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#1 Karzahni

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Posted 15 January 2016 - 11:03 PM

(I'll put this here and not in the Win Server section because I'm more likely to go with Linux)

 

Here's my latest server conundrum. (I ditched my previous plans) I plan to run two servers, one virtual and one physical, for complicated reasons, mostly one of the two at a time.

 

The specs are as follows:

 

VMware Workstation 12 Player

Asus A8R32-MVP Deluxe

AMD FX-8350 Black Edition (4 cores) 4.0 GHz

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual core 4200+ 2.2 GHz

4 GB DDR3 RAM 2133 MHz

4x1 GB DDR RAM 333 MHz

Seagate Desktop 800 GB SATA HDD

Seagate Barracuda 500 GB SATA HDD

 

 

 

The first will be run most of the time and I plan to use it for a modded Minecraft 1.7.10 server, NAS for backups (Samba most likely) and possibly web hosting (maybe)

 

The second is mainly to be used when I'm out but need a server online, for cloud storage, possibly a duplicate of the web site from the first server, and potentially a vanilla Minecraft 1.8 server.

 

I planned on trying out Gentoo Linux despite being a bit of a Linux novice and if that didn't work out to use Ubuntu 14 LTS Server or CentOS 6. (Maybe a GUI with CentOS)

 

The second (physical) server may also need to be used for burning discs (as it has 4 SATA and 2 IDE, being the only PC in the house capable of running all our CD drives at once) so I planned on dual-booting it with XP.

 

But I could always use Windows for this if Linux would be too difficult (I'm glad to take a learning experience though) or probably be the better option if I decide to go with a GUI.

 

So basically I need to choose between having a GUI or not, and also a particular OS from the following:

 

No GUI:

Gentoo Linux

Ubuntu 14 LTS Server

CentOS 6

 

GUI:

CentOS 6

Windows Server 2003 (There is a "Longhorn build" that is exactly Server 2003 which I could always use)

Windows Server 2016 TP4

Windows NT 4.0 Server (Silly, but possible)

 

Would I be better off to go with a GUI? Do these plans sound good or are there any recommendations anyone can make?

 

Thank-you.


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 02:17 PM

You could look at http://www.calculate-linux.org/..based off Gentoo but is a lot easier to install and offer a lot more binary type builds to make instalation of some packages easier so to add LXDE or XFCE a lot easier..they have a specialised server distro.....which may come with Openbox...

 

http://www.nethserver.org/ is  based off cent os and has a lot of easy to use extras..

 

This is also quite a good thing from what ive been told ..its based on Slackware which is super stable http://sms.it-ccs.com/about.html...and has Fluxbox  so it has a menu and makes it easier to use than CLI


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 02:50 PM

CentOS, Debian or OpenBSD


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 03:35 PM

I would go the debian route, debian stable is rock solid

Also one can use the desktop version of ubuntu and use the server packages and vice versa.


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Posted 17 January 2016 - 01:53 AM

Wow, the OP is so messed up! They make zero sense right now (it didn't look like that in the editor)

 

Number one, I think I'll just try Gentoo. If I can't work it out then I'll use something else. Likely CentOS as I've used it before a little. I've also done a bit of research into server distros. I more or less want to know if I can manage to run those applications without a GUI with my limited experience. From there I should be able to select a distro.

 

I've thought about the whole thing and I now have a much less open-ended plan.

 

Hold on, I can't seem to edit the OP...

 

So I'll put the current plan here:

 

The specs are as follows:

 

Server #1:

VMware Workstation 12 Player

AMD FX-8350 Black Edition (4 cores) 4.0 GHz

4 GB DDR3 RAM 2133 MHz

Seagate Desktop 800 GB SATA HDD

To be run most of the time and I plan to use it for a modded Minecraft 1.7.10 server, NAS for backups (Samba most likely) and possibly web hosting (maybe)

 

Server #2:

Asus A8R32-MVP Deluxe

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual core 4200+ 2.2 GHz

4x1 GB DDR RAM 333 MHz

Seagate Barracuda 500 GB SATA HDD

Mainly to be used when I'm out but need a server online, for cloud storage, possibly a duplicate of the web site from the first server, and potentially a vanilla Minecraft 1.8 server.

 

I plan on trying out Gentoo Linux despite being a bit of a Linux novice and if that didn't work out to use another distro, most likely CentOS 6. May also need to be used for burning discs (as it is the only PC in the house capable of running all our CD drives at once) so I shall dual-boot it with XP Home.

 

The first step is choosing between having a GUI or not. I should be fine to choose distros. (I will definitely look into those distros you posted shadow-warrior)

 

(I noticed no-one liked Windows Server, the only reason I'd use it would be because of my experience with Windows)


Edited by Karzahni, 17 January 2016 - 02:05 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 04:54 AM

 

Server #2:

Asus A8R32-MVP Deluxe

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual core 4200+ 2.2 GHz

4x1 GB DDR RAM 333 MHz

Seagate Barracuda 500 GB SATA HDD

Mainly to be used when I'm out but need a server online, for cloud storage, possibly a duplicate of the web site from the first server, and potentially a vanilla Minecraft 1.8 server.

 

With that CPU & RAM combo, a very vanilla Minecraft 1.8 server. The lighter the server OS you go with, the better, I have a PC with a similar CPU with 6GB of DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, it's now sitting in a box that my main PC shipped in, in the sunroom/storage area. Even the most basic Linux Mint installs ran slow on the PC, though it passed all of Dell's testing, the 10 minute one, and another that was like 45-50 minutes. 

 

The DDR RAM will limit you to a Linux only solution, most any Windows server software will be too much for the hardware. 

 

Your other choice sounds better & should be able to do what you want with. 

 

 

Server #1:

VMware Workstation 12 Player

AMD FX-8350 Black Edition (4 cores) 4.0 GHz

4 GB DDR3 RAM 2133 MHz

Seagate Desktop 800 GB SATA HDD

To be run most of the time and I plan to use it for a modded Minecraft 1.7.10 server, NAS for backups (Samba most likely) and possibly web hosting (maybe)

 

That's my two cents.

 

Good Luck with your project! :thumbup2:

 

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 05:30 AM

 

 

With that CPU & RAM combo, a very vanilla Minecraft 1.8 server. The lighter the server OS you go with, the better, I have a PC with a similar CPU with 6GB of DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, it's now sitting in a box that my main PC shipped in, in the sunroom/storage area. Even the most basic Linux Mint installs ran slow on the PC, though it passed all of Dell's testing, the 10 minute one, and another that was like 45-50 minutes. 

 

The DDR RAM will limit you to a Linux only solution, most any Windows server software will be too much for the hardware. 

 

Your other choice sounds better & should be able to do what you want with. 

 

 

 

That's my two cents.

 

Good Luck with your project! :thumbup2:

 

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Okay, well I won't run Windows Server on either because I want to keep them the same.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:34 AM

As was mentioned... I wouldn't go with the standard Gentoo distro.... entirely too hard to install for a Linux novice. You'll end up just getting frustrated and not want to continue. Go with something else. I run an Ubuntu server and it works great. Also very simple to install. Doesn't come with a GUI by default, but easy enough to install the Ubuntu desktop package.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:44 PM

As was mentioned... I wouldn't go with the standard Gentoo distro.... entirely too hard to install for a Linux novice. You'll end up just getting frustrated and not want to continue. Go with something else. I run an Ubuntu server and it works great. Also very simple to install. Doesn't come with a GUI by default, but easy enough to install the Ubuntu desktop package.

 

Yeah I was just going to try Gentoo. Wasn't too confident in it working. I probably wouldn't use Ubuntu if I thought I might require a GUI because Unity drives me up the wall. Can you install CentOS without a GUI and then install it later? Because that's probably the OS i'm most used to. (The Windows-like layout also helps massively)

 

I will set up the virtual server first and when I get a setup I think works for me I'll set up the physical one.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 01:09 AM

Got yet another PC donated to me which will replace the Athlon machine as the physical server.

 

Dell Optiplex 780

Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 2.93 GHz

2x2 GB DDR3 RAM

(Probably will swap the HDDs it has for the Seagate 500 GB)

 

Can this support a 35 mod 1.7.10 server for Minecraft? Because then I will just use it and install CentOS 6.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 02:20 AM

Got yet another PC donated to me which will replace the Athlon machine as the physical server.

 

Dell Optiplex 780

Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 2.93 GHz

2x2 GB DDR3 RAM

(Probably will swap the HDDs it has for the Seagate 500 GB)

 

+1! :thumbup2:

 

I just got an Optiplex 780 last week, seems like these are selling like hotcakes for around $100 shipped, fortunately was able to get a Core 2 Quad 9650 (the Beast of the series), though the Core 2 Duo, of which I also have an HP dc5800 with that type (the E8400), will more than hold it's weight as a Linux server. Pretty much whichever you decide to run. When you have the funding, can easily drop in a Core 2 Quad if needed or desired. Which is what I'm planning on doing with the HP. 

 

If you're used to CentOS, which I was once learning before lured into Windows 8 as a forum moderator, you'll have no issues, as long as you know the install procedure. Being that I've never setup a server, don't know a lot about that software, other than these powers the computers in businesses of all types. Every notebook or small PC on the premises is controlled by a server. So does places where transactions are made. 

 

I'd like to setup one myself, yet wouldn't know what to do with it if I did. :P

 

There seems to be some issues with no 3rd party seller knowing 'what' 16GB RAM kit (4GB x4 modules) will fit, so grabbed four of the 2GB sticks like came in mine on eBay for $9 each, it shipped with only one stick & for the time being, have added a pair of 2GB PC3-12800 sticks (the ones that shipped with my XPS 8700). Yet the two 4GB sticks that are just like them otherwise, causes a loud beep at boot, won't post. No one can tell me why, only one site 'may' have came close, he said it needed double sided modules. Only thing about that is that the ones I installed are single sided, though the one that shipped with the PC is double sided. In that respect, I don't understand what the difference between the same brand & timings of sticks is that makes the smaller boot & the larger ones doesn't. The Optiplex 780 of all form factors will accommodate 16GB. 

 

Just trying to save you some trouble, should you decide to upgrade RAM. Out of all the computers I've had, this is the only one picky in regards to 3rd party RAM. Yet for your needs, 4GB may be plenty, a server OS is unlike that for a home user, so browsers won't be soaking up resources most of the time. 

 

Glad to hear that you found a nice PC to work with! :)

 

I've told others, seek & they'll find. Many has computers that's been sitting in the closet packed away for 3-5 years & some will be glad for one to haul them off. That's why I tell some that says they want a PC & can't find one, they're not looking hard enough. If I wanted, could double my collection in 2-3 weeks, at one time had so many that I donated close to a dozen to the local Hospice store, and a couple more last year, in addition to ones that I gave to those in need, nuke the drive with DBAN & install Linux Mint MATE on them. Yet I run across most of these because I assist others at no cost, in particular seniors, the disabled & those wanting to learn Linux, if they want to give me a gift (usually those with resources), I'll accept whatever. 

 

Good Luck with your project(s) & please keep us informed of progress, we'd like to hear how things turns out. :)

 

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:13 PM

Thank-you for the support. I've installed CentOS 6.7 x64 as a basic server. I'm trying to get Minecraft 1.7.10 server running. It's difficult for me to use it without the GUI. Can I install a part-time GUI? As in, it doesn't run on startup, but can be run if issue a command? (I believe Ubuntu is capable of this, so I guess you can do it with CentOS)

 

I think the PSU is almost spent. I made a separate thread for that http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/602783/suggestions-replacing-a-power-supply/


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:29 AM

 

 

Can I install a part-time GUI?

 

As long as you know how to, I don't see why not. Being that I've ran CentOS some, yet never got to fully learn it (may try again rather than Mint Cinnamon), am not familiar enough with the OS to say what one can & can't do with it, only that it's a testing OS for Red Hat. Has some great software that doesn't make the final cut for Red Hat OS's, so some who runs CentOS says it's better than Red Hat. 

 

Hopefully another member can add some discussion in this Topic to address your specific question. :)

 

I'd like to hear the final outcome of the project, as it sounds like a great one, now that you have a PC that has more backbone than the Optiplex 740, which I really as an owner of one myself, cannot recommend what to do with. Though you can probably run a lightweight Linux distro that's Xfce based on it for general Web usage, and there's lots of 64 bit Xfce releases, including Linux Mint. Don't know if CentOS has such a release, yet many Ubuntu based OS's has an Xfce release of their distro. 

 

As far as a Windows OS goes, when it was still supported, likely made a decent XP PC, yet I cannot & won't make such a recommendation today. Any Linux version that's supported would be preferable, that is, if you decide to further use the PC. :)

 

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 05:45 AM

CentOS 6 is running and I got the Minecraft server on, but now I can't mod it with forge because it requires a GUI. But your idea of a dual-boot sounded good (if that's what you were suggesting) it had Windows 7 on it (the Optiplex) but I think I'll put Mint Cinnamon on it for GUI required things. (So it matches my desktop)

 

So I just tried to shrink the partition and there's a 500 MB ext4 partition 66 MB used and the remaining is a 931 GB "lvm2 pv" partition that's FULL! And there's a picture of a phone next to it. I don't know what's going on here. Can someone enlighten me?

 

(By the way it's 2 500GB HDDs on RAID0)

 

Linux is a strange, strange operating system.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:10 AM

You should be able to install the Xorg packages on the CentOS system.  startx is the command you'd run from the command line to kick it off.  Just make sure that installing X doesn't bump the initlevel up (probably at 3 now which is typically defined as "multiuser with networking".  A lot of distros put it at 5 which is "3 plus boot into a graphical environment".  On my machines I like to leave it at 3 and manually start X.  That way if the X config gets mucked up, it's easier to recover.


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