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Use wireless keyboards? this may make you go wired again


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#1 MadmanRB

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 02:06 PM

http://www.zdnet.com/article/millions-of-wireless-keyboards-at-risk-of-spying-by-hackers-in-new-attack/?ftag=TRE17cfd61&bhid=26386582133954609784880949383528

 

Sheesh interesting stuff, sure ZDnet isnt my favorite source but man this is really nasty stuff.


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Posted 26 July 2016 - 04:19 PM

Well, at least I have wireless mouse so they can't find my passwords

 

Seriously, we need to switch to Bluetooth keyboard. The Bluetooth protocol is far far more secure than the proprietary protocol used by my mouse.

 

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Posted 27 July 2016 - 10:25 AM

Sheesh that's pretty terrifying. Add on the fact there is no fix, I think we should move to Bluetooth ASAP.



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Posted 28 July 2016 - 05:09 AM

It looks like time to throw away all our wireless devices including mobile phones.. Keysniffer can sniff data from as far away as 250ft.. thats like from the far end of your street.. read an interesting analysis of the Keysniffer .. an eye opener actually..

https://cyware.co/journal/how-keysniffer-sniff-private-data/



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Posted 28 July 2016 - 09:16 AM

It looks like time to throw away all our wireless devices including mobile phones.. Keysniffer can sniff data from as far away as 250ft.. thats like from the far end of your street.. read an interesting analysis of the Keysniffer .. an eye opener actually..

https://cyware.co/journal/how-keysniffer-sniff-private-data/

They both mention the same thing :) As for it getting data from phones, it did not mention that at all. All it mentioned was that Keysniffer can get data from wireless keyboards that send out packets of which key you press without encrypting it, and Bluetooth requires encryption because it is part of the standard. Manufacturers can add encryption to their own proprietary protocols as well

 

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Posted 28 July 2016 - 08:53 PM

This has been covered. http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/611442/encasing-a-computer-completely-no-transmissions/page-2#entry3984507
 

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Posted 28 July 2016 - 09:36 PM

Thank you. I have always been a champions for wired configurations, whether mouse, keyboard or internet. Now I have something to show them when my friends show off there fancy wireless devices. :devil: I have heard some people say that new Bluetooth can have less latency because it doesn't have to go through the USB bus? Any truth to that?


Edited by Trikein, 28 July 2016 - 09:36 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2016 - 09:44 PM

Bluetooth never went through USB bus, unless you use a bluetooth USB dongle, in which case, moving from USB 2 to USB 3 dongle will help :)

 

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Posted 28 July 2016 - 09:55 PM

Bluetooth never went through USB bus, unless you use a bluetooth USB dongle, in which case, moving from USB 2 to USB 3 dongle will help :)

 

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That was the point. Bluetooth didn't have to go through USB bus(bus bus?) impying that it had a more direct connecting through to the OS, meaning hypothetically lower latency. It was a article on lifehacker i think but I can't find it. Either way, I am still staying wired. I love my M65!



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Posted 29 July 2016 - 07:58 PM

i wonder if something like Keyscrambler would stop this?



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Posted 30 July 2016 - 10:46 PM

The problem with that is, you can't use the keyboard either :wink: That is where encryption comes in. Encryption allows the computer and the keyboard to communicate, but if someone does manage to get the packets, they can't figure out anything

 

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 09:56 PM

i wonder if something like Keyscrambler would stop this?


Deep, Real-time Encryption. https://www.qfxsoftware.com/ks-windows/how-it-works.htm

The moment you begin typing, KeyScrambler begins encrypting each character instantly at the keyboard driver level, deep in the Windows kernel. The timing and location makes it difficult for keyloggers to bypass KeyScrambler's protection.

The key strokes will leak before encrypted at the keyboard driver level.
 

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 09:59 PM

Yes, but that will not help! It could stop a keylogger, but anything outside the OS is out of its control! Key strokes sent over wirelessly can be intercepted, and those can't be encrypted if the protocol doesn't use encryption :(

 

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 08:50 AM

Bleh, that is horrible.

 

Thankfully, I'm still loving my G710 Wired (and oh-so-pretty) keyboard.

 

Good to know about this though, so thanks for the post.

 

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 03:57 PM

Bluetooth never went through USB bus, unless you use a bluetooth USB dongle, in which case, moving from USB 2 to USB 3 dongle will help :)

 

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On my laptop with build-in Bluetooth, the Bluetooth device is connected via USB. If I go in the Device Manager, I can see my Bluetooth device has a USB VID and PID.

And it also appears in the list generated by Nirsoft's USBDeview:

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html


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