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#1 papi1248

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Posted 26 June 2016 - 10:23 PM

            Hi can someone help me with this. So I have 2x 2TB hard drives already and they are running out of space cuz games and other stuff. I bought my computer from HP and I upgraded my gpu from geforce gt 620 to gtx 970 and to a 600 watt power supply. The computer came with windows 8 originally then I upgraded to windows 8.1 and then now I have windows 10 free upgraded. But now the issue is the space, I don't want to delete my games so I want to get a full sshd or maybe a regular hard drive with extra 4tb and I want to get 500gb ssd for operating system and couple of games like skyrim, fallout 4 and etc because I mod them and I want faster load times with those games. So what I need help with is with clean install my operating system from my oem hard drive to a new ssd without buying a windows 10 product key which if I wanted I can get the oem windows 10 product key for like $25 but I don't want to spend money on it. Also I will be backing up my games in the new 4tb hard drive and then after installing os I will be distributing the games different hard drives throughout since I will be having 8tb in total which 2x 2tb and 1x 4tb hard drive plus a ssd. Also do I need to add a sata port pcie card to get extra sata port or do I even benefit from have those pcie port compared to usb 2.0/3.0 for gaming and etc.

Also which is better for my case, a regular hard drive or ssd for secondary storage. Will games benefit sshd more and what’s the benefit? Also can anyone give me a cheap but good case for good air flow because my current case is really pact since it’s a hp case lol. If you see the pics of how pact my case is, you will want to shot yourself lol. 

           For the cases I don't want so spend too much money and I think my whole budget for everything is $350-$400, the less money the better it is.

Here's my specs: I got my PC from HP. 

 

           My PC is called HP ENVY h8-1437c

This is my Computer Specs that I have right now in my PC: 

Windows 10 Home (64bit)

GPU (graphic card): MSI Nvidia GTX 970 4G Gaming Edition

CPU: Intel core I5-3470 3.20 GHz 4 Cores

12GB of memory

Power Supply: Crosair cx 600

Resolution: 1920x1080

2x 2TB hard drive

           This is the link to my motherboard:

http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03517380

 

             Here’s the pic of my pc which I took when I first install my GPU but just imagine after almost one year worth of dust and the case lid being closed, which isn’t that ad since my pc is still working fine, but still worries me:

https://postimg.org/image/h28vl6pjh/

https://s6.postimg.org/chmp695u9/inside_of_my_pc_gtx_970_part_2.jpg


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Posted 27 June 2016 - 03:49 AM

For cases, there are almost endless amount of choices. Motherboard is mATX but you can still get ATX case for better airflow.

 

You can install Windows 10 to another HDD without problems, you don't need product key.

 

I recommend SSD for games, Crucial MX200 or BX100 500GB are both good choices. Avoid TLC drives like Samsung 850 Evo. Your motherboard has six SATA connectors that's enough for 3 HDD's and one SSD.



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 10:13 AM

For cases, there are almost endless amount of choices. Motherboard is mATX but you can still get ATX case for better airflow.

 

You can install Windows 10 to another HDD without problems, you don't need product key.

 

I recommend SSD for games, Crucial MX200 or BX100 500GB are both good choices. Avoid TLC drives like Samsung 850 Evo. Your motherboard has six SATA connectors that's enough for 3 HDD's and one SSD.

lol I only see 4 sata port in my mother board and why not samsung evo, that seems like the fastest and also what about storage between sshd or regular hard drive and btq thanks for the reply



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 11:40 AM

 

For cases, there are almost endless amount of choices. Motherboard is mATX but you can still get ATX case for better airflow.

 

You can install Windows 10 to another HDD without problems, you don't need product key.

 

I recommend SSD for games, Crucial MX200 or BX100 500GB are both good choices. Avoid TLC drives like Samsung 850 Evo. Your motherboard has six SATA connectors that's enough for 3 HDD's and one SSD.

lol I only see 4 sata port in my mother board and why not samsung evo, that seems like the fastest and also what about storage between sshd or regular hard drive and btq thanks for the reply

 

 

I see six http://support.hp.com/doc-images/131/c03246635.jpg

 

Blue, light blue, yellow, white, black, red

 

I don't recommend hybrid drives, better to go with separate HDD and SSD. No Samsung 850 Evo because it uses very slow TLC chips. It looks like fast on some tests where only small SLC cache is used. But when SLC cache fills, it must write directly to TLC and that is very slow. Another reason is that for same price you can get MLC drives. MLC is always better than TLC.



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 12:09 PM

 

 

For cases, there are almost endless amount of choices. Motherboard is mATX but you can still get ATX case for better airflow.

 

You can install Windows 10 to another HDD without problems, you don't need product key.

 

I recommend SSD for games, Crucial MX200 or BX100 500GB are both good choices. Avoid TLC drives like Samsung 850 Evo. Your motherboard has six SATA connectors that's enough for 3 HDD's and one SSD.

lol I only see 4 sata port in my mother board and why not samsung evo, that seems like the fastest and also what about storage between sshd or regular hard drive and btq thanks for the reply

 

 

I see six http://support.hp.com/doc-images/131/c03246635.jpg

 

Blue, light blue, yellow, white, black, red

 

I don't recommend hybrid drives, better to go with separate HDD and SSD. No Samsung 850 Evo because it uses very slow TLC chips. It looks like fast on some tests where only small SLC cache is used. But when SLC cache fills, it must write directly to TLC and that is very slow. Another reason is that for same price you can get MLC drives. MLC is always better than TLC.

 

thanks lol the red and black ones don't look like sata port to me still, but i will try plugging stuff to check when getting more of my parts. but what is wrong with hybrid hard drives 4tb for gaming tho and can u give me a 500 gb ssd that's the fastest but also under like $150-$170 would be preferable and the lesser the better of course. and which case under $80 is really good airflow and of course the less money the better for me, but I dont want to sacrifice quality either. 



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 12:52 PM

thanks lol the red and black ones don't look like sata port to me still, but i will try plugging stuff to check when getting more of my parts. but what is wrong with hybrid hard drives 4tb for gaming tho and can u give me a 500 gb ssd that's the fastest but also under like $150-$170 would be preferable and the lesser the better of course. and which case under $80 is really good airflow and of course the less money the better for me, but I dont want to sacrifice quality either.


On hybrid drives there are "two drives" at one, if other broke down, other one is useless.

For SSD, Crucial BX100 or MX200 are good choices.

For cases, selection is almost endless. List some case models that you like and I check what are best choices?

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 05:12 PM

the crucial bx 100 seems a little too expansive. the samsung 850 evo seems much more cheaper. Also here some cases that I found:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I0MKMG2/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RORBQNW/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

All the corsair spec series cases are pretty much cool to me but do seem small and I am not sure about good airflow and having space for multiple hard drives.



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 05:16 PM

Also I still dont understand the problems with ssd and sshd, if they are fast for gaming and the reviews suggest good liability especially the samsung ssd. the sshd i am still not sure about, but if it decreases game loading times and is pactically the same price as a 7200rpm hard drive, why not a sshd.



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Posted 28 June 2016 - 03:46 AM

the crucial bx 100 seems a little too expansive. the samsung 850 evo seems much more cheaper. Also here some cases that I found:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I0MKMG2/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RORBQNW/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

All the corsair spec series cases are pretty much cool to me but do seem small and I am not sure about good airflow and having space for multiple hard drives.

 

BX100 is cheaper than 850 Evo, but it's price may be high because it's nearing EOL.

 

For god airlow I recommend something with 140mm fans. Fractal R4 had been replaced with R5, so R4 goes on fair price https://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-Define-Cases-FD-CA-DEF-R4-BL/dp/B008HD3CTI/

 

That's one choice.

 

 

Also I still dont understand the problems with ssd and sshd, if they are fast for gaming and the reviews suggest good liability especially the samsung ssd. the sshd i am still not sure about, but if it decreases game loading times and is pactically the same price as a 7200rpm hard drive, why not a sshd.

 

Samsung's reliability is among the worst, there's good example http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Samsung-840-840-EVO-susceptible-flash-read-speed-degradation-over-time

 

Also 840 non evo suffers from same problems and was never even partially "fixed" (that 840 Evo problem cannot be fixed without changing whole drive).

 

More than good reason to avoid Samsung's TLC drives. 850 Evo has received recommendations but that proves that some people never learm from mistakes and Samsung has some kind of fan club.

 

Hybrid drives have problem what I pointed out, "two drives in same package" and if either brokes down, whole drive is ineffective. That's probably main reason why hybrid drives are not very popular.


Edited by Drillingmachine, 28 June 2016 - 03:46 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:17 PM

 here some cases that I found:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I0MKMG2/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RORBQNW/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

All the corsair spec series cases are pretty much cool to me but do seem small and I am not sure about good airflow and having space for multiple hard drives.

It may not be for you but I run a Corsair Carbide 330R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139053

in my server with 5 HDDs and one SSD. 1 work HDD and SSD have 5 1/4 drive bay adapters while 4 x 2TB in Raid10 down low.

 

Easily fits a hyper 212 (159mm tall) and space for either a 240/480 rad in the top. Elegant and quiet.

The internal size/layout and cooling of this line is fairly nice. But it all comes down to what you like.


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 02:05 PM

http://www.microcenter.com/product/463304/MX300_750GB_SATA_III_25_7mm_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_CT750MX300SSD1&utm_source=eNews%20Special%20Ed%2020160629&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=E3654&MccGuid=081D7AD7-1273-45D7-BC94-D18C98CCF3D9

 

what about this ssd and also whats the difference between bx and mx version of crucial ssds, I heard the mx versions are slightly faster. 



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Posted 29 June 2016 - 02:10 PM

 

 here some cases that I found:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I0MKMG2/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RORBQNW/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

All the corsair spec series cases are pretty much cool to me but do seem small and I am not sure about good airflow and having space for multiple hard drives.

It may not be for you but I run a Corsair Carbide 330R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139053

in my server with 5 HDDs and one SSD. 1 work HDD and SSD have 5 1/4 drive bay adapters while 4 x 2TB in Raid10 down low.

 

Easily fits a hyper 212 (159mm tall) and space for either a 240/480 rad in the top. Elegant and quiet.

The internal size/layout and cooling of this line is fairly nice. But it all comes down to what you like.

 

that case is pretty expansive, Do I even need that good of a case in the way I am using my PC with all hard drives and the gtx 970. So far the case I am using, the setup might be bad, but I dont have issues at the moment except I cant add another hard drive or ssd. I just wanted a good airflow case because since i am adding another hard rive and ssd, might as well get budget case that has good enough airflow and has multiple drive bays. 



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Posted 29 June 2016 - 02:51 PM

http://www.microcenter.com/product/463304/MX300_750GB_SATA_III_25_7mm_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_CT750MX300SSD1&utm_source=eNews%20Special%20Ed%2020160629&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=E3654&MccGuid=081D7AD7-1273-45D7-BC94-D18C98CCF3D9
 
what about this ssd and also whats the difference between bx and mx version of crucial ssds, I heard the mx versions are slightly faster.


I'd still stay away from TLC drives.

Edited by Drillingmachine, 29 June 2016 - 02:52 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 04:07 PM

Have a look at this, very informative http://www.overclock.net/t/1179518/seans-ssd-buyers-guide-information-thread


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 10:48 PM

Hey, what are some list of non TLC based ssd that does really good job in price, performance and i guess life span.






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