html

Prime Factorization Algorithms. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PrimeFactorizationAlgorithms.html

Ebook: Prime Numbers: A Computational Perspective. http://thales.doa.fmph.uniba.sk/macaj/skola/teoriapoli/primes.pdf

Prime Factorization Algorithms. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PrimeFactorizationAlgorithms.html

Ebook: Prime Numbers: A Computational Perspective. http://thales.doa.fmph.uniba.sk/macaj/skola/teoriapoli/primes.pdf

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 05:25 AM

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 05:28 AM

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 05:26 AM

Just to add into the mix here (without having watched those 13 hours of videos beforehand so I don't know what he covers but probably pretty thorough) the idea is to have a mathematical function called a "trapdoor" function.

This is a function that is easy to perform one way, but nigh on impossible to reverse.

There are algorithms out there to speed up the factorisation process (see Crazy Cat's post above), but with 2048 bit RSA cryptography you're talking of numbers that are some 617 digits long when represented in decimal. It would take longer than the remaining life of the Universe to factorise N, where N is the 617-digit number produced when multiplying two large prime numbers P and Q together.

I can understand the mechanics behind RSA (it's actually not that difficult) but ECDH (Elliptic Curves Diffie Hellman) is another matter!

This is a function that is easy to perform one way, but nigh on impossible to reverse.

There are algorithms out there to speed up the factorisation process (see Crazy Cat's post above), but with 2048 bit RSA cryptography you're talking of numbers that are some 617 digits long when represented in decimal. It would take longer than the remaining life of the Universe to factorise N, where N is the 617-digit number produced when multiplying two large prime numbers P and Q together.

I can understand the mechanics behind RSA (it's actually not that difficult) but ECDH (Elliptic Curves Diffie Hellman) is another matter!

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