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#1 Onyx85

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 07:05 PM

Hi! 

 

I've got about 500$ CAD that I want to invest on my computer. I think it's about time to change my motherboard and CPU and I would like to know what you guys would buy. I'm probably gonna buy online and lookout for deals on tigerdirect.ca, newegg.ca or amazon.ca. Here are my PC specs:

 

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version 10.0.10586 Build 10586
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Intel® Core™ i7 CPU         870  @ 2.93GHz, 2934 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. P1.30, 10-08-10
SMBIOS Version 2.6
Embedded Controller Version 255.255
BIOS Mode Legacy
BaseBoard Manufacturer ASRock
BaseBoard Name Base Board
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 8,00 GB
Graphic Card: Nvidia Geforce GTX 960
 
If you need any more info just ask. My goal is to make my system faster and able to handle upcoming games like Star Citizen.
 
Thanks in advance! 


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#2 Onyx85

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 07:53 PM

Would this processor be nice? 
http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-i5-4690K-Processor-Cache-FC-LGA12C/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455842762&sr=1-1&keywords=cpu

Any idea which motherboard would fit nicely with this? Or would I be better off investing a little more on the MB and less on the CPU?



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:17 PM

Don't forget to put a new copy of windows in, it is bound to the motherboard. The i5 4690k is a good choice. Look for a Z97 chipset board if you plan on overclocking, or an H97 board and the i5 4460 if you don't.

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 12:04 AM

Would this processor be nice? 
http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-i5-4690K-Processor-Cache-FC-LGA12C/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455842762&sr=1-1&keywords=cpu

Any idea which motherboard would fit nicely with this? Or would I be better off investing a little more on the MB and less on the CPU?

 

You have: 4 cores, 8 threads processor.

 

4690K is: 4 cores, 4 threads processor.

 

Upgrading from 8 thread quad core to 4 thread quad core makes no sense. Buy at least i7-5820K or overclock that 870.

 

Star Citizen most likely want 8 thread CPU so overclocking that 870 is in that way better option than 4690K. If your cad software can handle many cores, AMD FX-8350 is cheap choice and faster than 4690K when using many cores.



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 04:21 AM

"Don't forget to put a new copy of windows in, it is bound to the motherboard"

This is true if the OP currently has only an OEM licence for Windows, but not so if they have a retail licence available for Windows 7 or later.

Edited by rqt, 19 February 2016 - 04:22 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2016 - 08:02 AM

 

Would this processor be nice? 
http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-i5-4690K-Processor-Cache-FC-LGA12C/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455842762&sr=1-1&keywords=cpu

Any idea which motherboard would fit nicely with this? Or would I be better off investing a little more on the MB and less on the CPU?

 

You have: 4 cores, 8 threads processor.

 

4690K is: 4 cores, 4 threads processor.

 

Upgrading from 8 thread quad core to 4 thread quad core makes no sense. Buy at least i7-5820K or overclock that 870.

 

Star Citizen most likely want 8 thread CPU so overclocking that 870 is in that way better option than 4690K. If your cad software can handle many cores, AMD FX-8350 is cheap choice and faster than 4690K when using many cores.

 

 

I thought about the i5 4690k because I bought my current i7 used on ebay and was under the impression it was a couple generations inferior to the 4690k. I didn't realize the number of threads was so important. I was more looking at the 2,93Ghz vs 3,9Ghz for the i5... The i7-5820K you are suggesting is over my 500$ budget and I don't even have a motherboard at that price. I found this AMD FX-8350 on newegg:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

 

Honestly I know nothing about AMD processors and GPUs. Would that be a wise choice considering my GPU is a Geforce Nvidia? And if i'm going for AMD, i think I could spend more than 250$ on the processor no? I mean, how much costs a good motherboard? Around 150$ bucks? 

 

*Edit: After some research, i'm not sure what you're saying is completely right. Check out those CPU comparisons:

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-870-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

 

The i5-4690K seems way better than the other two...

 

 

Thanks! 


Edited by Onyx85, 19 February 2016 - 08:12 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2016 - 09:06 AM

 

 

Would this processor be nice? 
http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-i5-4690K-Processor-Cache-FC-LGA12C/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455842762&sr=1-1&keywords=cpu

Any idea which motherboard would fit nicely with this? Or would I be better off investing a little more on the MB and less on the CPU?

 

You have: 4 cores, 8 threads processor.

 

4690K is: 4 cores, 4 threads processor.

 

Upgrading from 8 thread quad core to 4 thread quad core makes no sense. Buy at least i7-5820K or overclock that 870.

 

Star Citizen most likely want 8 thread CPU so overclocking that 870 is in that way better option than 4690K. If your cad software can handle many cores, AMD FX-8350 is cheap choice and faster than 4690K when using many cores.

 

 

I thought about the i5 4690k because I bought my current i7 used on ebay and was under the impression it was a couple generations inferior to the 4690k. I didn't realize the number of threads was so important. I was more looking at the 2,93Ghz vs 3,9Ghz for the i5... The i7-5820K you are suggesting is over my 500$ budget and I don't even have a motherboard at that price. I found this AMD FX-8350 on newegg:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

 

Honestly I know nothing about AMD processors and GPUs. Would that be a wise choice considering my GPU is a Geforce Nvidia? And if i'm going for AMD, i think I could spend more than 250$ on the processor no? I mean, how much costs a good motherboard? Around 150$ bucks? 

 

*Edit: After some research, i'm not sure what you're saying is completely right. Check out those CPU comparisons:

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-870-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

 

The i5-4690K seems way better than the other two...

 

 

Thanks! 

 

 

In case you are using software that take advantage of more cores/threads, then thread count really matters. Most of that speed difference between i7-860 and i5-4690K comes from clock speed so overclocking that 860 is good choice. That 3.9 GHz clock speed is turbo clock. You will hardly notice difference between i7-860 and i5-4690K, difference is so small.

i7-5820K would offer enough upgrade for i7-860. AMD FX-8350 offer 8 threads and comparable performance to i7-4770K when using modern and threaded software. Nvidia GPU is not problem. Still, if you want upgrade that really shows enough speed gain, FX-8350 is IMO too little also.

 

I still recommend that you try to overclock that i7 and spare money for bigger upgrade.

What I',m saying is quite right. CPU Boss uses obsolete benchmarks that do not reflect on real life use. Breaking down those "results":

 

GeekBench 3 is not real life software.

GeekBench 3 (AES single core): doing AES encryption with single core makes no sense at all.

Cinebench R10 32-Bit: there is 64-bit version available, so why use 32-bit version? No valid reasons for that.

PassMark, outdated and obsolete software that reflect no real life use.
 

CPU Boss takes only few synthetic benchmark results (and many of those are very stupidly picked) so better to forget that site.

 

If you are still not convinced, check http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K

 

i7-5820K: score 6/10

i5-4690K: score 8.9/10

 

So if CPU Boss is right, Intel is charging double price (motherboard price included) for worse processor. It also means that Intel's high end platform (LGA2011-3) is much worse than Intel's low end platform (LGA1151) :lmao:



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 10:00 AM

Frankly...I'd like to know just what you expect by ditching the current system.   A new motherboard may have additonal features...but (IMO) a CPU upgrade seems highly questionable.

 

In any case, topic moved to System Building/Upgrading.

 

Louis


Edited by hamluis, 19 February 2016 - 04:44 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2016 - 10:13 AM

Frankly...I'd like to know just you expect by ditching the current system.   A new motherboard may have additonal features...but (IMO) a CPU upgrade seems highly questionable.

 

In any case, topic moved to System Building/Upgrading.

 

Louis

 

What I expect is to have better performances. I bought this motherboard about 6 years ago, I thought it was about time to change and one of the holes where we fix the heatsink is really loose, i'm having trouble installing the heatsink correctly and i'm pretty sure the CPU is overheating a little bit because of that. Also, as I said, I bought the i7 processor last year on ebay for about 120$. Are you telling me that with 500$ I can't really purchase anything that would make my PC faster? 



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 10:22 AM

 

 

 

Would this processor be nice? 
http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-i5-4690K-Processor-Cache-FC-LGA12C/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455842762&sr=1-1&keywords=cpu

Any idea which motherboard would fit nicely with this? Or would I be better off investing a little more on the MB and less on the CPU?

 

You have: 4 cores, 8 threads processor.

 

4690K is: 4 cores, 4 threads processor.

 

Upgrading from 8 thread quad core to 4 thread quad core makes no sense. Buy at least i7-5820K or overclock that 870.

 

Star Citizen most likely want 8 thread CPU so overclocking that 870 is in that way better option than 4690K. If your cad software can handle many cores, AMD FX-8350 is cheap choice and faster than 4690K when using many cores.

 

 

I thought about the i5 4690k because I bought my current i7 used on ebay and was under the impression it was a couple generations inferior to the 4690k. I didn't realize the number of threads was so important. I was more looking at the 2,93Ghz vs 3,9Ghz for the i5... The i7-5820K you are suggesting is over my 500$ budget and I don't even have a motherboard at that price. I found this AMD FX-8350 on newegg:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

 

Honestly I know nothing about AMD processors and GPUs. Would that be a wise choice considering my GPU is a Geforce Nvidia? And if i'm going for AMD, i think I could spend more than 250$ on the processor no? I mean, how much costs a good motherboard? Around 150$ bucks? 

 

*Edit: After some research, i'm not sure what you're saying is completely right. Check out those CPU comparisons:

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-870-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

 

The i5-4690K seems way better than the other two...

 

 

Thanks! 

 

 

In case you are using software that take advantage of more cores/threads, then thread count really matters. Most of that speed difference between i7-860 and i5-4690K comes from clock speed so overclocking that 860 is good choice. That 3.9 GHz clock speed is turbo clock. You will hardly notice difference between i7-860 and i5-4690K, difference is so small.

i7-5820K would offer enough upgrade for i7-860. AMD FX-8350 offer 8 threads and comparable performance to i7-4770K when using modern and threaded software. Nvidia GPU is not problem. Still, if you want upgrade that really shows enough speed gain, FX-8350 is IMO too little also.

 

I still recommend that you try to overclock that i7 and spare money for bigger upgrade.

What I',m saying is quite right. CPU Boss uses obsolete benchmarks that do not reflect on real life use. Breaking down those "results":

 

GeekBench 3 is not real life software.

GeekBench 3 (AES single core): doing AES encryption with single core makes no sense at all.

Cinebench R10 32-Bit: there is 64-bit version available, so why use 32-bit version? No valid reasons for that.

PassMark, outdated and obsolete software that reflect no real life use.
 

CPU Boss takes only few synthetic benchmark results (and many of those are very stupidly picked) so better to forget that site.

 

If you are still not convinced, check http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K

 

i7-5820K: score 6/10

i5-4690K: score 8.9/10

 

So if CPU Boss is right, Intel is charging double price (motherboard price included) for worse processor. It also means that Intel's high end platform (LGA2011-3) is much worse than Intel's low end platform (LGA1151) :lmao:

 

 

LOL ok I got it, I won't ever trust cpuboss's website again! 

 

If I go with your AMD FX-8350 suggestion, which motherboard should I buy with it? And could there be any incompatibilities with my graphic card? Also, the AMD proc. is only 259$CAD (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284). Shouldn't I spend a little more on it to have a better one? I tought I was gonna spend around 150$ bucks on the motherboard but maybe they cost more than that? 

 

Thanks again for you quick replies! 



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 10:45 AM

Right now there are no good choices. Going from quad+HT to quad core is step backwards. And 4 core+HT processor (6700K) are so expensive that i7-5820K makes much more sense. In case of quad core CPU (like 6600K) you will also need new memory. Worse option is to buy already old and very expensive LGA1150 stuff. FX-8350 has some drawbacks but for certain uses it has unbeatable price/performance ratio. Still that is not much upgrade from i7-860. AMD is readying Zen processors and AM4 socket, until they arrive, Intel keeps prices very high. This is not good time to buy CPU.

 

Your budget does not allow substantial upgrade and because motherboard is main problem, I suggest that you just replace your motherboard. Finding LGA1156 motherboards can be bit hard but that is very cheap fix and saves money for later. Perhaps things will be different at end of this year.



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 11:06 AM

Well ok I'll be patient and wait a little. Maybe when Star Citizen gets released it'll be a better time to upgrade! 



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 04:28 PM

MY recommendation for an AMD FX 8350 would be an Asus M5A99X Pro, or the Asus Sabertooth.






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