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#1 wizardfromoz

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 04:03 AM

I note that I have just installed another 2 -3 Linux Distros on my Toshiba, and still not addressed my New Year's Resolution of making the acquaintance of Puppy.

 

Elaine's Compaq-Presario C300 has inxi -Fx as follows:

 

elaine@Presario:~$ inxi -Fx
System:    Host: Presario Kernel: 3.13.0-77-generic i686 (32 bit, gcc: 4.8.2)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.11.8 (Gtk 2.24.23) Distro: Ubuntu 14.04 trusty
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard (portable) product: Presario C300 (RU922PA#ABG) version: F.05
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 30C6 version: 78.08 Bios: Hewlett-Packard version: F.05 date: 08/14/2006
CPU:       Single core Intel Celeron M CPU 430 (-UP-) cache: 1024 KB flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 3458.31 clocked at 1729.157 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0
           X.Org: 1.15.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1280x800@60.1hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 1.4 Mesa 10.1.3 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.13.0-77-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
           driver: 8139too ver: 0.9.28 port: 2000 bus-ID: 08:08.0
           IF: eth0 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:16:d4:9f:ab:13
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 06:00.0
           IF: N/A state: N/A mac: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (15.0% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD600BEVS size: 60.0GB
Partition: ID: / size: 28G used: 8.4G (33%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 0.52GB used: 0.01GB (1%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 49.0C mobo: 26.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 149 Uptime: 10 min Memory: 250.9/485.8MB Runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.4
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.11) inxi: 1.9.17

 

 

My Toshiba Satellite S70-tA has inxi -Fx as follows:

 

chris@toshi:~$ inxi -Fx
System:    Host: toshi Kernel: 4.4.0-22-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.3.1)
           Desktop: MATE 1.12.1 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3)
           Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
Machine:   System: TOSHIBA product: Satellite S70t-A v: PSKNEA-04G034
           Mobo: Type2 - Board Vendor Name1 model: Type2 - Board Product Name1 v: Type2 - Board Version
           Bios: Insyde v: 1.60 date: 04/18/2014
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-4700MQ (-HT-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 19156
           clock speeds: max: 3400 MHz 1: 2400 MHz 2: 2400 MHz 3: 2400 MHz
           4: 2400 MHz 5: 2400 MHz 6: 2401 MHz 7: 2400 MHz 8: 2409 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Card-2: NVIDIA GK208M [GeForce GT 740M] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED: nouveau
           Resolution: 1600x900@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-2 Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:03.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-22-generic
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
           driver: ath9k bus-ID: 0d:00.0
           IF: wlp13s0 state: up mac: a4:db:30:2c:2d:75
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet
           driver: alx port: 3000 bus-ID: 0e:00.0
           IF: enp14s0 state: down mac: 08:9e:01:e7:f7:0a
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 4000.8GB (22.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_MQ01ABD1 size: 1000.2GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: NH03 size: 3000.6GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 40G used: 8.7G (24%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 8.19GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 253 Uptime: 14 min Memory: 1725.9/7907.8MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.421) inxi: 2.2.35

 

 

I am looking at all options, but for myself on the Toshiba I may likely try a full install to HDD.

 

I have no doubt the "woofing" part of our BC Community will have valuable suggestions.

 

Thanks, folks.

 

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 04:15 AM

Tahrpup uses Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr packages and includes the bugfixes and improvements from the woof CE build system. It is compatible with Ubuntu 14.04 packages. The Linux kernel version is 3.14.20.

Explore the Tharpup folder at ibiblio or nluug for downloads (Try the PAE build first).



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Posted 16 June 2016 - 04:45 AM

Elaine's Compaq-Presario C300 has inxi -Fx as follows:


Can this machine boot 14.04 distros? If so then I would go with Tahr Puppy for both machines as Nick suggested above.

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 04:50 AM

for myself on the Toshiba I may likely try a full install to HDD


I've done several frugal installations of Puppy but never a full install. Full installations of Puppy are supposedly more suited to computers with little RAM, although even 512MiB is more than "a little" to Puppy.

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 09:26 AM

Puppy needs a minimum of 512 ram to run smooth.

Also I would stay with frugal as that is really the way Puppies are designed to run.

Create a bootable usb Puppy tahrpup 6.0 no-pae and do a frugal to the usb and give it a test drive to see how it works before committing to the hard drive.

 

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/tahrpup

 

download link

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-tahr/iso/tahrpup%20-6.0-CE/

 

forum link

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96178

 

 

On your computer I would go Puppy tarpup64 6.0.5 and also do a frugal install. Test drive them both first on a usb as mentioned above.

 

http://puppylinux.com/

 

download link

http://puppylinux.com/index.html#download

 

forum link

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96748

 

Just my thoughts.


Edited by vacuum-tube, 16 June 2016 - 09:42 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 04:48 PM

Thanks to the three of you for the input.

 

Elaine's Compaq has working optical drive and USB, and we'll see, Al, how it handles 14.04.

 

My Toshiba's optical drive is shot, so all operations will be USB.

 

Any thoughts on burning apps? Bear in mind that we work from a totally Linux environment, no Windows.

 

Cheers

 

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:11 PM

Hey wizard,

 

In regular Linux for CD / DVD I use Xfburn and have had excellent results.

In Puppy I use Pburn which works well in Puppy.

 

For USB 2.0 only I use UNetbootin it works for older USB drives but doesn't seem to do well with USB 3.0 drives. There is also LinuxLive USB Creator which is suppose to be good also.



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Posted 16 June 2016 - 08:36 PM

@wiz

 

I would 2nd TahrPup 6.0.5-If someone with my lack of skills can get it working... it's easy :whistle:   Al1000's tutorial helps a lot with basic set-up too:

 

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/561869/how-to-create-a-secure-multi-session-puppy-cd-with-updatable-firefox-browser/

 

You don't have to make it a multi session disc, but you can follow the steps to get going.  Some stuff has changed since it was written, the main one being that you can't enable the firewall before connecting:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/615904/some-questions-about-puppy-linux/#entry4013742

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 07:03 AM

In Puppy I use Pburn which works well in Puppy.


I was trying to remember what I use in Puppy when I read your post yesterday, as I didn't think it was Pburn. I just so happen to be on Thar Puppy just now, and it's Burniso2cd that I use to burn ISO files in Puppy.

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 06:27 AM

Morning, Wiz.

 

pBurn and Burniso2CD will both do just what you want; pBurn, despite being criticised by some people as being too 'primitive', has burnt all my ISO's for the last couple of years.....and I haven't had a 'duff' one yet.

 

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For Elaine's machine, I'll also agree with 32-bit Tahr 6.05 (no-PAE), but I'll also make another couple of suggestions (if I may). If you're not too fussed about constant updates (which, to be honest, is only really supported in Tahr for the moment.....and I wouldn't like to say how long for; its creator, 666philb, aka Phil Broughton, has done a bang-on job of keeping it up-to-date so far), you could also give 'Precise' 5.7.1 & the classic 'Slacko' 5.7.0 a try. The long-running 'Slacko' series, by 01micko (aka Mick Amadio), has achieved something close to 'cult' status among Puppians over the years.....and 5.7.0 is a true 'classic'; rock-steady, and as stable as they come. Precise (one of Barry's own Pups) is particularly economical with CPU usage.

 

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For your own machine, yes, Tahr64 certainly.....but also, consider Slacko64 6.3.0, and possibly the Lighthouse64 series. 6.3.0 hasn't been around quite as long as Tahr, and there's still a few wrinkles to iron out.....but it's shaping up to be the 'spiritual' successor to 5.7.0. Well worth a look.

 

And, if you'll accept advice from a mere Puppy 'user', for your own machine, I would go with a 'frugal'. I know, it runs contrary to all logic, but it all hinges on the fact that Puppy is designed to run in RAM.
 
In your wife's case, because of limited RAM, and the fact that with a 'full' install, files and data are only called into RAM as and when required, it's actually the better option. But you must understand this; a Puppy needs plenty of room to run, and jump, and gambol, and play.....just as a puppy should. In the case of your own machine, with a large amount of RAM, it affords Puppy the chance to really perform as she was designed to (since RAM is a much faster medium than a storage drive).....so a 'frugal' is the best option in your own use-case. 'Frugal', after all, merely refers to the fact that the core system files, being in the form of a read-only, compressed format, don't take up much space at all.....and this is why Puppy is so well suited to living on a flash drive. And that 'read-only' format means that you boot, each and every time, with a pristine, squeaky-clean, totally uncorrupted copy.....
 
And so long as you keep a secure copy, regularly backed-up ( a simple copy operation will suffice.....no need for special back-up software) of your save-file or -folder, it's a matter of minutes (again, with a simple copy/paste operation) to restore Puppy to full, energetic health in the event of things irretrievably going 'down the Swannee'. The save-file (or -folder), since it holds all your settings and personalizations, is invariably where the bugs get in..!
 
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'Slacko64' 6.3.0:-

 

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-6.3.0/64/

 

Lighthouse64:-

 

http://www.lhpup.org/

 

'Precise' 5.7.1:-

 

http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/precise-5.7.1/

 

'Slacko' 5.7.0:-

 

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-5.7/

 

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Hope that gives you a few alternatives. It all depends on your outlook; so many Linux newcomers, coming across from Whinedoze, are infected with the 'newest must be best' syndrome.....and 'Where's my updates? Must have my updates...' But if you don't mind doing a wee bit of manual maintenance, there are some real Puppy 'gems' out there.....and there's so many to choose from. Some of those gems may be a couple or three years old now.....but a little bit of patching keeps them just as secure as the newest ones.

 

I, myself, have released a series of PepperFlash .pets to keep that particular, bug-ridden component (yes, I'm looking at you, Adobe) of the Chrome/Chromium/SlimJet browsers as up-to-date as possible; I have the newest available version of 32-bit PepperFlash (released with Chrome 48) in use by Chrome version 26 (!!!), running in 'Lucid' Puppy. I've also just finished packaging .pets and SFS's for the 64-bit version of the SlimJet browser, which I mentioned a while back.. There's many utilities, and lib patches, etc., constantly being updated and released by various Forum members. Puppy's just a little bit more 'hands-on' than some of the mainstream distros, that's all.....but the result is well worth the extra effort. You've doubtless seen some of my desktops by now; Puppy's as customizable as, if not more so than, many of the mainstream distros.....but then, being a design nut, I've always customized the hell out of my desktops anyway..!

 

Lighthouse64 is now being updated to current 'standards' by forum member Dry Falls, following an extended illness by its originator, tazoc. I run all three of the above-mentioned 64-bit Pups, as well as half-a-dozen of the 32-bit critters.....my 'kennels' are bursting at the seams, but there's usually room somewhere for yet another one!  :rolleyes:

 

Puppy is highly addictive; you have been warned!  :lol:

 

 

Mike.  :wink:


Edited by Mike_Walsh, 18 June 2016 - 11:26 AM.

Distros:- Multiple 'Puppies'..... and Anti-X 16.1

My Puppy BLOG ~~~  My Puppy PACKAGES

Compaq Presario SR1916UK; Athlon64 X2 3800+, 3 GB RAM, WD 500GB Caviar 'Blue', 32GB Kingspec PATA SSD, 3 TB Seagate 'Expansion' external HDD, ATI Radeon Xpress 200 graphics, Dell 15.1" pNp monitor (1024 x 768), TP-Link PCI-e USB 3.0 card, Logitech c920 HD Pro webcam, self-powered 7-port USB 2.0 hub

Dell Inspiron 1100; 2.6 GHz 400FSB P4, 1.5 GB RAM, 64GB KingSpec IDE SSD, Intel 'Extreme' graphics, 1 TB Seagate 'Expansion' external HDD, M$ HD-3000 'Lifecam'.

 

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 07:17 PM

I am taking all the above input on board and am grateful.

 

Bear in mind that my optical drive on the Toshiba Satellite is "shot", for the time being, so a USB solution is required there.

 

I'll be getting on to Elaine's Compaq Presario a little later in the day when she takes her nap, so will explore some of the CD/DVD options then, and then provide a "State of the Nation" with both.

 

Thanks all :thumbup2:

 

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 03:07 AM

FatDog64 is a great 1st time release, and really great for diagnosing hardware. :thumbup2:

 

Even better, weighs in at under 300MB, and created less than 30 minutes from my residence. :)

 

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/#download

 

All releases since 2010 plus MD5's. I recommend the use of a download manager, such as the one available for Firefox, in the Add-ons, Down Then All, to grab as fast as possible, through the browser can be painfully slow for whatever reason. Or whatever download manager one prefers, there's also uget in the package or software manager. There's even an older one dedicated for Acer C720 model computers in the list. 

 

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/iso/

 

FatDog64 doesn't have it's own forum, though one can get support here or at the below link.

 

 

 

Fatdog64 doesn't have its own forum, instead it piggybacks on Puppy Linux Discussion Forum.  Fatdog64 posts are usually found in the Puppy Projects subforum.

 

I cannot begin to count the number of 64 bit computers I've tested with FatDog64, many before it shipped with the Slacko package, one reason why I saved my older Puppy ISO's. :)

 

9.5x or more out of 10, the issue would be OS corruption, Malware infestation, or an EOL HDD. though the latter was rare. OS corruption would be the top cause, and nowadays all it takes is to reboot to the Recovery partition (assuming no prior backup images are available) & reload the OS. All that FatDog64 does is show that the computer is otherwise running fine, one can also choose to run a memory test. 

 

While this can be done with most any Linux distro, the advantage that FatDog64 has is that regardless of booted from CD or USB stick, once it gets loaded into RAM, it's 2-3x faster than the average distro, runs as fast as greased lightening. Also allows the one whom owns the computer to do whatever is needed before I do the same, to fix the root cause of the issue. :)

 

Finally, a little history of FatDog64, many may not realize it, neither did I before clicking the link, has been around for 8 years, since 2008. If interested, here's the background of FatDog64.

 

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/history.html

 

In closing, I must say that FatDog64 is most certainly my favorite Pup & has served me well when needed, very little configuration needed, just boot & run. :)

 

Have fun with FatDog64, I believe that many will find as myself, that on most any 64 bit computer, the small OS runs faster than any in the world. :thumbsup:

 

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Edited by cat1092, 19 June 2016 - 03:09 AM.

Performing full disc images weekly and keeping important data off of the 'C' drive as generated can be the best defence against Malware/Ransomware attacks, as well as a wide range of other issues. 


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Posted 19 June 2016 - 05:44 AM

 

very little configuration needed

Well thats no fun then, is it?



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Posted 20 June 2016 - 02:45 AM

 

 

very little configuration needed

Well thats no fun then, is it?

 

 

Actually that's the way I prefer it, even my installed OS's. :thumbup2:

 

The more the configuring, the higher the chance of breaking the OS, and after pouring hours of work in, rebuilding is no fun, have been there, more than one time. Though I understand that some Pups does need some configuration if ran as their daily OS, or next to it. :)

 

My main Puppy experience is booting from a FatDog64 CD & letting the good times roll, everything I need is already on the media. :thumbup2:

 

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