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Is there a trustworthy list of Win 7 updates on BC?


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#1 Ubiq

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 09:28 PM

Hi!. I don't want to update this laptop to W10.

So, once I started getting the nag screen I stopped trusting the updates. I have a bit of free time right now and would like to work on getting caught up with updates that won't bork my system and if all goes well, I'd like to try removing whatever caused the W10 nag screen.

 

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 04:42 AM

I used this program from Steve Gibson to get rid of the Windows 10 nags. One click and that's it. I even turned auto updates back on because this works.

 

 

 

 

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm



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Posted 20 April 2016 - 02:19 PM

Thanks Frankp316!

I ran Never10 and it tells me it works. I still have the Get W10 icon in the task bar however, so maybe it didn't work?

 

Anyway, my biggest problem is that I really need a reliable list of the Windows Updates that I should and shouldn't be installing. There are lots of articles on this topic online, but I don't have the technical knowledge or the time to read all of them and reconcile the differences. I'm kinda surprised there's not a list of ill-advised updates pinned at the top of this forum. Does anyone have a link for an article on this topic that I can trust?

 

Also, in case anyone is wondering, I'm not anti-W10 or pro-W7 and am totally uninterested in that weird fight. I simply don't want to put W10 on this particular laptop for various good and healthy reasons.


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Posted 20 April 2016 - 05:36 PM

The website says you may have to run the product more than once. I didn't have to. It worked when I ran it the first time. Maybe you have to run it again.



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 02:57 AM

Hi Ubiq,

 

Something like this (telemetry and 10 upgrades)

 

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/611229/windows-7-updates-unsafe/?p=3980053

 

Also GWX control panal will disable win 10 upgrades(including nag screen and icon)

 

HTH

 

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Edited by hedgeley, 21 April 2016 - 03:06 AM.


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:12 AM

Run NEVER10 every day if you have to as it needs to get caught up on the status of your computer.

 

By that I mean do all of your Windows Updates as I suspect NEVER10 needs to take updated Windows Updates to account because Microsoft is continuously updating their Windows 10 items

 

Make sure to keep NEVER10 up-to-date and that its doing its job even if you have to follow it on a daily basis at first as it isn't a set it and forget it

 

"There are lots of articles on this topic online, but I don't have the technical knowledge or the time to read all of them and reconcile the differences." That's definitely a very good comment.

--- But now that you are using NEVER10, let it do its job.

 

Well with all of that said, it sounds to me like you would like some understanding of what needs to get done.

You could consider reading this article

How to Remove “Get Windows 10” App and Its Icon from Taskbar:

http://www.askvg.com/how-to-remove-get-windows-10-app-and-its-icon-from-taskbar/

But be careful about interfering about what NEVER10 does because I suspect it accomplishes what that article covers.



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 10:56 AM

Never 10 seems to be working now as Windows Update no longer displays the W10 upgrade icon. It looks like its old self again.

 

However, I still need a list of trusted updates. Or perhaps it would be better to say a list of updates to be avoided.

 

I will be gradually updating W7 a few updates at a time until my next round of classes starts and I really want to avoid any that will mess up my system. This article lists five updates I should avoid. However, most articles I've seen mention a much bigger number. So I'm not sure what to do. The end result is that I'm not updating at all while trying to research enough to figure this out.


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 11:36 AM

Thanks for letting us know that NEVER10 works fine for you now.

 

On your request for a list of updates to be avoided, this is what has worked for me very well.

--- I suspect that NEVER10 will do that for you but in case you would like to know:

I maintain 3 Windows 7 computers at home and had manually done these before GWX & NEVER10 came into use.

The article you posted shows 3 items for Windows 7: 3035583, 2952664, 3021917.

Those are correct. I also do KB3068708: KB3012973, KB3075249 & KB3080149

KB2977759, KB2990214, KB3050265 & KB3083710

I don’t recall what each one does but those are the ones I work on when I help my friends and family who do not want Windows 10 on their computers.

 

You mentioned that the article you posted has 5 updates to deal with

--- 3 of those are for Windows 7

--- The other 2 are for Windows 8: do you need to follow up on those?



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 01:51 PM

Thanks cmptrgy!!

 

I see now what you mean about two of them being W8 only. I will go ahead with leaving those three out of my update process.

 

I have seen some very long lists of updates to avoid, so that seems suspiciously easy to me. Am I correct in assuming the other updates being avoided are due to concerns about telemetry, rather than W10 installation?
 

Hedgeley,

Thanks for the link!

Dc3 had a very interesting contribution there, but it looks like that thread is possibly in danger of devolving from another user.

Personally I don't have any problem with Microsoft and even own stock, but I am tired of trying to pull usable information out of arguments, so I'll probably skip reading it any further.


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Video Card: Intel HD Graphics Revision 2 1720 MBytes

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Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:23 PM

Thanks for getting back to us Ubiq.

Please know I would let NEVER10 do its job: keep it up to date and ensure it's working to your satisfaction.

Post back if any issues come up.



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Posted 25 April 2016 - 02:34 AM

Should I install KB3148198 (Cumulative Security Update for IE11)?

 

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 03:26 PM

Removing the GWX icon, firstly remove the update KB3035583. Then search your harddrive and make sure no copies of GWX.exe remain. After that make sure updates are set to "check automatically but ask me whether I want to download".

A program I have heard discussed for stopping windows 10/GWX* and other unwelcome stuff is GWXcontrolpanel.

There's this post as well, it's got quite a lot of links at the bottom, it says what all of them are and some will be helpful to you:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/611138/how-to-kill-windows-10-installation/#entry3980375


*Just incase you haven't heard this term before GWX is the program (Get Windows X) responsible for pop-ups and prompts about windows 10 on windows 7/8/8.1 systems.

Edited by rp88, 25 April 2016 - 03:27 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 07:27 AM

frankp316

 

You don't have to run Never 10 daily. I only ran it once. But it seems it will only work on PCs that are already up to date. And it says on the Never 10 website that it may not work the first time so keep trying it.

 

Thanks for your advice.  I’ll keep Never 10 in mind as an additional source of protection against unwanted GWX updates.


Edited by Castle Robin, 03 May 2016 - 07:53 AM.





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