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Looking for some advice with regards to a CPU to use with a Video Editing rig.


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#1 Cameron Archer

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 06:56 AM

Hello there, the time has come for me to upgrade my old PC, along with the i5 3570K that has served me well admittedly. But altogether my old system just wasn't cutting it. So I decided to splash out on a new build. Here is a rough idea of what the finished rig would look like (note that I will go into an explanation a bit later on about the title of my post).
 
CPU: Intel i7 5930K or Intel Xeon E5-1650 V3*
 
Cooler: Corsair H115i
 
RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4
 
SSD 1: Crucial MX100 256GB (Already Purchased)
 
SSD 2: Samsung 950 Pro M.2 512GB (this would be used for the OS (Windows 8.1), Sony Vegas of course and other intensive applications)
 
HDD: Western Digital Black 2TB (Already Purchased)
 
GPU: MSI GTX 780 3GB VRAM (Already Purchased)
 
Motherboard: Asus X99-A
 
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold (Already Purchased)
 
*So my main issue is really here (although suggestions elsewhere would equally be welcomed). I have approximately £500 to spend on a CPU and and can't really go over that if I want to be able to afford this build. My main problem is the choice between the processors. I have visited many websites on the subject of i7's vs Xeon CPU's when it comes to rendering and I see a mix of Xeons will be better by default, i7's will beat Xeon's 1v1 but a Dual CPU set up Xeon's will crush the competition. I unfortunately don't have the budget to fork out £1000+ on a High End CPU(s). 
 
So I thought if I could get some suggestions on what would be the best with regards to Xeon or i7 CPU's when it comes to rendering HD footage (since I mostly work on 2K projects). But for family as well I might need to quickly blitz through a 1080p home video. Or even if I should get another processor separate from the 2 I listed altogether. Any suggestions are greatly welcomed.
 
 
I mean from what I've seen of the 2 Processors above according to CPU Boss the Xeon beats the i7 when it comes to using both single core or all cores together.
 
 
And you also have the Xeon's natural ability to cope with really heavy workloads. As they're designed for Servers/Workstations they can take that bit more.
 
But then Passmark seemingly gives the Xeon a lower rating.
 
 
Really not sure what to go with. I'm being drawn to the Xeon myself.
 
I should mention my budget is around £1200 for a Motherboard, M.2 SSD, CPU, RAM and some type of cooling solution (whether that be Water or Air). I can probably stretch the budget to about £1250 if I need to.


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 01:35 PM

http://ark.intel.com/compare/82765,82931,82932

 

Because you have no use for extra PCI Express lanes, i7-5820K is best choice. Unless you are really willing to pay 200 bucks for 5% speed difference. You can overclock those processors btw.

 

CPUBoss is totally useless site. Don't believe me? There you go:

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5820K

 

Core i7 6700K: 8.1

Core i7 5820K: 5.6

 

CPUBenchmark uses obsolete software, so it's also totally useless.

 

As for othert parts, that Samsung M.2 drive gets very hot (so hot that it needs to throttle, otherwise it would overheat). Bad product that tries to grab money from early adopters. I'd rather wait for better M.2 drives and grab two SATA SSD's instead (one for OS and another for programs).



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 02:00 PM

http://ark.intel.com/compare/82765,82931,82932

 

Because you have no use for extra PCI Express lanes, i7-5820K is best choice. Unless you are really willing to pay 200 bucks for 5% speed difference. You can overclock those processors btw.

 

CPUBoss is totally useless site. Don't believe me? There you go:

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5820K

 

Core i7 6700K: 8.1

Core i7 5820K: 5.6

 

CPUBenchmark uses obsolete software, so it's also totally useless.

 

As for othert parts, that Samsung M.2 drive gets very hot (so hot that it needs to throttle, otherwise it would overheat). Bad product that tries to grab money from early adopters. I'd rather wait for better M.2 drives and grab two SATA SSD's instead (one for OS and another for programs).

 

I might not have the need for the express lanes. But I also do want to maximize my power with the budget I've got. I was never aware of them problems with CPUBoss.

 

Have you got a link to anything talking about the NVME drives overheating?



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 02:07 PM

Google M.2 overheat and you get tons of results. For example https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Product-Review-Samsung-SM951-M-2-Drive-703/

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/images/pic_disp.php?id=37286&width=650

 

That 950 Pro has some kind of thermal monitoring, meaning that is limits speed before overheating. So better to use extra cooling to achieve full speeds. Sounds great, eh?


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 02:08 PM

Google M.2 overheat and you get tons of results. For example https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Product-Review-Samsung-SM951-M-2-Drive-703/

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/images/pic_disp.php?id=37286&width=650

 

That 950 Pro has some kind of thermal monitoring, meaning that is limits speed before overheating. So better to use extra cooling to achieve full speeds. Sounds great, eh?

 

I see, thanks for the links. I would've Googled them myself but I'm using 3G at the moment so my signal is really bad. Thanks. 

 

What would you say about the rest of my build? Any areas I can improve or change?



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 02:13 PM

Motherboard and memory are OK. That watercooler then, unless you have good reasons to get watercooling or plan to overclock heavily, I'd go with high end air cooler like Thermalright Macho. Other parts you have already purchased.



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 02:15 PM

Motherboard and memory are OK. That watercooler then, unless you have good reasons to get watercooling or plan to overclock heavily, I'd go with high end air cooler like Thermalright Macho. Other parts you have already purchased.

 

With the Corsair cooler it was mainly because of having room for my RAM and because when I edit very long videos the rendering process is obviously very taxing on the system. So I wanted the water cooler so I could keep the CPU temps to a decent level.



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 02:32 PM

 

Motherboard and memory are OK. That watercooler then, unless you have good reasons to get watercooling or plan to overclock heavily, I'd go with high end air cooler like Thermalright Macho. Other parts you have already purchased.

 

With the Corsair cooler it was mainly because of having room for my RAM and because when I edit very long videos the rendering process is obviously very taxing on the system. So I wanted the water cooler so I could keep the CPU temps to a decent level.

 

 

RAM space is good reason. High end air cooler would also keep CPU cool enough but you have big budget so liquid cooling is not bad choice.



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 07:44 PM

If you want ultimate cooling look into a custom (non-AIO) watercooling solution. AiO only equals high-performance air cooling. Custom watercooling can surpass air.

If you're interested let me know as I am hunting for someone to pass my knowledge of the art on to XD


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 07:49 PM

If you want ultimate cooling look into a custom (non-AIO) watercooling solution. AiO only equals high-performance air cooling. Custom watercooling can surpass air.
If you're interested let me know as I am hunting for someone to pass my knowledge of the art on to XD


I would say I was interested but I don't think I really have the money for a custom loop.

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 07:55 PM

You have enough for a half-decent custom loop, but I would say ~$200-300 is the ideal budget for expansion and longevity reasons - I fully expect my loop to last me 10 years as long as I can find new mounting plates for the blocks. (Since watercooling is low tech it lasts several systems usually).


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Posted 20 March 2016 - 04:48 AM

I think this build is good for video editing and I say go with the I7 and overclock it and save yourself a couple hundred bucks.



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Posted 20 March 2016 - 08:38 PM

Google M.2 overheat and you get tons of results. For example https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Product-Review-Samsung-SM951-M-2-Drive-703/
 
https://www.pugetsystems.com/images/pic_disp.php?id=37286&width=650
 
That 950 Pro has some kind of thermal monitoring, meaning that is limits speed before overheating. So better to use extra cooling to achieve full speeds. Sounds great, eh?


Those links aren't for the 950 pro.. they are for the xm951 and xp941 drives which is a different model.

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 10:53 AM

 

Google M.2 overheat and you get tons of results. For example https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Product-Review-Samsung-SM951-M-2-Drive-703/
 
https://www.pugetsystems.com/images/pic_disp.php?id=37286&width=650
 
That 950 Pro has some kind of thermal monitoring, meaning that is limits speed before overheating. So better to use extra cooling to achieve full speeds. Sounds great, eh?


Those links aren't for the 950 pro.. they are for the xm951 and xp941 drives which is a different model.

 

 

Like I said, 950 Pro has some kind of thermal monitoring, meaning that is limits speed before overheating.

 

That still doesn't mean that 950 Pro is immune to overheat problems. It just get slower https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/samsung-950-pro-m-2-ssd-review,6.html

 

Samsung indicated that they are thermally throttling the controller. Which made us curious. See, if Samsung implements such a feature then they surely have an issue with overheating. From what we can tell, at roughly 75 Degrees C the controller will start to down-clock, and thus that will have an effect on write performance.

 

So it's safe to say that 950 Pro also has overheat problems.






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