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#1 Mr Alpha

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 05:33 PM

It seems no matter how much the enlightened minority of internet user try to educate the rest, basic steps to secure internet capable computers are left undone.

According to the survey conducted by Harris Interactive on behalf of ESET:
* 88 percent of computer users have anti-virus software on their machines.
* Almost two-thirds (65 percent) of those users are reluctant to update the software after it's installed.

An anti-virus without up-to-date signatures is worthless.

Maybe there should be some kind of test that makes sure everybody knows why and is capable to do the basic steps of keeping a computer secure.

Something like this:
* Install an anti-virus (and make sure real time scanning is enabled).
* Install an anti-spyware.
* Keep both the anti-virus and the anti-spyware updated. As in at least daily.
* Use a firewall. Sure its a hassle, but just do it.
* Don't open the email attachment. Sure BrittneySpearsNude.jpg.exe might sound interesting, but it's malware. Just trust me on this one.
* Last but not least: Keep your programs and OS patched. So we can avoid this kind of things:
Hacked Ad Seen on MySpace Served Spyware to a Million
That could have been a million computer bot-net, which could potentially bring down the whole internet. Damages would have been incalcuable. And it was using the wmf-exploit which was patched back in January. That's a million internet user who haven't patched their machines in 6 months.


The security situation of the average internet user is horrible. Sure blocking ignorants from the web might seem harsh, but as we are moving from script kiddies to more malicious people taking advantage of their ignorance the potential for serious damage is skyrocketing.
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Posted 08 November 2006 - 04:52 AM

Maybe there should be some kind of test that makes sure everybody knows why and is capable to do the basic steps of keeping a computer secure

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The security situation of the average internet user is horrible. Sure blocking ignorants from the web might seem harsh, but as we are moving from script kiddies to more malicious people taking advantage of their ignorance the potential for serious damage is skyrocketing

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With all due respect, I beg to differ from you. I can understand this view from your "GEEK" user's mindset, but isn't there enough as enough of big brothers policing every aspect of one's live?? Your suggestions appears DRACONIAN border on the ridiculous!! This is not a FABIAN society! We do live in a Republic with freedom to live, think, and choose accordingly; unlike PROC that controls every aspect of its citizen' live(whatever information they can access from the internet are dictated by that government). Of course, there are innumerable inexperienced users, ignorant users, complacent users, average users littering the landscape, but desire to control their personal habits/views/ perspective in computer usage is socialistic. In a perfect world, it would be nice if people are not ignorant, if people are responsible, if people are not stupid, if people would not be complacent, if people would just acquire basic computer skill, if people would only do the right thing, if only they would behave, if only they would follow direction, if they would only keep their computer secure, if they would only listen, if they would only be sensible, if...., if...., if.....,if.....; if only they can be controlled. Well, all kinds of undesirable makes this world go round, yet we can not hold their hands, policing their ignorance or stupidity or complacency or irresponsible behaviors or attitude towards computer. Of course, having personal responsibility towards their computer would be nice, having basic knowledge of computer would be nice; perhaps some people choose to be ignorant and irresponsible or do not care to be knowledgeable about their computer, overall this is no one's bleeping business!! If they want to be like that , you can not police their attitudes!! You can not oversight their irresponsible behaviors towards their computer!! However we are disgusted with their ill treatment of their computer, we can only try to teach them the right way of doing things; but it is up to them to choose whether they want it or not. It is not up to you to decide, it is up to them. If they choose ignorance, thats their right to be ignorant. IF ONLY.................???? We do not need any more impositions!!! ....We can only shake our head.....the oligarchy state we are in! Warmly. YOYO. :thumbsup: :flowers: :trumpet:

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 12:44 PM



Maybe there should be some kind of test that makes sure everybody knows why and is capable to do the basic steps of keeping a computer secure

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The security situation of the average internet user is horrible. Sure blocking ignorants from the web might seem harsh, but as we are moving from script kiddies to more malicious people taking advantage of their ignorance the potential for serious damage is skyrocketing

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Well, all kinds of undesirable makes this world go round, yet we can not hold their hands, policing their ignorance or stupidity or complacency or irresponsible behaviors or attitude towards computer. Of course, having personal responsibility towards their computer would be nice, having basic knowledge of computer would be nice; perhaps some people choose to be ignorant and irresponsible or do not care to be knowledgeable about their computer, overall this is no one's bleeping business!! If they want to be like that , you can not police their attitudes!! You can not oversight their irresponsible behaviors towards their computer!! However we are disgusted with their ill treatment of their computer, we can only try to teach them the right way of doing things; but it is up to them to choose whether they want it or not. It is not up to you to decide, it is up to them. If they choose ignorance, thats their right to be ignorant. IF ONLY.................???? We do not need any more impositions!!! ....We can only shake our head.....the oligarchy state we are in! Warmly. YOYO. :thumbsup: :flowers: :trumpet:

I agree with MGBY, specially that I put in red collor. I think there is no need of an internet driver's license. That action is a very draconian one and, like MGBY said, it's enough the average internet users change their behaviors and be more responsible with their computers.
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Edited by Darthy, 08 November 2006 - 01:28 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:23 PM

Re: "Sure blocking ignorants from the web might seem harsh..."


I do understand much of the frustration - but "ignorants" are often those that simply 'don't know' - which, in my book, makes them far more 'uneducated' than ignorant, perhaps?

If we take a 'baby-boomer' age person, for instance, and hand them a brand new computer, even those that work on computers all day in the office, they are 'innocents' thrust out there into the real internet world. After all, in the workplace, they have someone else to be concerned about security, etc and are often only fully competent at working one of two programs on the computer.

It's even harder for someone who has never ever touched a computer before - and was raised relying on written reference material. We open a brand new computer box and there's not a scrap of written paper inside except for a diagram re hooking it up. There is magic waiting out there for us but far more frustration and complications that most of us had ever imagined - gentle sigh.

What I'd love to see if computer manufacturer's actually include a written "Getting Started" (Survival Guide) - containing information such as,

Step I: Ensure the computer's built-in firewall is activated (and who to find it and what to tick if necessary)
Step II: Ensure the computer's built-in 'Windows Updates' will be automatically up-dated (and how to do this)
Step III: Ensure anti-virus software is downloaded - and installed properly - (and how to do it) prior to discovering the internet!

Sadly, unless one knows about these things the usual way of finding out about them is after a woe has happened and then, if we are very lucky, we find a site such as this :thumbsup: or 'Newbie' (hope you don't mind my mentioning them but they are wonderful, too).

It's because of wonderful sites such as our BleepingComputer that we newbies even stand a fighting chance - and most of us learn as quickly as we can, honestly :flowers:

So, while I honestly understand much of the frustration you may be feeling, those of us still learning and trying very hard, I still think of as 'learning as we go' --- but I'll happily concede that those that know about protection and simply don't use it (for what ever reason), a harsher term may apply - gentle smile.
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Posted 08 November 2006 - 07:52 PM

Having worked in the computer technical support field myself, I can relate to the frustration over the lack of knowledge in basic internet safety. However, I do not think that this lack of knowledge should be used to restrict or dare I say censor a persons access to computers or the internet. net safety courses or tutorials built into the os would be a better idea.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 08:29 PM

Having worked in the computer technical support field myself, I can relate to the frustration over the lack of knowledge in basic internet safety. However, I do not think that this lack of knowledge should be used to restrict or dare I say censor a persons access to computers or the internet. net safety courses or tutorials built into the os would be a better idea.

Seafox14

Hi Seafox14.I agree with your points on this.I am 62 and I have only been on the internet for less than 12 months. I spend as much time as possible researching for software and implementing as many safety precautions as possible,and I feel if I make a determined effort in these areas, I should not be singled out for special treatment just through lack of knowledge.An OS tutorial would sure make life much easier for us newbies,instead of spending countless hours searching the net for answers.Since becoming a member of BC
recently, I am feeling confident if I do have a problem, the BC members will be only too willing to help :thumbsup: .

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Edited by DSTM, 08 November 2006 - 08:57 PM.















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Posted 08 November 2006 - 08:36 PM

Might I suggest this link from Donna at CoU

RadarSync will scan your system for free and tell you which drivers and programs are outdated. Then join RadarSync's Premium Service to get the updates automatically!
http://www.dozleng.com/updates/index.php?s...c=11866&hl=
http://new.radarsync.com/comparison.php


I don't and will not allow "automagic" updates on anything , but for someone less "aware" sounds like it might be a good deal ,28.95 and you can almost be oblivious to updating (though I don't think anyone should be)

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 09:03 PM

Thanks so much for your suggestion, no one,and will check it out for sure. :thumbsup:

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 01:08 AM

We sometimes have different philosophies.
I am not comfortable with the gotta-have the antivirus attitude. It can't prevent errors from human clicks.
The firewall seems to just mess up my browsing fun by slowing me to a crawl. On broadband it's not ok.
Anything that takes my RAM is not cool.
I use the common tools every week, adaware, hijackthis, etc.
I visually look in the c drive, check add/remove utility, check downloaded files and add-ons for IE.
I never do automatic updates, I let it tell me about available updates and I choose to visit MS.
I do have the defender from windows.
I check to startup folder for each user account, I never let programs update info automatically, not even the operating system!
I notice any loss of RAM, or any excessive popup or other signs of infestation. The hijacks are the worst.

I use common sense. It ain't perfect.
I don't get more pests without an antivirus/ lack firewall than I was getting before.
When I do get a problem, I will reinstall the anti-virus as a tool to locate what I need to know more that anything else. After running all my other spyware/adware etc tools.


The myspace newsstory is something to think about. It was served up by advertisers which are in business with myspace. How do we combat that? For reals? we can't. not when they're in bed together.

What gets me is microsoft. They give us tools to prevent the download of active x content without express permission by saying ok on the little yellow bar. but you visit msn and what do they have? active x controls. am I saying ok to msn's active x... or is there one of those questionable unscrupulous ads that I need to worry about? I honestly don't know and don't trust them.

not to mention MS could provide antivirus with the OS. just something more for somebody to sell us.
I find it all irritating.

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Edited by raeinbow, 13 November 2006 - 01:10 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:39 PM

not to mention MS could provide antivirus with the OS. just something more for somebody to sell us.
I find it all irritating.

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Microsoft is building windows defender into Vista, and Symantech and Network Associets are not happy with this because early reports indicate that windows defender cannot be removed or diabled on Vista.


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Posted 15 November 2006 - 12:43 AM

While I certainly understand the original poster's point of view, especially since I read all of the posts on BC's forums, it seems to me that a similar argument could be made, for example, that only certain people who have passed some sort of test should be allowed to vote, or read books (well, at least CERTAIN books).
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 12:53 AM

I do understand much of the frustration - but "ignorants" are often those that simply 'don't know' - which, in my book, makes them far more 'uneducated' than ignorant, perhaps?


From dictionary.com
ig‧no‧rant  /ˈɪgnərənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ig-ner-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
so really lack of knowledge and ignorant mean the same thing..

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 02:34 AM


I do understand much of the frustration - but "ignorants" are often those that simply 'don't know' - which, in my book, makes them far more 'uneducated' than ignorant, perhaps?


From dictionary.com
ig‧no‧rant  /ˈɪgnərənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ig-ner-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
so really lack of knowledge and ignorant mean the same thing..


Were you an overnight success story?"derree"

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 02:44 AM

I'm laughing - but not at you, derree - just at the fact that while the dictionary says it may mean the 'same thing', our society often permits a bit more leniency - gentle grin.

Yup, to me, 'ignorant' is simply those I catagorize mentally as 'bone dumb' (unwilling to learn, unable to see consequences repeatedly, etc) - while those 'lacking in knowledge' are simply geniuses waiting to happen - hoot!

As a wee example, often I would hire someone with less skills but with a great, inquisitive personality, rather than someone with tons of skills and a personality that would make most co-workers rather hide under their pillows than face that particular person each day. Skills/knowledge can be taught but some are just 'unteachable' in all the ways that truly count.

Friendly thoughts,
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Edited by MaraM, 15 November 2006 - 02:46 AM.

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Posted 16 November 2006 - 12:26 PM

I do agree with both of you on the meaning of the word...."ignorant" has come to mean stupid or rude but really it just means lack of knowledge..When it comes to flying a plane I am ignorant, does that make me a bad or stupid person..no...if someone is ignorant of the facts on how to keep there pc running clean and smooth does that make them bad? again no..I think the best way to look at the word is to break it down..it means someone ignored the facts...and no..I was not an overnight success..took two nights :thumbsup:




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