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Upgrading and resurrecting my computer


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#1 Kukaracha

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 11:41 AM

Greetings everyone !
 
I started getting BSOD, turns out it's probably a hardware issue. The Mobo is probably the culprit, but anyhow the computer is now dead and I have to buy new parts to make it work.
 
Here's the PCPartPicker build :
In RED are the parts that I need to replace, either because they're outdated or because they probably don't work.
 
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case
CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570k (3.4 GHz)
GPU : VTX3D Radeon HD 7950 OC X-Edition, 3 Go
MB: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory: Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9
SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To 
PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W 
Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler
OS : WIndows 10
 
I have to replace the mobo because it's dead, the GPU because it's time for an upgrade, and the CPU because it won't be compatible if I buy a new mobo. I'd like to keep this build and upgrade it in the next years so I'd like to get a mobo with a recent socket, an Intel LGA 1151 or LGA 1150.
 
Here's a build idea I got : 
 
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K (3.5 GHz) : 209.90 €
GPU : I have no idea
MB: Asus Z97-E
Memory: Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9
SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To 
PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W 
Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler
OS : WIndows 10
 
What do you think ? Will my PSU handle this config ? And what would you advise for the GPU ? I'd like my GPU + CPU + Mobo to cost less than 700 euros if possible.
 
Usage : gaming with high specs (total war, the witcher, overwatch if possible), some video editing, and photoshop.
 
Thanks in advance to everyone in this thread !

Edited by Kukaracha, 03 June 2016 - 11:43 AM.


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#2 Drillingmachine

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 12:33 PM

If that CPU is NOT overclocked, buy LGA1155 motherboard. Difference between i5-3570K and i5-6600K is very small. And i5-4690K makes no sense as LGA1150 is already obsolete socket and difference to i5-3570K is minimal.

 

I'd like to keep this build and upgrade it in the next years so I'd like to get a mobo with a recent socket, an Intel LGA 1151 or LGA 1150.
 

Sounds quite strange as there won't ever be decent CPU upgrade available to LGA1151 from i5-6600K. Same applies to i5-4690K and LGA1150.

 

For GPU, as no 14/16nm cards are not currently available, any upgrade would be waste of money. So wait for at least a month.


Edited by Drillingmachine, 03 June 2016 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 12:29 PM

I'd like to overclock, yes. So you mean that getting an 1150 would be a waste, and that I should aim for the 1151 ?

 

I'll wait for the GPU, yes, I saw the 1070 was coming up.



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Posted 04 June 2016 - 02:25 PM

I'd like to overclock, yes. So you mean that getting an 1150 would be a waste, and that I should aim for the 1151 ?

 

I'll wait for the GPU, yes, I saw the 1070 was coming up.

 

LGA1150 is already 3 years old and motherboard availability will soon be limited. Speed wise LGA1155 is almost equal with LGA1150, but LGA1155 motherboard availability is very poor. So buying 3 year old Intel platform will mean that after few years CPU is still good but lack of motherboards mean that CPU has no use.

 

Still, I would not replace i5-3570K with any LGA1151 CPU. I'd take at least i7-5820K, then difference is noticeable.


Edited by Drillingmachine, 04 June 2016 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 05:37 PM

Alright, so I'm left with two uptions : changing just the mobo, or doing a big upgrade.
 
Option 1 (changing just the mobo) :
I had a hard time finding a MB with a 1155 socket, in fact I couldn't find an ATX sized one, only mATX.
The ASRock H61M-DGS seemed good enough.
 
Option 2 (upgrading MB, CPU and RAM) : http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/user/Kkrch/saved/#view=n7FBD3
(The i7-5820k is probably too expensive for me... I went for the i5-6600k)
 
Questions :
- Wouldn't my current build, with a 1155 MB, be a bottleneck for performance, even with a 1070 GPU? I'd like to be able to play most games on High/Ultra (including multiplayer), but also run Premiere Pro fairly smoothly as well as the Adobe suite (Illustrator, Photoshop, Indesign).
- Are there really so few differences between the i5-3570k and the LGA1151 generation, so few that an upgrade seems injustified?
 
Thank you very much for your help!

Edited by Kukaracha, 04 June 2016 - 05:39 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 06:45 PM

It's true there is very littte differnce between that gen I5 (3570K) to the 4670k-4690k, and to the 6600k. The most you would expect as an improvement in frame rates would be like 3-5-6 frames at best situation depending with any high end GPU. After all you still see 3570k's paired with very high end GPU's like a GTX 980, GTX 980TI, R9 390x etc, even SLI/Crossfire and the 3570k still pulls very consistent high frame rates. I use a 4670k and have zero plans to upgrade anytime soon it handles my higher end GPU great. Actually even the older I5 2500K does well still.

 

Think if it this way, someone using something like an AMD FX8350 would be very happy to have your 3570k and the advantage that an Intel I5 processor brings to the table. That said, if I were in your situation I would jump on something like this little Asus Z77 motherboard with a Hyper 212 and OC it to about 4.0-4.3 GHZ to equal out any difference between the stock clocked 6600k advantage.


Edited by Zone_86, 04 June 2016 - 06:47 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2016 - 10:58 AM

I decided that buying a 1155 mobo would be enough. It's the cheapest option, and I did check the compared performances with the 6600K and there isn't that big a difference.

 

However, doesn't newegg only ship to NA? I live in France and I can't find a decent ATX 1155 motherboard. The only models I find are mATX and pretty outdated too, with no USB 3.0 ports.

Here's the only one I found that would fit : https://www.amazon.fr/ASRock-H61M-IDE-Express-Socket-LGA1155/dp/B00GZRTMJC/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1465140167&sr=1-5

 

The problem is that with my big Noctua NH U14S and a new graphics card, a mATX would be just enough. Before that, though, I have trouble finding a motherboard that isn't 7 years old.



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Posted 05 June 2016 - 08:10 PM

Hi again. I agree that is quite a predicament you are in. If you can possibly find at least a B75-H77-Z77 micro board it would be a better option. If not, one thing you can do is simply use a USB 3.0 card in that PCie 1x slot on the AsRock mobo. It should be small enough as not to really intefrere with the aiflow of any GPU much. Yeah that Noctua you have is difinitely going to be huge on that board and really no sense in using it on a H61 mobo because you can't overclock with it anyway - and 3570's run cool at stock clocks with a stock boxed-intel heat sink fan. So if you happen to have a stock Intel heat sink I would use that one since the only reason to use that Noctua would be for an overclock situation on a Z77 motherboard.

 

Also I do believe AmazonGlobal ships to France.

 

http://www.amazon.com/International-Shipping-Direct/b/ref=as_li_ss_tl?node=230659011&linkCode=sl2&tag=quo-ans-20&linkId=2dfa8c0d84988dd626852fc797aaf827

 

 

On an initial search I didn't find any Z77 motherboards but plenty of H77/ B75 boards some with USB 3.0

 

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dcomputers&field-keywords=H77+motherboard&rh=n%3A541966%2Ck%3AH77+motherboard


Edited by Zone_86, 05 June 2016 - 08:11 PM.


#9 Kukaracha

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 12:45 PM

Yes, in the end I settled for a mATX B75M Plus motherboard. Everything fits juuuust right, it's pretty small but it does the job and everything runs smoothly.

 

Thank you both for your kind help, I probably saved about 400 bucks! I'll buy the 1070 when it comes out and I'll be set.



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Posted 10 June 2016 - 03:54 AM

You are welcome enjoy your system!






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