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Building my first PC. Need some advice


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#1 rysix

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:41 AM

Hi, 

Hi, so in a few days I want to order my pc components and I need some help or suggestions. Build is for 1440p. Overclocking = yes.

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K, 3.5GHz

CPU Cooler: Master Thermalright Macho Rev. B
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX, DDR4, 2x8GB, 3000MHz, CL15
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 3.5\'\', 1TB, SATA/600, 7200RPM (a SSD I already got - Samsung 840 pro 256Gb)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Gaming 8GB GDDR5X
Case:  Fractal Design Define R5
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W

Monitor: acer predator xb271hubmiprz



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:01 AM

CPU: Hard to recommend 4 thread CPU for that budget. At least i7-6800K (as i7-6700K overpriced)
Cooler: OK
MB: If i7-6800K, then LGA2011-3 motherboard
Memory: OK
Storage: OK
Video card: Very expensive, overpriced and still slow considering technology available if you ask me
Case: OK
PSU: OK
Monitor: Very expensive and 4ms response time is not something that's OK with huge price tag

#3 rysix

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:03 AM

I dont need a i7 a i5 is more then enough. My b. i didnt say its only for gaming. Yeah but can you tell a difference between 4ms and 2ms ? so what you recommend a tn panel with bleep colours?



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:26 AM

I dont need a i7 a i5 is more then enough. My b. i didnt say its only for gaming. Yeah but can you tell a difference between 4ms and 2ms ? so what you recommend a tn panel with bleep colours?


Current games like 8 threads and DX12/Vulkan games even more.

4ms and 2ms have difference and for $750 monitor that's unacceptable. I didn't found any 1440p 27 inch IPS monitors with 2ms response time but that just tells that current technology is not good enough for that. It's your choice but I don't recommend products that are still on development stage.

As for video card, we already know that Nvidia can build 470mm2 part with HBM2 so GTX 1080 is essentially only for early adopters and so I cannot recommend it either.

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:43 AM

Yeah well of course they have already much more powerfull gpus but not for the consumer market. So what would you recommend? not a powerfull gpu and be able to play games only at medium on 1080p ?



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 05:02 AM

Yeah well of course they have already much more powerfull gpus but not for the consumer market. So what would you recommend? not a powerfull gpu and be able to play games only at medium on 1080p ?


GPU that able to play games high/very high on 1080p and save money for later.

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 05:11 AM

But the 1440p is now the sweet spot for gaming and will be standard mayby in 2,3 years so why should i go 1080p when this resolution is slowly dying

Going 1440p now is a little future proof dont you think ?


Edited by rysix, 21 August 2016 - 05:12 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 05:32 AM

But the 1440p is now the sweet spot for gaming and will be standard mayby in 2,3 years so why should i go 1080p when this resolution is slowly dying
Going 1440p now is a little future proof dont you think ?


Right now 1080p gaming is sweet spot, anything above that is still on development stage. While 1440p sounds future proof, it's very expensive future proof. Example prices:

"1440p future proof"

Monitor: $750 (1440p, 144 Hz, 4ms, Gsync)
Video card: $700 (GTX 1080)

"1080p mainstream"

Monitor: around $300 (144Hz Freesync, 1ms)
Video card: $300 (RX 480)

Save: $850

Pretty huge price tag for "future proof". Also good to remember that GTX 1080 is not enough for 1440p @ 144 Hz and card value is going to drop hugely. Just look at GTX 980 Ti. Launch price was around $700 and now it can be found around $440. Good to remember that GTX 980 Ti was launched just year ago and price drop was expected as nobody doubted 28nm card have chance against 16nm card.

Now situation today. GTX 1080 cost around $700. Does 314 mm2 card with GDDR5x have chance against 500 mm2 card with HBM2? No. So I expect GTX 1080 price drop quite heavily when next batch of cards arrive.

Next top end cards will most probably make 1440p mainstream and 4K achievable.

Edited by Drillingmachine, 21 August 2016 - 05:33 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM

Well i think you are right but i dont want to wait another year for my build you know, and i dont want to buy a medium pc just to buy a new one in a year or two. And the monitor is not like a gpu, you buy a great one and have it 5+ years or even longer

But i dont agree that 1080 is sweet point, the 1440p is you can get now a 1440p monitor for mayby 400 dolar it doesnt have to be a gsync. Gsync is making it much more expensive.


Edited by rysix, 21 August 2016 - 05:52 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 06:25 AM

I didn't say buying medium PC now. I said buying PC now that can be upgraded to high end.

CPU: i5-6600K vs i7-6800K: 6600K is bit weak even today's standards whereas i7-6800K can be expected to be good for at least 5 years. There isn't and will not be not be good upgrade path for i5-6600K.

Video card: GTX 1080 will lose much of it's value soon and is not really good enough for 1440p. Video card is easy to replace.

Monitor: Great monitor can last 5+ years but Acer Predator XB271 is not great, it's more for early adopters.

So buying i7-6800K system aimed for 108op will allow upgrade later to high end system. Considering situation after 1 year from now:

"1440p now"

Expenses: GTX 1080 cost $700 now, after one year it can probably be sold for $350, "great 1440p card" cost $700. Loss $1100.

Acer Predator XB271 cost $750 now. Selling it for about $550, "great monitor for 1440p" cost $750. Loss $950.

Total expenses: $2000

"1080p now and great 1440p 1 year later"

Expenses: RX 480 cost $300 now, after one year it can probably be sold for $200, "great 1440p card" cost $700. Loss $500.

Monitor cost $300 now, after one year it can probably be sold for $200, "great monitor for 1440p" cost $750. Loss $850.

Total expenses: $1350.

As you can see, if you want great 1440p video card and monitor, it makes sense buying 1080p stuff now and selling them after one year and buy that "great stuff" when that is available.


Edited by Drillingmachine, 21 August 2016 - 06:26 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 06:49 AM

Sure youre right but money is not a issue and in one year mayby someone else will say the same thing to wait or to build a weaker pc and then in another year upgrade. But how is a 1080 not good for 1440p ? when in witcher 3 you can get constantly 60 fps without hairworks on ultra

 

And the gtx 980ti costs now almost 500-550$ in Poland and at launch it was like 900$


Edited by rysix, 21 August 2016 - 07:02 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 07:28 AM

Sure youre right but money is not a issue and in one year mayby someone else will say the same thing to wait or to build a weaker pc and then in another year upgrade. But how is a 1080 not good for 1440p ? when in witcher 3 you can get constantly 60 fps without hairworks on ultra

 

And the gtx 980ti costs now almost 500-550$ in Poland and at launch it was like 900$

 

If money is not issue, then you don't have problems buying expensive stuff now. I doubt next year anyone recommends building weaker PC if you already have one. 60 FPS is not much as monitor supports 144/165 Hz. Or if 60 Hz is enough, then why waste money for 144 Hz display? That's the point, GTX 1080 is generally not enough for 1440p 144 Hz.

 

Different counrty, different prices. Price drop is huge anyway.



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 07:43 AM

I don't think you need a GTX 1080 for 1440p. I have read benchmarks where the GTX 1070 does fine @ 1440p.


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#14 rysix

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:56 PM

The first one says that 1080 is not enough for 1440p the second one says you dont need a 1080 a 1070 is enough

There is no difference between 60 fps on 60hz and 60 fps on 144hz so its more future proof to buy a good monitor for 5+ years. And the gtx 1080 is meant for 4k and the 1070 for 1440p so what are you saying that is not enough ? you will get a bunch of games running 100+ fps with the 1080 


Edited by rysix, 21 August 2016 - 04:02 PM.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 06:39 PM

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