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#1 66Batmobile

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Posted 02 June 2016 - 06:13 PM

Hello all,

 

Experienced a first today-cinnamon crashed and went into "Fallback mode" while I was browsing away.  It only happened once, and has been fine since then.  I did a little research, and only found references to nvidia drivers-which I don't have.  Anybody else ever see one of these happen?  Just wondering if it's a hiccup as it were, or whether to start obsessing over it :scratchhead:


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Posted 02 June 2016 - 06:31 PM

G'day 66.....personally.....I would just reboot.......and keep going.

 

Yesterday I managed to actually wipeout my desktop...(cinnamon).....and via a little bit of trickery and a huge chunk of good luck....its back !......I have never gone to the command window on boot....until yesterday !......

 

Talk about flying blind !!!

 

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Posted 02 June 2016 - 07:02 PM

G'day 66.....personally.....I would just reboot.......and keep going.

 

Yesterday I managed to actually wipeout my desktop...(cinnamon).....and via a little bit of trickery and a huge chunk of good luck....its back !......I have never gone to the command window on boot....until yesterday !......

 

Yeah, that's more or less what I did-just restarted X and carried on.  

Good job on getting everything back-my go to move is usually just to reinstall if it gets that bad...

 

Just think.....if that had been windows....you would be right, royally Screwed !

No doubt...I freely admit I'm still trying not to go off the deep end at the slightest glitch, hence the line about obsessing.  Windows scarred me for life in that regard...


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Posted 02 June 2016 - 08:16 PM

Didn't happen to be running any VMWare application at the time too?



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Posted 02 June 2016 - 08:27 PM

Didn't happen to be running any VMWare application at the time too?

Nope...don't have any installed...


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Posted 03 June 2016 - 03:02 AM

 

G'day 66.....personally.....I would just reboot.......and keep going.

 

 

+1! :thumbup2:

 

I've found this to happen on Cinnamon myself, one of three reasons why I stuck with MATE instead. Just keep pounding. :)

 

One of the others is that the wallpaper comes flying out at me, rather than simply being there. 

 

Finally, the VMware issue, had troubles with running VMware Workstation Player on Linux MInt Cinnamon 17.2 & .3 (the client would crash). so threw in the towel, probably for the last time. Have tried every Cinnamon version since 13, and while the appearance is better than in 2012 when Mint Cinnamon 13 was released, is still dogged by some stability issues. It could be the hardware configuration, though have tried on various machines, including one AMD model. And my main PC is no slouch (specs in my sig & will include a Linux type here), so should be an easy ride for Cinnamon to run on. I just don't get it that MATE runs near perfect & Cinnamon runs bad on the same PC. :(

 

 

cat@cat-XPS-8700 ~ $ inxi -Fx

System:    Host: cat-XPS-8700 Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.2)
           Desktop: MATE 1.12.0 (Gtk 3.10.8~8+qiana)
           Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Machine:   System: Dell product: XPS 8700
           Mobo: Dell model: 0KWVT8 v: A00 Bios: Dell v: A11 date: 07/09/2015
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-4790K (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 31927
           clock speeds: max: 4001 MHz 1: 4001 MHz 2: 4001 MHz 3: 4001 MHz
           4: 4001 MHz 5: 4001 MHz 6: 4001 MHz 7: 4001 MHz 8: 4001 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 960/PCIe/SSE2
           GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 364.19 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-2 NVIDIA Device 0fba driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Card-3 Logitech Webcam B500 driver: USB Audio usb-ID: 001-003
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-32-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: b8:ca:3a:97:33:8f
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235
           driver: iwlwifi v: in-tree: bus-ID: 04:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: down mac: c4:85:08:40:98:27
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1768.4GB (8.9% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 512.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: Crucial_CT256M55 size: 256.1GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdc model: ST1000DM003 size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 40G used: 8.3G (23%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb2
           ID-2: /home size: 394G used: 135G (36%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdc1
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.33GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdc8
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 0.0:31C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 271 Uptime: 3:10 Memory: 3111.9/32126.0MB
           Init: Upstart runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.4
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111) inxi: 2.2.28 
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Who said that the i7-4790K runs hot on stock cooler? 3 hours & 10 minutes up time & running at 29.8C with several browser pages open, there's no justifying anyone stating that, when they do, won't offer proof as I have above. 

 

I've been reading since Mint 13 that Cinnamon is maturing or has matured since 2012, sounds like a broken record now. Don't know if the authors of the articles are trying to convince us, or themselves. :P

 

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Posted 03 June 2016 - 03:11 AM

I had this happen to me too, but pre cinnamon  3.0


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Posted 03 June 2016 - 05:17 PM

I've studied up on this a bit and it seems it is a graphics issue, "hardware acceleration" is needed for Cinnamon.  This might be too much for your graphics card.  Glad we are discussing this as I was just going to install Cinnamon as one of my main distros.  Now I think I will install something else.  One suggestion is to install the Mate Desktop, this way you don't have to re-install if you continue to have issues.  Or you can just live with it, I don't know the best answer for that.  I have seen people use this technique many times on Linux forums and have used them a few times my self.  So sad, I love that Cinnamon Desktop!

sudo apt-get install mint-meta-mate

You might also take a look at what the Driver Manager says, are there any suggested Video drivers there?  Don't think this will be of help but it's worth a look.

 

Also, don't see you inxi output anywhere, this will help you get faster more accurate info when needed.  Your Profile only says "Intel 2nd Gen Integrated" In In Terminal do:

inxi -F

And Copy Paste the outcome to the begging of your Threads if needed.  I also keep this in Document form to carry to all other computers, or if in Windows on a dual boot you will have it.  This can come in handy when Linux won't boot or something just don't allow you access to it easily.  Simple stuff that can be a life saver.


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Posted 03 June 2016 - 07:09 PM

 

"hardware acceleration" is needed for Cinnamon

Is there a way to check if that's enabled?

As to the graphics drivers

Graphics: 

               Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
                  X.Org: 1.15.1

                  drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1600x900@59.9hz
                  GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.1.3

 

Yesterday was the only time that particular issue happened-nothing since

 

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 04:20 AM

66Batmobile, looks like the graphics are good to go, if taken from the inxi -F or inxi -Fx commands. :thumbup2:

 

Usually the Hz level is around 60, but many will run fine at 59.0-59.9, shouldn't be a big deal. Your X.Org drivers are two versions behind mine, yet I'm on a newer chip, plus running from a discrete card, maybe that why mine shows the folling below. 

 

 

Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,no

 

The 'hardware acceleration' feature can be enabled in the browser, depending on which one is running. On Google Chrome, this is easy to set, go the the Settings > Show Advanced settings >System (near the very bottom of the page), there's an option to 'Use hardware acceleration when available', right below 'Continue running background apps when Google Chrome is closed'. 

 

It's OK to use hardware acceleration when available, only if you have plenty of extra resources should you check the other option, as that one can use a lot of resources on a computer with less than 8GB RAM & preferably a quad core CPU, though some of the better end dual core CPU's will play fine with the feature. :)

 

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 05:15 PM

I had a crash with Cinnamon yesterday. I run 3 Rosa Cinnamons on different units, Linux Mint, plus a Cinnamon on a Manjaro.

 

I was investigating the Orca Screenreader on first Cinnamon, and then Ubuntu to see if it was configured by default as it is with Vinux 5.0 (for my Visually Challenged Topic). The On/Off switch for Orca wherever you go is notoriously dodgy, and I was trying to switch it off when the crash occurred.

 

Rather than take the option to restart Cinnamon I chose not to to see what the outcome was. A predominantly black desktop with little to no opportunity to exercise any options, so powered down and restarted OK.

 

This was my first problem with Cinnamon in 8 months.

 

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 05:53 PM

 

This was my first problem with Cinnamon in 8 months.

That's quite the coincidence there Wiz, pretty interesting.  Good to know, once in 8 months an't to bad.

 

I read up on this quite a bit to no avail.  There were lots of suggestions but none of them were a solution.  It seems that it is a problem regardless of Video Card also.  Read about people trying to use the Proprietary Drivers also but none were successful.  Should have listened to cat's advice and moved on lol.  Not sure whether I will even install Cinnamon now, thanks for this Thread it is helpful. 


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 06:41 PM

@cat

 

Your X.Org drivers are two versions behind mine

No idea why either, unless it's from only running level 1-3 updates for mint...

 

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Appreciate your time checking...that's pretty much what I came up with too...

 

I had a crash with Cinnamon yesterday.

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Wait...let's see, factoring in the time difference...maybe I'm the copycat?

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 07:04 PM

@cat

 

Your X.Org drivers are two versions behind mine

No idea why either, unless it's from only running level 1-3 updates for mint... 

Most likely this: "Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa" and you are running 17.2 if memory serves right.

 

There are 4 different Linux Mint 17.x releases available:

  • Linux Mint 17 "Qiana" (kernel 3.13, xorg 1.15, mesa 10.1.3)
  • Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" (kernel 3.13, xorg 1.15, mesa 10.1.3)
  • Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" (kernel 3.16, xorg 1.15, mesa 10.1.3)
  • Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" (kernel 3.19, xorg 1.17, mesa 10.5.9)
  • https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_rosa_cinnamon.php

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 07:16 PM

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Noted...I never got around to 17.3, mostly because I was doing ok with 17.2 (this issue aside).  Besides, 18 is coming up shortly anyway.


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