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[Build Help] Upgrading old CPU and motherboard


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#1 JulianG

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Posted 11 December 2015 - 07:00 AM

Hey guys so I'm looking to upgrade my PC's CPU and motherboard as the CPU is bottlenecking my fps on the game Dota 2. (the only game I play)

I have a 144hz acer monitor and a modern graphics card I bought recently to take advantage of the new Freesync thingymabop but still only hitting 40(during teamfights) to 80-90(idle) fps in-game.

My current specs are-

650w Corsair PSU

AMD Radeon R9 380 graphics card

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor 3.20GHz

8gb ram and running 64bit Win10

And the monitor is the Acer XG270HU 27inch WQHD TN Free-Sync 144Hz Gaming Monitor

I'm not looking to spend too much money, just something that will get me to at least a stable-ish 120 fps in Dota 2. I should also mention I've been told Dota 2 is very CPU intensive and I think this is proven when I tried lowering the graphics in-game and received no change in fps.

I'd love some suggestions from you guys and Christmas is coming up so this will be my present to myself!:D

I'm from Australia by the way in case any Aussies in this sub has seen any specials/deals lately.. ;)

Lastly, I'd say my budget is around $500AU. Will that even be enough? :(

 



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 02:59 AM

Hi:

 

First, does you case supports ATX motherboard? What is the mobo you are using: ATX, MicroATX, Mini ATX or other?

 

For the CPU, a i5-6400 is good, it can handle high-end GPU very well.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 03:21 AM

Hi:

 

First, does you case supports ATX motherboard? What is the mobo you are using: ATX, MicroATX, Mini ATX or other?

 

For the CPU, a i5-6400 is good, it can handle high-end GPU very well.

I had a google to find my case and I found it. http://f123930409.fm.alibaba.com/product/217021241-0/PC_Case_Raptor.html
Does it support ATX motherboard? I honestly have no idea..



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 03:39 AM

Yes it supports ATX mobo and also Micro ATX.

 

For the CPU I would recommend Skylake i5-6400, it is quite good in gaming and won't bottleneck your GPU. Games don't make use of hyperthreading so i7 not required.

 

Skylake processor only compatible with LGA 1151 mobo, not compatible with other. So the ASUS H170 Pro Gaming would be the good choice. If you want to go for the Micro ATX mobo, you can buy ASUS H170M-Plus.

 

You will also need to change the RAM to DDR4, 8GB is enough. Corsair Value Select RAM is very good, I have use it and no problem with it so far. If you want a better RAM, buy the Corsair Vengeance RAM, but you are not going to see much difference between two. You can buy dual channel RAM (2x4GB) to double memory bandwidth, this does not mean PC performance will be twice faster.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 06:16 AM

Yes it supports ATX mobo and also Micro ATX.

 

For the CPU I would recommend Skylake i5-6400, it is quite good in gaming and won't bottleneck your GPU. Games don't make use of hyperthreading so i7 not required.

 

Skylake processor only compatible with LGA 1151 mobo, not compatible with other. So the ASUS H170 Pro Gaming would be the good choice. If you want to go for the Micro ATX mobo, you can buy ASUS H170M-Plus.

 

You will also need to change the RAM to DDR4, 8GB is enough. Corsair Value Select RAM is very good, I have use it and no problem with it so far. If you want a better RAM, buy the Corsair Vengeance RAM, but you are not going to see much difference between two. You can buy dual channel RAM (2x4GB) to double memory bandwidth, this does not mean PC performance will be twice faster.

I noticed the CPU recommended is a lot cheaper than what others have recommended. Will this cheaper CPU be enough do you think?



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 07:44 AM

i5 is currently the best CPU for gaming, since games don't make sure of the Hyperthreading technology, i7 is not necessary. You will still get better performance with i7 because of high clock speed and more cache, but it is not noticeable, maybe 3-4 more FPS if you are lucky.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 08:06 AM

i5 is currently the best CPU for gaming, since games don't make sure of the Hyperthreading technology, i7 is not necessary. You will still get better performance with i7 because of high clock speed and more cache, but it is not noticeable, maybe 3-4 more FPS if you are lucky.

Other CPU's I've had suggested are Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor and AMD 8320E. What's your opinion on these?



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 08:44 AM

AMD 8320E is low power processor. It use less power, generate less heat, and thus less clock speed. You can get the original FX 8320 processor. If you have AM3 motherboard, you will need a new motherboard to use FX 8320.

 

i5-4690K is for those who want to overclock. If you don't want to overclock your CPU, this is not needed. If you want, I recommend i5-6600K instead of 4690K, and you need to change your mobo to Z170, not H170.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 08:54 AM

AMD 8320E is low power processor. It use less power, generate less heat, and thus less clock speed. You can get the original FX 8320 processor. If you have AM3 motherboard, you will need a new motherboard to use FX 8320.

 

i5-4690K is for those who want to overclock. If you don't want to overclock your CPU, this is not needed. If you want, I recommend i5-6600K instead of 4690K, and you need to change your mobo to Z170, not H170.

With the i5-6400, Asus H170 and Corsair Vengeance ram do you think I can reach 120+ fps in dota 2 with my current graphics card? If so I will purchase these now aha



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 09:03 AM

I don't know how much FPS you can get, but the game should be able to run smoothly, even at ultra settings, since R9 380 is a capable card. You can save some money buying the Corsair Value Select because you are not likely to see any differences.

 

If you want you can buy R9 390, it has about the same performance as GTX 970.


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 11:26 AM

G'day mate, based from the information and what has been suggested already, you can buy the listed components from PC Case Gear which is a major online computer retailer as Newegg can ship to Australia but only certain components and tends to be more expensive after currency conversion. Below is a list of components: 

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 - $275

Motherboard: Asus B150M-A D3 - $129

Ram: Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB DDR4 2133 - $99

Total: $503 excluding shipping and surcharges. 


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 07:30 PM

G'day mate, based from the information and what has been suggested already, you can buy the listed components from PC Case Gear which is a major online computer retailer as Newegg can ship to Australia but only certain components and tends to be more expensive after currency conversion. Below is a list of components: 

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 - $275

Motherboard: Asus B150M-A D3 - $129

Ram: Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB DDR4 2133 - $99

Total: $503 excluding shipping and surcharges. 

I'm going to purchase the i5-6400 for sure but for the motherboard should I go the Asus H170 or the Asus B150M that you mentioned?



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Posted 13 December 2015 - 08:02 PM

The reason behind why i chose the B150M was to keep within the budget range, although you can certainly go for the H170 which will cost more, but realistically will provide no performance difference between the two motherboards. 


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 08:18 PM

The reason behind why i chose the B150M was to keep within the budget range, although you can certainly go for the H170 which will cost more, but realistically will provide no performance difference between the two motherboards. 

Ahk guess I'll get the B150M. Thanks!!

Anything else I should think or be aware of before purchasing these?



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Posted 13 December 2015 - 10:01 PM

Also, I have a cooler master 212X that I bought a few months ago that is on my current, old cpu. When I put the new hardware in/replace motherboard etc. Would you suggest using this 212X cooler on the i5 6400 cpu as well?






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