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linux mint driver for intel 82865g old dell desktop


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#1 sodicka320

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 03:48 PM

Hi

 

I have just been trying to salvage an old dell b110 desktop for my son just to do a bit of web browsing and some school work on .

 

Originally had XP on it but thought would be interesting to try Linux for me and my son .

 

All seemed fine until I tried watching some youtube on it which would not play smoothly even on lowest resoulution and desktop background would sometimes go all doctor who on me ...

 

I'm assuming its a integrated intel GPU problem and wondered if any of you kind people could help?

 

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 12:46 AM

Hi sodicka320 - I see you have been a BC Member for some time, but :welcome: to the Linux & Unix section if you have not been here before.

 

Your assumption may be correct, but it will help me and others if you can provide some more details on what Linux you are using, eg Ubuntu 14.04 32-bit (Unity Desktop), &c.

 

Better still, if you type in and press enter the following, it will save time. At Terminal

inxi -Fx

Copy the output and paste here.

 

Does this appear to be the unit in question?

 

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#3 sodicka320

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 03:42 AM

Thanks for reply wizard that is pretty much the correct  dell pc except it was b1100 :oopsign: , cpu correct but ram increased to 1.25 gb and hard drive is 80gb.

 

 

System:    Host: kev-Dell-DE051 Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.8.2)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 2.8.8 (Gtk 3.10.8~8+qiana)
           Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Machine:   System: Dell product: Dell DE051
           Mobo: Dell model: 0WF887 Bios: Dell v: A01 date: 01/03/2006
CPU:       Single core Intel Celeron (-UP-) cache: 256 KB
           flags: (pae sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 5053 speed: 2526 MHz (max)
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@59.9hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 865G x86/MMX/SSE2
           GLX Version: 1.3 Mesa 10.5.9 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
           driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: ee00 edc0 bus-ID: 00:1f.5
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-32-generic
Network:   Card: Intel 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller
           driver: e100 v: 3.5.24-k2-NAPI port: df40 bus-ID: 01:08.0
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: 00:16:76:16:34:be
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (12.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST380011A size: 80.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 72G used: 8.1G (12%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 1.34GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 133 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 210.3/1250.5MB
           Init: Upstart runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.4
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111) inxi: 2.2.28

 

Originally tried very small basic distro (forgotten which one ..)  but wouldnt display at all correctly which is why i went to full blown Mint.

 

Should i have used a smaller mint version as its such an old low end pc?

 

Cheers :)
 



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Posted 20 June 2016 - 04:47 AM

Hi sodicka320,

Mint MATE is usually better suited for older computers than Mint Cinnamon. However, please don't rush out and get rid of Cinnamon and install MATE just because I said so. :)

If youtube videos are the only issue just now, one option would be to install something that streams youtube videos. I currently use streamlight-antix for this purpose, but I'm not sure if it's available for Mint. Open a terminal and type or copy and paste:
apt-cache search streamlight
..and see if there are any results. Apparently Streamlight doesn't work with all youtube videos, but it has worked with all the ones I've tried.

Another similar application is Minitube, which I think should be available for Mint, although personally I never had much luck with it.
apt-cache search minitube
...to see if it's available. If it's there:
sudo apt-get install minitube
...will install it.

If you don't like it or it doesn't work:
sudo apt-get purge minitube
... will remove all trace of it from your computer.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 07:38 AM

Thanks for reply BC

 

No sign of Streamlight .....  minitube installed but didn't work..

 

Did try the Xfce mint on usb drive which is supposed to be the lightest and did find a small improvement in general speed and just about ok with youtube on 120p in Firefox.

 

Still just wondering if there should be a driver for the integrated graphics ?

 

Cheers :)



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Posted 20 June 2016 - 08:26 AM

Hi, sodicka.

 

Generally speaking, Intel graphics drivers have always been available to, and integrated into, the Linux kernel pretty much from release.

 

Your graphics unit should be covered; it's AMD who are the 'black sheep' in this respect.

 

You might find an improvement by using 'nomodeset' on the kernel line. I haven't used Mint or Ubuntu for an age, but IIRC, you need to edit the 'grub' file using Notepad, or something similar.

 

On an elderly Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop (same sort of age as your desktop), running several flavours of Puppy Linux, with the original Extreme graphics adapter, I have to add 'i915.modeset=0' to the kernel line for each Pup; this basically tells the kernel to ignore the Intel driver, and to use the built-in, 'nouveau' one instead. This gives pretty good results.

 

From here, you appear to have the Mk2 version of my own chip, so the above workaround may work; but substitute 'i945' for 'i915'. It's worth a try.

 

Mind you, streaming video is a no-no anyway, because of the machine in question's complete lack of 'grunt...' (P4 & a gig of DDR1 RAM)

 

Others who know more than me should chime in, sooner or later...  :lol:

 

 

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 09:09 AM

Did try the Xfce mint on usb drive which is supposed to be the lightest and did find a small improvement in general speed and just about ok with youtube on 120p in Firefox.

 

Still just wondering if there should be a driver for the integrated graphics ?

 

Cheers :)

Xfce should work even better installed to HDD, and, if it were me would go with 17 or 17.1 and not 17.3.  17.3 is to new imo, even 17.2 is too new.

 

Mint Mate might work okay, I would put both to a USB and Test-drive the two for a bit.  

 

It's not all about the Drivers in Linux, it's also about X.org here:  "Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1"  on your machine.  In 17-17.1 they use the earlier "Display Server:  X.Org 1.15.1 


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#8 sodicka320

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 09:16 AM

If I went for 17.1 would it be less secure or be nagging to update later on??  ..... or are these Windows only problems :D

 

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 09:20 AM

"Linux Mint 17.1 is a long term support release which will be supported until 2019. It comes with updated software and brings refinements and many new features to make your desktop even more comfortable to use."

Here they are so that you can see, even 17.0 is supported, and will not nag nor anything else like Windows.

https://www.linuxmint.com/download_all.php

 

I don't know about "Streaming", Mike_Walsh had some good comments on that which seem to make sense to me.  


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Posted 20 June 2016 - 10:43 AM

Heya, punk.

 

The stupid thing is, Intel designed the P4's to be good at one thing, over and above everything else; multimedia, and graphics rendering.....and the damn things are worse than useless at both! In those far-off days, CPUs tended to carry as much of the load for graphics rendering as the video chips themselves did.

 

Mind you, it is ancient architecture by now, no doubt about that. On top of that, the chipsets Intel were turning out at that time, well; they were peculiar, to say the least. Intel more or less said 'Sod it' to VESA standards, chucked the rule-book out the window, and built them the way they thought a rendering engine should work. The 'Brookedale'-cored, 82854 'Extreme' graphics adapter (which I'm lumbered with) was sent out by manufacturers with just a single megabyte of shared graphics RAM enabled; you had to dig around in the BIOS to enable the full 8 MB it was supposed to use. In Dell's case, 9 times out of 10, that invariably meant a BIOS upgrade as well, because the factory-installed image wouldn't support that extra graphics RAM (which is 'borrowed' from system RAM, in any case...)

 

Needless to say, they've had plenty of compatibility problems, and criticism over the years! The concept never caught on, and there's still a lot of the things kicking around out there.....

 

@sodicka:-

 

You might find this to be interesting, or of some use.....

 

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/graphics/sb/14xug.pdf

 

Except you can ignore the section about drivers, at least as far as Linux is concerned. And I tend to agree with pcpunk about 'test-driving'; it's the only way to find out how well they'll run with your specific hardware.

 

 

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 12:55 PM

Thanks for info... think i'll try 17.1 xfce on usb  and probably install if ok and stick with that. :)

 

Cheers :)



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Posted 20 June 2016 - 01:42 PM

@sodicka:-

 

You're welcome. Hope we helped you make your mind up, one way or the other. The biggest problem, always, with older hardware, is doing your homework, and just simply experimenting. There's no substitute for trying stuff out.....which is one thing you can do in Linux, before installing. Try doing that in Windoze...

 

Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to lower your expectations a little bit.....and settle for what your hardware is comfortable with running. Which isn't necessarily the same thing as what you want to run.....  :lol:

 

That's life.

 

 

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 04:39 PM

Geez I have a sleep and all the cavalry arrive, lol.

 

I am not an expert in this area but would there have been anything to be said for establishing the existence of, or more likely having to create an xorg.conf file containing the following?:

 

Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel Graphics"
Driver "intel"
Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"
EndSection

 

... then restart X and see if it worked?

 

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 05:19 PM

hey sodicka320,

 

Without stepping on anyones toes.

 

I had the same Dell that you have except with a Pentium 4 processor instead of a Celeron processor and what Al1000 says about Linux Mint Mate 17.x  running better is quite true.

Linux Mint Cinnamon I believe is based on Gnome 3 desktop which requires massive graphics and processor resources that your box just doesn't have nor is capable of supporting.

Linux Mint Mate 17.x is based on Gnome 2 desktop which doesn't require as much graphics or processor resources and will in most cases run well on low powered boxes.

 

Another problem might be as I don't see is how much ram memory your box has installed 512mb is bare minimum and for a better experience 1GB is preferred.

 

Another thing is a Celeron processor in todays browsers just doesn't have what it takes to stream the HD youtube videos as it wasn't ever designed for any more than to push data such as documents etc.

 

I would give Puppy tahrpup 6.0 a test drive as it runs like a champ on my 2005 Dell Pentium 4 box.

 

sh-4.3# inxi -Fx
System:    Host: puppypc22614 Kernel: 3.14.56 i686 (32 bit, gcc: 4.8.4) Desktop: JWM git-976 Distro: tahrpup 6.0.5
Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex GX620
           Mobo: Dell model: 0F8096 . Bios: Dell version: A01 date: 05/24/2005
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium 4 CPU (-HT-) cache: 2048 KB flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3)
           Clock Speeds: 1: 2992.552 MHz 2: 2992.552 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller
       
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 80.0GB model: SAMSUNG_HD080HJ

 Memory: 167.3/3029.0MB

 


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Posted 20 June 2016 - 06:41 PM

Heya, punk.

 

 And I tend to agree with pcpunk about 'test-driving'; it's the only way to find out how well they'll run with your specific hardware.

 

 

Mike.  :wink:

That's interesting stuff Mike, about the P4's.

 

I think for now this is the best route, try the easy stuff first.  Mint Xfce has worked well for similar graphics and low powered pc's for quite a few folks so let's see how it goes.  


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