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#1 johnp1785

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 09:10 AM

Hello

I mainly use to play WoW....,and need input on the components below

Would this be a decent build?

 

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price 1 14-487-076-16.jpgEVGA GeForce GTX 970 04G-P4-2974-KR 4GB SC GAMING w/ACX 2.0, Silent Cooling Graphics Card
Item #: N82E16814487076
Return Policy: Replacement Only Return Policy -$20.00  Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate $339.99
$319.99 1 11-147-053-23.jpgRosewill THOR V2 Black SECC Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
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ASUS Z170-A LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy   $119.99 1 17-438-018-09.jpgEVGA 220-G2-0850-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 850W ECO Mode Fully Modular NVIDIA SLI Ready and Crossfire Support Continuous Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817438018
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$20.00 Mail-in Rebate $149.99
$129.99 1 19-117-560-01.jpgIntel Core i7-6700 8M Skylake Quad-Core 3.4 GHz LGA 1151 65W BX80662I76700 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530
Item #: N82E16819117560
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$314.99 1 20-232-091-04.jpgG.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Intel Z170 Platform Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-32GVK
Item #: N82E16820232091
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy   $169.99 1 20-721-108-02.jpgKingston SSDNow V300 Series 2.5" 240GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SV300S37A/240G
Item #: N82E16820721108
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$64.99 1 22-148-840-10.jpgSeagate Desktop HDD ST1000DM003 1TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148840
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$49.99 1 27-135-247-02.jpgASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS
Item #: N82E16827135247
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy   $52.99 1 29-132-053-02.jpgASUS XONAR DSX 7.1 Channels PCI Express x1 Interface Audio Card
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Posted 03 June 2016 - 09:16 AM

Looks like a nice rig but the motherboard and RAM won't work together, motherboard supports DDR3 and the RAM you show is DDR4.



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Posted 03 June 2016 - 09:26 AM

ok, changed mobo to this one

ASUS Z170-A LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard



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Posted 03 June 2016 - 10:47 AM

I would change almost everything:

 

- GTX970 is expensive, made with obsolete 28nm manufacturing tech and is actually 3.5GB card that is poor on DX12 software. So impossible to recommend.

Alternatives: Radeon R9 380 4GB or even better, wait about a month for Polaris. Or wait about a month and put some more money and get much better GTX1070.

- Even 650W model of same PSU is enough to power TWO systems like that.

- Motherboard for overclocking and non-overclockable CPU makes no sense.

- WOW is so old game that i5-6600K is equally fast at much lower price.

- Where do you need 32GB RAM? For WOW even 8GB is enough.

- Kingston SSD is bad quality, much better one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4RE2Z38097

 

Also add better CPU cooler as Intel stock is totally crap.


Edited by Drillingmachine, 03 June 2016 - 10:48 AM.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 07:37 AM

The 970 is far from outdated, it can still work quite well.  However, you may be better served by waiting for AMD's Polaris and other versions of Nvidia's Pascal cards.

 

The RAM is also overkill, the only thing I can think of to use that much in a consumer PC is rendering video.

 

That's an excellent SSD Drillingmachine suggested, I have an older Crucial model in my PC.  Other brands to consider are Samsung and Intel.

 

Don't forget, you also need a copy of Windows.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 01:34 PM

ok, how about this?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jdk48K



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Posted 06 June 2016 - 03:23 PM

 

CPU: i5-6600K is equally fast for WOW and much cheaper.

Cooler: OK

Thermal paste: Use  paste that comes with cooler. Because thermal paste under CPU heat spreader is totally crap, that super thermal compound over heat spreader won't make much difference.

Motherboard: OK

SSD: This is much better http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct250mx200ssd1

HDD: OK

Video card: Because new tech 14/16nm cards are available on about a month, I see no reason to pay 300$ for chip that is made with 4 year old manufacturing process. And because your display probably is FHD 60 Hz, this is best bang for buck http://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z7Trxr/asus-video-card-strixr9380dc2oc4g

PSU: I'd take http://pcpartpicker.com/product/9q4NnQ/evga-power-supply-220g20650y1

Blu-ray: OK

Windows: As Windows 10 is supported at least 9 years, I recommend retail version as you can legally (duh) transfer it to another machine and price is not much higher http://pcpartpicker.com/product/wskwrH/microsoft-os-kw900016



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Posted 07 June 2016 - 06:59 AM

A different manufacturing process, alone, usually doesn't offer significant performance advancements, look at the 9800 GTX and 9800 GTX+.  A newer manufacturing process in conjunction with a new architecture taking advantage of it will result in performance advancements.  In lithography, nm scale refers to the number of transistors you can fit into the die, the more transistors, the more powerful the GPU or CPU can become.  Newer chips also use less power and generate less heat as a result. 

 

I suggest holding off buying until the new Polaris cards are out, even if you do decide to get the 970 as that should put pressure on prices.  I'm holding off looking at GPU's until AMD's Vega cards are out before I do anything with my GTX 980.


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Posted 07 June 2016 - 07:31 AM

A different manufacturing process, alone, usually doesn't offer significant performance advancements, look at the 9800 GTX and 9800 GTX+.  A newer manufacturing process in conjunction with a new architecture taking advantage of it will result in performance advancements.  In lithography, nm scale refers to the number of transistors you can fit into the die, the more transistors, the more powerful the GPU or CPU can become.  Newer chips also use less power and generate less heat as a result. 

 

I suggest holding off buying until the new Polaris cards are out, even if you do decide to get the 970 as that should put pressure on prices.  I'm holding off looking at GPU's until AMD's Vega cards are out before I do anything with my GTX 980.

 

Err what? GTX 1080 and GTX 980 Ti share almost same architecture, that makes at most about 10% difference. It's quite easy to estimate that "16nm 600 mm2 GTX 980 Ti" would be at least 250% faster than GTX 980 Ti (assuming memory is not limiting). And that 250% is from manufacturing process only. So manufacturing process really makes difference on GPU's.

 

As for GTX 9800 and 9800 GTX+, you forget that it was nothing more than die shrink and 9800+ was much smaller chip. It makes no sense performance wise comparing 324 mm2 (9800) and 260 mm2 (9800+) parts. "324 mm2 GTX 9800+" would have been much faster.



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Posted 09 June 2016 - 10:11 AM

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.  A process change is a die shrink. a smaller chip, alone wouldn't increase performance substantially.  A change in architecture can include a process change, such as from Maxwell to Pascal which will increase performance as the new chip design can include more transistors due to the process change.

 

I'm curious, where are you getting the 250% performance difference between the 980 Ti and 1080 from?  Most performance measurements I've seen puts it at around a 30% difference.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 01:43 PM

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.  A process change is a die shrink. a smaller chip, alone wouldn't increase performance substantially.  A change in architecture can include a process change, such as from Maxwell to Pascal which will increase performance as the new chip design can include more transistors due to the process change.

 

I'm curious, where are you getting the 250% performance difference between the 980 Ti and 1080 from?  Most performance measurements I've seen puts it at around a 30% difference.

 

Yes, we have slight confusion between terms. Die shrink means making same chip with smaller process, but it does not include any change in architecture. And so die shrink does not give any performance improvement unless clock speeds are higher. Process change and architecture are also different things. Process change may or may not include architecture change. Nothing prevents making Maxwell with 16nm process.

 

"16nm 600 mm2 GTX 980 Ti" means Maxwell architecture chip made with 16nm tech with die size of 600 mm2. That is estimation but comparing chips made with different processes is useless performance wise unless chips have almost same size. GTX 1080 is about 300 mm2 chip and GTX 980 Ti is about 600 mm2 chip. So to really see how much process change gives performance improvement, we need 16nm Maxwell chip with die size of 600 mm2. As chip like that will never come, we have to make some estimations. So comparing GTX 1080 vs GTX 980 Ti does not tell anything about how much process change alone helps as GTX 1080 is much smaller (and could be at least twice bigger) than GTX 980 Ti.






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