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Upgrade for Sapphire Radeon R7 265?


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#1 GameGuru

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 09:55 PM

I am thinking about upgrading my video card because Ark: Survival Evolved is taxing and I can't run it at Ultra settings.  When I built this PC I bought a motherboard with two x16 PCI Express slots because I planned on just adding a second Sapphire Radeon R7 265 in the future and run Crossfire.  I am now in the need and when looking online on eBay and other sites I am seeing it used for $120 and new up to over $400.  I am wondering if I would be better off just getting a single new card and wondering what would compare to two Radeon R7 265s  in a single card for around $200?


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Posted 23 April 2016 - 10:45 PM

Hi, GameGuru

 

Typically with this sort of problem is that you have to throw more money at it to make it go away. The video card that you have is aged and of course there are more expensive ones out. You already knew that. Of course buying a secondary video card is going to give you a performance boost. You may get a issue  with the PSU not delivering the power enough for both cards. Another thing to consider rebuilding the computer with a FX8350 8core which pulls about 10% increase over the Fx6300. If you do get a newer cpu and another R7 that will definitely tax the PSU. Or, you could go with a more expensive video card 512kbit 3.0 that start around $400. Spending $200 will likely get you just another 256kbit video card which is not what you want. Your best bet is to upgrade the CPU and buy a secondary R7 and better PSU. Later in the future as games get more intense you will need to get into 2x R9 512kbit xfires. That comes with a hefty price tag of around $800 or more. Hopefully by then prices will come down. You may have to completely rebuild by then as technology changes.



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Posted 23 April 2016 - 10:47 PM

I imagine a r9 380 will do it, if your wanting the extra go for the sapphire r9 380 nitro. it wont be hugely more powerful, but there will be a noticeable difference, and it supports a directX 12, which your current  card does not-makes for a nice reason to upgrade.....


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Posted 23 April 2016 - 11:04 PM

Upgrading to D3D12 is a good thing. However, I would hate to see the OP throw money into a card and still be in the same boat and only gained a tiny bit of performance and the cpu is still chugging along. AMD in general is already a poor choice in gaming. Games still love that high clock and now with intel 2011 Quad channel cpu's the performance is through the roof, but so is the cost...  :(



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Posted 24 April 2016 - 01:16 AM

I've no issue with AMD chips and gaming, I run AMD in all my gaming rigs right next to Intel rigs all day long. Intel does in some games offer better performance, but not enough to be worth the extra cash you have to fork out to get them. And in some games I've found AMD to outperform intel, depends on the application.

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 10:53 AM

I can't afford to upgrade anything but video. If I was to go up to $300 what video card is recommended and would allow me 40+ fps at epic at 1080?

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 10:58 AM

I can't afford to upgrade anything but video. If I was to go up to $300 what video card is recommended and would allow me 40+ fps at epic at 1080?

 

R9 380 would be my recommendation right now. And 4GB of course.


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Posted 24 April 2016 - 11:45 AM

Passmark on my R7 265 is about 4000, R9 380 is 5533, is that a worthwhile upgrade?

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 11:58 AM

Passmark on my R7 265 is about 4000, R9 380 is 5533, is that a worthwhile upgrade?

 

Passmark, hard to imagine worse software for GPU comparison.

 

Problem is that new generation GPU's are around corner. Because of that I cannot recommend to invest huge amount of money to old technology. R9 380 is very good card (considering price) for 1080 gaming at around 60 FPS. Also more trouble free than any Crossfire setup.

 

Another problem is that comparing to R7 265, it is not very big upgrade. Newer architechture but still no match against new generation cards that are coming.

 

All things considered I prefer R9 380 over R7 265 Crossfire and new generation cards over both. So I recommend that you save money and invest bigger upgrade when 14/16nm cards arrive.



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Posted 24 April 2016 - 12:11 PM

I see I can get an R9 390 for just over $300 and it gets Passmark 6900. Is that worth the extra $100 over the R9 380 you think?

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 12:20 PM

I see I can get an R9 390 for just over $300 and it gets Passmark 6900. Is that worth the extra $100 over the R9 380 you think?

 

It's 100$ worth over. However investing old tech while new is around corner is not very wise. However in case you want better performance now, you don't have a choice, right?


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Posted 24 April 2016 - 12:23 PM

I guess the question would be how far is around the corner? Are there release dates?

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 12:41 PM

I guess the question would be how far is around the corner? Are there release dates?

 

Mostly rumours. "Back to school" period is very good guess for first products, but whether that includes discrete graphic cards, is another question.


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Posted 24 April 2016 - 12:49 PM

I can't find a official release date, but it's supposed to be sometime this summer.

Some things to consider is, brand new they are likely to be expensive, more so then the 300 cards now. Course you will also have time to save up more money for one.

And if you wait until their price comes down, the next series will be around the corner. This is the nature of computer hardware.

If it were me I would wait until the new release and save my pennies until I could afford a single high end card (instead of another mod range) so as to better future proof my system. If you don't want to wait your best bet is to go with a factory overclocked r9 380 or a r9 390.

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 01:01 PM

I can't find a official release date, but it's supposed to be sometime this summer.

Some things to consider is, brand new they are likely to be expensive, more so then the 300 cards now. Course you will also have time to save up more money for one.

And if you wait until their price comes down, the next series will be around the corner. This is the nature of computer hardware.

If it were me I would wait until the new release and save my pennies until I could afford a single high end card (instead of another mod range) so as to better future proof my system. If you don't want to wait your best bet is to go with a factory overclocked r9 380 or a r9 390.

 

Some rumours say that high very end cards come next year and only some mid range cards this year, and those mid range cards probably are not very high priced. That is still just rumours.

 

Nature is not this time around. We have waited hese 14/16nm cards 4 years now because 20nm parts were cancelled. This 14/16nm manufacturing process is biggest single upgrade ever on GPU's. Also during recent years GPU prices have gone up, not down. Quite funny that very old manufacturing process = higher prices as it gets even more older.

 

HBM2 is not likely to arrive soon though (perhaps exception is ultra high proce cards) because newcomer GDDR5X offers somewhat more memory bandwidth than GDDR5 very cheaply and so HBM2 is not so urgently needed.






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