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#1 Viper_Security

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 06:41 PM

Hello Bleeping, i have an SSD in my lappy and my boot time is roughly 2-3 seconds and shutdown is 1-2.

 

Im Curious, what are your boot speeds (on *Nix) for 5400 rpm drive and a 7200 rpm drive.

 

thinking of getting 2-3 more Hdd's to install my linux's (Linuxi?) on and im wondering if 54 or 72 00 rpms is better, or if it matters.

 

(in hind-sight the 7200 should be faster, but any computer person can tell you it can vary. )

 

so im just looking for opinions /drive speeds on nix. (Debian and Arch)


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Posted 16 September 2016 - 07:48 PM

I've never really kept tack of how long it takes to boot up or shutdown my laptop, but your estimate sounds about how long it takes my laptop to power up and shutdown.



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Posted 16 September 2016 - 10:19 PM

I'm curious also Viper, I'll give you some boot times soon.  You will have to study the Spces in my Sig if you want detail.  The HP is the one with the HDD on it, 7200 rpm HDD and it is slooow to boot.  I thought it used to be faster but not sure now.  Slow CPU might be part of the problem, along with running KDE on this old machine.

 

You can also look at this test that Al1000 lined out for us.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/621040/test-the-write-speed-of-your-devices-using-dd/page-2#entry4049810


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Posted 17 September 2016 - 05:35 PM

Just booted Mint KDE and it was 1:03 to Login with a Total of about 2:00 once Conky comes up and all is ready to go.


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Posted 18 September 2016 - 06:47 AM

On my 'big' Compaq desktop PC, most of my Pups are up-and-running, ready to go, in around 35-40 secs. This from a 7200 rpm SATA III WD Caviar 'Blue', albeit plugged into a SATA I port.

 

Three of my Pups on here run from an IDE/PATA interface SSD; boot times are a wee bit faster for these....maybe 30 seconds. With Puppy, of course, the entire thing is being loaded into RAM.....but it runs like greased lightning once loaded.

 

On my 14-yr old Dell Inspiron lappie, also sporting an IDE/PATA interface SSD, boot times are perhaps in the order of around 50 seconds.....probably more due to the P4 than anything else!

 

 

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 01:40 PM

Debian LXDE frugal install (auto logs in 'user') - using mobile phone stopwatch and setting record points

 

0.18.4 BIOS ends

0.27.09 PC splash screen ends

0.30.73 Grub4dos menu.lst ends (after default 3 second timeout)

1.08.40 Desktop fully loaded and panel net connection icon pops up (ready to go).

 

... so 1 minute 8 seconds to desktop

 

I'm guessing those with a couple/few second 'boots' are from hibernated image restores not full cold boots?

 

My grub4dos boots initrd/vmlinuz which loads filesystem.squashfs (main filesystem all contained in a single sfs). The above default boot is a read-only session with all changes stored in ram, with option to flush those changes to disk (savefolder) ... or not. Another script provides remaster live session ... to create a new filesystem.squashfs with all changes merged into that. Timing of remaster time ... 1 min 48 seconds (mksquashfs uses lzo level 1 compression). 1.9GB filesystem.squashfs filesize (full debian jessie lxde, with firefox, chromimum, libre, audacity, openshot, blender, inkscape, skype, masterpdfeditor major applications included).

 

Operationally Libre calc takes around 3 seconds to load the first time (read from disk/IO), near instant on subsequent loads. Firefox typically takes around 4 or 5 seconds to load, no matter if its been loaded earlier in a single session. Most other programs are near instant, except skype which takes around 5 seconds the first time its run, 1 or 2 seconds on subsequent loads.


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 02:17 PM

the 1-3 second boots time on my laptop is with a Sandisk SSD+ SATA3. 6GB/s for linux mint 18 (Xenial I believe) and arch.

on windows 10 is was roughly 1-1.5 mins. if that.

 

atm my lappy does not have a "hibernate" option as the new battery is on it's way, and i have also turned off sleep and screensaver.

 

It is almost always started from a cold boot.

 

a full cold boot takes ABOUT 5 seconds tops for my machine.

 

and on a 5400rpm my mint 18 (same configuration) takes about 30-45 seconds 

and  on a 7200 the time i got was about 15-20, 25. seconds. 

 

still doing some testing though.

 

 

 

 

Thank you everyone for your input! :)


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 03:10 PM

That 'full cold boot' @ 5 seconds; is that 5 seconds from the instant you press the power key to the O/S being loaded, settled down, and everything ready to go? I don't want to sound churlish or anything, but I do find that very hard to believe...especially when other folks are so far reporting anywhere from 40 secs to 1 minute 15 or so.

 

 

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 03:23 PM

That 'full cold boot' @ 5 seconds; is that 5 seconds from the instant you press the power key to the O/S being loaded, settled down, and everything ready to go? I don't want to sound churlish or anything, but I do find that very hard to believe...especially when other folks are so far reporting anywhere from 40 secs to 1 minute 15 or so.

 

 

Mike.  :wink:

See, i knew it would come to this, and yes im positive, i mean im sitting right in front of it.

 

i hit the power button, and don't even have time to walk out of the doorway before it asks for my pass.

 

 

and as i have said before it's ABOUT 5 seconds to turn on. and once logged in everything works immediately. 


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 04:14 PM

Do you guys think my start times are normal?  I can only guess for this old pc with KDE on it, this is about right.

 

This is my thrasher KDE Install, I use it to do a lot of stuff, and it is 17.1, 17.2 or .3 has some improvement in startup if I remember right.  Been wanting to re-install, but with this old drive I think it best to just keep using it.  Here are the only two extra things in my .config/autostart, and I have "psensor" running but don't know when that is starting.

chris@chris-HP-Compaq-nx7400-EN352UTR-ABA:~ > ls /home/chris/.config/autostart/
conkystart.desktop  shutter.desktop

I see "psensor" now

chris@chris-HP-Compaq-nx7400-EN352UTR-ABA:~ > ls /etc/xdg/autostart
gsettings-data-convert.desktop   mintupdate.desktop   pulseaudio-kde.desktop
hplip-systray.desktop            mintupload.desktop   restorecond.desktop
kmix_autostart.desktop           mintwelcome.desktop  restore_kmix_volumes.desktop
korgac.desktop                   psensor.desktop
mint-ctrl-alt-backspace.desktop  pulseaudio.desktop

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:37 PM

 

That 'full cold boot' @ 5 seconds; is that 5 seconds from the instant you press the power key to the O/S being loaded, settled down, and everything ready to go? I don't want to sound churlish or anything, but I do find that very hard to believe...especially when other folks are so far reporting anywhere from 40 secs to 1 minute 15 or so.

 

 

Mike.  :wink:

See, i knew it would come to this, and yes im positive, i mean im sitting right in front of it.

 

i hit the power button, and don't even have time to walk out of the doorway before it asks for my pass.

 

 

and as i have said before it's ABOUT 5 seconds to turn on. and once logged in everything works immediately. 

 

Hmm. Admittedly, I'm very behind the times with this old Compaq of mine. It's 12 years old (pre-HP takeover); DDR1 RAM; I upgraded to the ATHLON 64 X2 myself from a single-core... OK, I use an SSD, but it's non-SATA. The main drive is SATA III, (but only running at SATA I speeds.) Puppy's 40 second boot-time I find very acceptable.....but compared to Skylakes, DDR4 RAM, SATA III SSDs & high-end graphic cards, it's like the Flintstone's 'car' compared to something like a Ferrari 599, or a Bugatti Veyron. It is so old fashioned, it's prehistoric when compared to present day cutting-edge tech.....so you'll have to excuse me for being hopelessly out of touch with modern standards..!

 

So, I'm a dinosaur..! I couldn't care less...it all still works perfectly. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts.....and Linux is helping me to do that at decent speeds, while also being light on resources. Works for me.

 

 

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 02:46 AM

You're not alone Mike, my BIOS alone takes 30 to 40 seconds to run through.

 

I'm old school, more familiar with first thing press the power on button, then head for the kettle, and by the time I come back with coffee/tea, its all good to go.


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Posted 20 September 2016 - 03:57 AM

9 year old custom built desktop pc with 7200 rpm HDD running Kubuntu 14.04.1:

26 seconds from pressing the power button to Grub boot menu.

23 seconds from Grub boot menu to log-in screen.

~20 seconds from log-in screen to desktop loaded and being ready to use.

So around 1 minute 9 seconds in total.

 

12 year old laptop with 5400 rpm HDD running AntiX 16:

6 seconds from pressing power button to Grub boot menu.

44 seconds from Grub boot menu to log-in screen.

~10 seconds from log-in screen to window manager loaded and being ready to use.

Around 1 minute in total



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Posted 20 September 2016 - 04:27 AM

Sorry about video quality,  Heres my PC booting and for this demo I turned off the need for a password to log in.

 

I5 processor 8GiB ram Sandisk 256GiBSSD

 

 

 

That 'full cold boot' @ 5 seconds; is that 5 seconds from the instant you press the power key to the O/S being loaded, settled down, and everything ready to go? I don't want to sound churlish or anything, but I do find that very hard to believe...especially when other folks are so far reporting anywhere from 40 secs to 1 minute 15 or so.

I would love to see it.

 

With a boot up time that fast wouldnt you have problems accessing BIOS?


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Posted 20 September 2016 - 05:02 AM

Just for fun heres my Windows 8 laptop booting, It has the same specs as the desktop I5 8GiB ram Sandisk 256GiB SSD.

 

 

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Any reference to me using Windows 8 will be deemed off topic LOL

 

 

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