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Lenovo Skylake and Windows 7


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#1 TheJokerz

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 01:28 PM

Hello all,

 

I am seriously racking my brain on this one.  I have tried just about everything that I can find and think of to get this to work.  Now I have two different models of Lenovo one is a desktop and one is a laptop. 

 

Laptop: Lenovo thinkpad E560 i5 6200u 4GB ram 500GB hdd. https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E560-20EV-15.6in-Core-i5-6200U-4-GB-RAM-500-GB-HDD/3890879.aspx?pfm=srh

Desktop: Lenovo thinkpad m900 Tiny i5 6500t 4GB ram 500GB hdd https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-M900-10FM-Core-i5-6500T-2.5-GHz-4-GB-500-GB/3902931.aspx?enkwrd=10FM0007US&pfm=srh

 

Here is my issue.  I have a custom image for the place that I work at, that is installed on a bootable usb created from rufus.  I know this has not been corrupted because it works on older systems without any issue.  When I load this image on either machine I can get past the section where you chose the language and time ect.  Then it has a big button to install windows 7, after that point I get the message "A required cd/dvd drive device driver is missing.  If you have a drive floppy disk, cd, dvd, or usb flash please insert now.  

 

I have tried everything from uefi booting enable, legacy boot enable.  There is even a usb emulation on the desktop model, the keyboard and mouse did not work without it when trying to pick the language and time.

 

The only thing that I have not been able to try is a usb 3.0 drive, as all the usb ports on both machines are usb 3.0.  I have also seen another solution, go on the machine with a linux live and create a partition on the hdd and copy over the iso file for my custom image, and then boot from from that.  This would be a last resort type of thing, there has to be a simple solution...  Bleeping MS (or should i say intel)..... :ranting:

 

Sorry if this has already come up and a solution has been found.

 

Thanks

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 02:01 PM

I don't think its an Intel or MS problem, not sure why you think it is an Intel one... I'm just going off the top of my head here though. If it is a USB installer from work... its possible that it is a network installer and goes out to a network share and grabs the .iso file it needs. Then there is also the question of why you are installing Windows from work on your personal machine. But that is my security coming out.. I assume you have a legitimate reason/approval to do so.


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 02:53 PM

I don't think its an Intel or MS problem, not sure why you think it is an Intel one... I'm just going off the top of my head here though. If it is a USB installer from work... its possible that it is a network installer and goes out to a network share and grabs the .iso file it needs. Then there is also the question of why you are installing Windows from work on your personal machine. But that is my security coming out.. I assume you have a legitimate reason/approval to do so.

This is work equipment.  And we do not have the WDS on any of our servers.  This is a custom image that I made for our workstations.  And I beilive that it is a either a MS or Intel issue, because from what I have researched windows 7 needs a XHXI driver that is no longer supported by the skylake chipset.  It could be all smoke blowing up my rear but it kind of makes sense because, lenovo stopped making the m93p model which we were using and all the other model that we can buy are all skylake now.  As we have to by business class products because of all the stupid MS licensing bs (and we use enterprise...).

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 03:01 PM

Ah my apologies. For some reason I read it has you had two personal computers.

 

Aaccording to this both those systems will work with windows 7 still.... Maybe try re-doing the image on the USB drive. Could have gotten corrupted somehow.


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 03:11 PM

Hi,

 

Do you have more machines of the same model where the flash drive work?

 

 

Seems like the WinPE doesn't have the needed drivers to support the Mass Storage and the USB 3.


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 03:25 PM

No these are the first of their kind here, we were able to still buy the old models until now....  We have 6 of these desktops and 2 laptops of the same model, maybe I could try one of those to see if maybe I just got 2 funky machines.  I did get on their site for the m900 and they actually had some win 7 driver to work on a skylake chipset.  But again the os has to be already installed or they have instructions on creating an answer file when the OS is being installed, I guess I am just being lazy and looking for an easier solution.  And SleepyDude it is starting to sound like you are correct.  The only odd thing is that all of these machines came with win 7 pro on them, so I know it will work!

 

And no worries DeimosChaos!


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 04:57 PM

...And SleepyDude it is starting to sound like you are correct.  The only odd thing is that all of these machines came with win 7 pro on them, so I know it will work!

 
That's good probably you can find the needed drivers on some folder on the HDD if you can factory restore them. Did you check the Lenovo website?


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 05:26 PM

Intel Skylake processor has removed support for EHCI host controller (USB 2.0 spec) and keeping only the xHCI host controller spec (universal USB 3.0 specification). While the USB 3.0 spec is backward compatible with most USB 2.0 and 1.0 functions, installing windows 7 via USB is not one of them. The problem begins with the fact that Windows 7 does not have the code to support xHCI based installation via USB, with only installation over EHCI allowed.

 

Intel offers the Windows 7 USB 3.0 Creator Utility which will integrate the proper USB 3.0 (xHCI) drivers into the Windows 7 Boot.wim & Install.wim located in the /Sources folder of your Win 7 ISO.

 

This utility automates the process to create a Windows 7* installation image to include USB 3.0 drivers. The new installation image can then be used to install Windows 7 on these Intel® NUC products.

 

 

Other manufacturers offer similar tools such as Gigabyte's  Windows USB Installation Tool

 


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 07:56 AM

Thanks UnionThug I will give this a shot today!  I will post back either way!


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 09:48 AM

You're welcome... also when creating bootable USB (I also use Rufus) select MBR partitition scheme for BIOS or UEFI

 

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 10:35 AM

Thanks I will ensure I do that!


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 01:07 PM

Union_Thug just an fyi, the program did not work.  I am trying to manually put the .inf files in the boot.wim, hopefully this works!


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 02:56 PM

Bummer. I did it manually with DISM command line something like this:

To integrate them to boot.wim index 1 & 2 do this:

- unpack the downloaded USB3 zip
- copy the boot.wim & install.wim from the usb thumb drive to a folder "X"
- mount the boot.wim index 1 using an elevated command prompt and this commandline:
 

dism.exe /Mount-WIM /WimFile:"X:\boot.wim" /index:1 /MountDir:"Y:\mount"

(modify to meet your situation)

- then use this command line to integrate the drivers:
 

dism.exe /image:"Y:\mount" /Add-Driver /driver:(Path to Driver folder) /recurse

- Unmount commit (each index separately)

dism.exe /Unmount-wim /mountdir:"Y:\mount" /commit

- do the same for index 2

- copy the new boot.wim to the usb thumbrive \sources folder

Do the same with install.wim

x64 ISO contains 4 indexes in Install.wim

1-Home Basic
2-Home Premium
3-Professional
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Posted 10 June 2016 - 08:00 AM

Did all of that still no go...  I also tried to take the drivers from the physical computer, there is a folder under C:\WIndows\SYSWOW\Drivers on these lenovos that have all of the .inf files.  Did the same thing mounted the install.wim put all the .inf from the pc and unmounted.  Still the same thing windows is saying missing drivers...  I am about to pull my hair out on this. :axe:

 

Also thank you for all of your help up to this point Union_Thug!

 

EDIT: the file location is C:\Windows\SWTOOLS\Drivers not SYSWOW


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Posted 11 June 2016 - 06:29 AM

hello, you can try this

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/3h8vk0/build_help_installing_windows_7_on_skylake_z170/

 

this is a hardware workaround

 

i didnt find a software solution.






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