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A Question About CPU's and RAM | Windows 10 32Bit


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#1 Vinyl_Is_King

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 09:47 AM

I am wondering about the performance of computers in this aspect;

 

I plan to upgrade my current CPU for a presumably better one, now if I bought the CPU and installed it in my machine would the machine run faster even though it only has 2GB of RAM in it?

 

My complete plan is this (or along the same lines): Buy a video card first, then the CPU (or vise versa, haven't quite decided yet), then a new motherboard (so that I can upgrade the RAM passed 4GB), then RAM (8GB to start, most likely, and will go from there).

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CURRENT SPECS (BASED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD):

Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.?? Ghz (Which has been overclocked by 20%, according to my BIOS)

2GB RAM Installed

Onboard Graphics Card (2.0 Pixel Shaders, 64MB Ded RAM)

 

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PLANS FOR THE FUTURE:

Intel Core 2 Extreme : https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B000GGQCIC/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ASL6EZCZOCXER

GTX 750 Ti GDDR5-2GB : https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B015E9VDC0/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AV2NFXD9LK2MO

 

Also looking at this video card : https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00J0ISHMQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB



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Posted 09 April 2016 - 10:53 AM

 I've built a few systems in the past, but now I find I do better buying something ready made with brands like Dell, Toshiba, and Asus.  I prefer the I5 CPUs.  Have you checked to see if your current mobo will support the new CPU you're looking at?  Also when you go above 4 GB of RAM, you'll need to install a 64 bit version of Windows.

 

 Good luck.


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Posted 09 April 2016 - 11:17 AM

 

 

I plan to upgrade my current CPU for a presumably better one, now if I bought the CPU and installed it in my machine would the machine run faster even though it only has 2GB of RAM in it?

 

Yes, if you fit a faster CPU, your PC will run faster.  Tasks that rely heavily on CPU speed, like encoding audio/video will see the most improved performance. However, if your PC is struggling due to insufficient memory (e.g. swapping to disk a lot) then the improvement to your experience overall may be marginal.

 

 

 

My complete plan is this (or along the same lines): Buy a video card first, then the CPU (or vise versa, haven't quite decided yet), then a new motherboard (so that I can upgrade the RAM passed 4GB), then RAM (8GB to start, most likely, and will go from there).

 

Here's the issue with that in my opinion.  The Core 2 processor series is obsolete.  Any motherboards still available will be old stock or second hand and you're building on an outdated platform.  While the Core 2 Extreme X6800 was the dogs danglies 10 years ago, it is easily bested by even a budget CPU today :)

 

To give an idea of relative CPU power between the X6800, and two lower cost modern CPU's (Athlon X4 860K and Pentium G4400) see here - http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=933&cmp%5B%5D=2362&cmp%5B%5D=2634

 

Personally, I'd suggest if you want to get the video card with the view to eventually upgrading the rest of it, that's fine.  If you plan to change the CPU, motherboard, and memory, there's not much point in sticking with 10 year old designs.  Buy new memory, CPU and motherboard in one.  Don't forget if you have an OEM version of Windows you might need to buy a new license to use a new motherboard, and check that the rest of your system (power supply, disks etc.) is in good health and compatible too.

 

Here is just an example of a low cost CPU, motherboard and memory combo that should easily outperform the old Core 2's - http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/gbtb4D


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Posted 09 April 2016 - 11:27 AM

LGA775 CPU's & motherboards & probably DDR2 RAM are now old & out of date technology (I know I'm still running plenty of it) and it is not worth spending any serious money on (i.e. about 80 CAD limit TOTAL for CPU + motherboard + RAM).

For a worthwhile upgrade you want a much newer processor - which will not be LGA775 - so you would need a new motherboard at the same time. RAM for the new motherboard would be at least DDR3 if not DDR4 so you would need to get that at the same time also. If you do not currently have a retail copy of Windows then you would also need a new operating system (or new licence) as an existing OE operating system licence is tied to your current motherboard.

Alternatively just replace the PC as suggested above.

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 11:38 AM

Thank you for all of the knowledge everyone.
 

The main reason I have chosen the components I did is because I looked up my motherboard and those components are what it will work with, as for the video card(s) I chose, I chose them because they are PCIe as is my motherboard so I'm ASSUMING they'll work.

 

Now I was going to buy those components and then buy a motherboard but seeing as those components are apparently older perhaps I should be focusing on a new motherboard so I can get more up-to-date components, yeah?

 

Bare with me here, custom building computers is something I'm really new to, a family member/close person to me who builds his own computers has brought me into this interesting world.



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Posted 09 April 2016 - 04:18 PM

The key is in knowing the specifics of what you are dealing with and, to that end, what is the exact model number of your system board or the make and model of the PC?
And, careful MEMBERS (?), there are many, brand new PC's running CPU's with much worse benchmarks than even 2006 PC's!
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Posted 09 April 2016 - 04:21 PM

The key is in knowing the specifics of what you are dealing with and, to that end, what is the exact model number of your system board or the make and model of the PC?
And, careful MEMBERS (?), there are many, brand new PC's running CPU's with much worse benchmarks than even 2006 PC's!

This would be my current motherboard for my desktop.

 

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5KPLAM/overview/



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Posted 09 April 2016 - 05:21 PM

OK.
Use the support link at that ASUS page you posted, then look at the CPU Support list. Scroll down a ways and, starting with the E8400 listing (my personal sweet spot), check current EBay prices for the CPU chip and Passmarks benchmark numbers for the same CPU.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8400+%40+3.00GHz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-Shipping-SLB9J-Intel-Core-2-DUO-E8400-3-00GHz-6MB-1333-06-CPU-LGA775-/311568230660?hash=item488ae9e904:g:VqEAAOSwNSxU228P
Check your existing CPU's benchmarks for comparison and find your own sweet spot.
32 bits is better than 64 bits, excepting for gamers and a very few esoteric uses. 2GB ought to be ok and you can check that in Windows.
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Posted 09 April 2016 - 07:40 PM

OK.
Use the support link at that ASUS page you posted, then look at the CPU Support list. Scroll down a ways and, starting with the E8400 listing (my personal sweet spot), check current EBay prices for the CPU chip and Passmarks benchmark numbers for the same CPU.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8400+%40+3.00GHz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-Shipping-SLB9J-Intel-Core-2-DUO-E8400-3-00GHz-6MB-1333-06-CPU-LGA775-/311568230660?hash=item488ae9e904:g:VqEAAOSwNSxU228P
Check your existing CPU's benchmarks for comparison and find your own sweet spot.
32 bits is better than 64 bits, excepting for gamers and a very few esoteric uses. 2GB ought to be ok and you can check that in Windows.

OH WOAH.... That's a Shocking difference!

 

The CPU you recommended:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8400+%40+3.00GHz

 

My current one:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+E2160+%40+1.80GHz&id=1134



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Posted 10 April 2016 - 07:33 AM

There sure is!  And guess what; that E8400 is faster than many brand new, 2016 processors which are also soldered in so you can't change them.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+N3700+%40+1.60GHz

You will also kick the "front side bus" from 800Mhz to 1333Mhz which affects how fast the CPU talks to everything else in the PC.  I regularly take 2008 PC's, upgrade that CPU and the hard disk drive (new ones are 2-3 times faster, SSDs can be 10 times faster), give it a clean install of Windows 10, and the PC, flat out, flies.


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Posted 10 April 2016 - 07:41 AM

There sure is!  And guess what; that E8400 is faster than many brand new, 2016 processors which are also soldered in so you can't change them.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+N3700+%40+1.60GHz

You will also kick the "front side bus" from 800Mhz to 1333Mhz which affects how fast the CPU talks to everything else in the PC.  I regularly take 2008 PC's, upgrade that CPU and the hard disk drive (new ones are 2-3 times faster, SSDs can be 10 times faster), give it a clean install of Windows 10, and the PC, flat out, flies.

I was actually thinking of getting this, as it has even more power. Good, bad?

 

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 : https://www.amazon.ca/Intel-Q6600-Quad-Core-Processor-Cache/dp/B000LRMR26/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460292020&sr=8-1&keywords=Intel+Core+2+Quad+Q6600



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Posted 10 April 2016 - 09:33 AM

As a note; unless you are a gamer, any CPU cores above two will just sit there and almost never be used.  I have actually seen that fact using numerous utilities and; now consider the Single Thread Rating at Passmark to be more important than the overall CPU score.

That Q6600 is a 1066Mhz front side bus and the E8400 is 1333

The E8400 Single Thread Rating: 1255

The Q6600 Single Thread Rating: 923

Even the Core 2 Quad Q9650 is not much faster than the E8400 and its $75.00

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Quad+Q9650+%40+3.00GHz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q9650-3-00GHZ-12M-1333MHz-FSB-LGA-775-SLB8W-km-/401090035142?hash=item5d62d43dc6:g:kwgAAOSwZVhWRfY5

How about an E8600 for $19: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-2-Duo-E8600-SLB9L-3-33GHz-6M-1333MHz-Socket-LGA775-Processor-CPU-km-/172137209597?hash=item28142d5efd:g:g8YAAOSwiwVWRfWN

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8600+%40+3.33GHz&id=957


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Posted 10 April 2016 - 09:45 AM

As a note; unless you are a gamer, any CPU cores above two will just sit there and almost never be used.  I have actually seen that fact using numerous utilities and; now consider the Single Thread Rating at Passmark to be more important than the overall CPU score.

That Q6600 is a 1066Mhz front side bus and the E8400 is 1333

The E8400 Single Thread Rating: 1255

The Q6600 Single Thread Rating: 923

Even the Core 2 Quad Q9650 is not much faster than the E8400 and its $75.00

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Quad+Q9650+%40+3.00GHz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q9650-3-00GHZ-12M-1333MHz-FSB-LGA-775-SLB8W-km-/401090035142?hash=item5d62d43dc6:g:kwgAAOSwZVhWRfY5

How about an E8600 for $19: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-2-Duo-E8600-SLB9L-3-33GHz-6M-1333MHz-Socket-LGA775-Processor-CPU-km-/172137209597?hash=item28142d5efd:g:g8YAAOSwiwVWRfWN

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8600+%40+3.33GHz&id=957

So I should get the one you suggested as it is best.

 

And would it work with future motherboards? I plan to upgrade, in the future, to something that can handle as much memory as I wish to throw at it.



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Posted 10 April 2016 - 10:31 AM

No; unfortunately, the LGA775 socket was retired and a new system board won't let you use it. Some of the LGA775 system boards may be a slight improvement over the P31; but, not a significant one.
Bear in mind that the E8400 or the E8600 is much faster than what you are used to and faster than many new CPU's.
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Posted 10 April 2016 - 10:38 AM

No; unfortunately, the LGA775 socket was retired and a new system board won't let you use it. Some of the LGA775 system boards may be a slight improvement over the P31; but, not a significant one.
Bear in mind that the E8400 or the E8600 is much faster than what you are used to and faster than many new CPU's.

Well buying this CPU would just be a temporary fix, as I plan to buy a completely different computer - but that's evidently in the future.

 

I'm planning to buy the parts for this build, mind you, I will be getting better RAM and possibly a different video card;

http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/39FfrH/update-4-grand-theft-auto-v-ready-pc-best-500-550-gaming-pc






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