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#1 OldPhil

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:51 AM

Being and old guy I like most old people spend a lot of time in Dr's waiting rooms, what I am hearing more and more is the problems with 10 and folks paying to have their machines brought back to 7/8 but mostly 7.  When I chime in with there is no way to avoid it coming back to haunt them they get down right pizzy.  Now mind you all that I have spoken with have gone and paid a shop to fix their machines, MS is in for some nasty responses from these people.  Most all of these people are on fixed incomes and now will find out they have no protection from the vicious MS onslaught, yes I am calling vicious because that is what feel and am very sure they will come to feel.  Now look in "W 10 support" these old folks are just a smattering compared to the mass of MS users that are being affected.  Once all get wise to the fact that they are paying for a fix for something they cannot avoid fixing again then the letters/lawyers will come into play.  The class action suit mentioned in another post hopefully will come to fruition.  For us that can keep cloning back no big deal, call me a foll but the poor soles may just make enough noise to make things right!


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Posted 09 December 2015 - 06:41 PM

I would compare it to Cadillacs

 

For many years Cadillac depended on the older WW-2 generation to sell there cars to.

 

Most of them are gone now and Cadillac had to re brand itself to sell to younger drivers

 

They dont care about Grandma and Grandpa anymore, they care about the younger generation

 

Same with Microsoft



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:42 PM

LOL...I always relied on a size 6-1/2 shoe! Then I had a baby ! Joy to the world!

Then...my feet changed to a size 7. What were my options? Could not throw out the baby; not his fault!

Wish I had never had a baby, oh so sad, NOT! Could not blame it on the shoe maker?

 

Ultimately, I had to adapt. Life is what it is; to find the flexibility without a tantrum, anger, resentment. I find that change can be a wonderful;

opportunity to embrace thie change and to investigate what a new shoe size can feel like! Tweeking here and there; patience and persistance indeed pays off,

 

Windows 7, 8, 8.1 were obsolete the mintute any of us downloaded an OEM or purchased a retail computer tower/laptop..

My health records are now on a micro-fish; stored and continues to be updated per new health care protocol. Do I have the power to

demand that this process change?  Nope. Go with the flow of the current trends in life. Fight it and all you get is a head ache or worse!

 

I find that members here in BC, have the opportunity to seek help with their Windows OS 10 system. The "birth" throws users into a "new <shoe> size!"

Patience; acceptance; no knee jerk. Seek the positive and appreciate the frustration.

 

Another example: you have received your "new" credit/bank card with the chip. Try to infinity to demand your entire personal profile, and banking history to be removed and demand to have your RFID chip removed.  It's not going to happen. Alternative, return to cash in tin foil in the freezer.

 

Windows 10...Well...enough said...hug your computer and embrace your new "shoe size."

 

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Posted 10 December 2015 - 12:13 AM

Sorry, Old Phil, but it's not going to happen.  I wish it were.  I've lost four whopping years to this investigation, hoping MSFT would wake up and smell the coffee, but it's only gotten worse.  Win10 is sooo much worse than 7 and 7 was sooo much worse than XP.

 

They can't afford to admit all that.  So they bully and say it's the future when it's really a failure.  And you're just supposed to chirp praise, call it progress, call the past inferior, call the new ipse good, etc.

 

The only help is to turn OFF Windows update and learn to surf in Linux or use a Chromebook.  The oldsters here where I live (and am one of them) are having the same problem.  The complaining is endless, and I figure maybe 800 people live in this complex, all over age 55.


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Posted 10 December 2015 - 05:37 AM

Agree very much with posts 1 & 4.

 

Except to say it's not just 'old folk' who hate W7. I have 4 kids between 15 and 25 and they have a very wide circle of friends, most of them educated up coming types -  and my house is a virtual transit lounge.

 

The conversation often turns to W10, and I'm amazed how many of the more astute, profressional of the lot, also hate W10. The airheads like it though, it seems, as do those whose face is permanently planted in their smartphones.


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Posted 10 December 2015 - 01:10 PM

Don't let M$ fool you!

If you (like I did) don't like the W10 EULA, Tracking and Ads... There's a way out of this mess!

 

From freedom came elegance!

 

My solution is Peppermint OS 6 (Ubuntu-based). The choice is yours!

 

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Posted 10 December 2015 - 01:16 PM

Don't let M$ fool you!

If you (like I did) don't like the W10 EULA, Tracking and Ads... There's a way out of this mess!

 

From freedom came elegance!

 

My solution is Peppermint OS 6 (Ubuntu-based). The choice is yours!

 

Greets!

 

Microsoft isn't trying to fool anyone.  Their EULA, Services Agreement, and Privacy Statement are quite clear about what data is collected, the circumstances of its collection, and who it can be shared with.  You can also turn off virtually all of the data collection of personal data by tweaking your Cortana & Search, Speech, Inking & Typing, and other Privacy settings to make the system behave as you'd prefer.

 

That being said, if any individual does not find the contents of those agreements and statements to their liking, one of the many Linux distros out there are definitely an option.   But, like any OS switch, there will be a learning curve.

 

No one is forced to use any of the versions of Windows just like no one is forced to use any of the many varieties of Linux.  There are choices, make an informed one that comes as close to your personal satisfaction as you can find.

 

And for anyone who thinks that basic Windows system health telemetry (which predates Windows 10 by years) is unique to Windows, I suggest you do a web search on, "linux telemetry," or, "linux [insert your distro name here] telemetry."


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Posted 10 December 2015 - 07:10 PM

 

Don't let M$ fool you!

If you (like I did) don't like the W10 EULA, Tracking and Ads... There's a way out of this mess!

 

From freedom came elegance!

 

My solution is Peppermint OS 6 (Ubuntu-based). The choice is yours!

 

Greets!

 

Microsoft isn't trying to fool anyone.  Their EULA, Services Agreement, and Privacy Statement are quite clear about what data is collected, the circumstances of its collection, and who it can be shared with.  You can also turn off virtually all of the data collection of personal data by tweaking your Cortana & Search, Speech, Inking & Typing, and other Privacy settings to make the system behave as you'd prefer.

 

That being said, if any individual does not find the contents of those agreements and statements to their liking, one of the many Linux distros out there are definitely an option.   But, like any OS switch, there will be a learning curve.

 

No one is forced to use any of the versions of Windows just like no one is forced to use any of the many varieties of Linux.  There are choices, make an informed one that comes as close to your personal satisfaction as you can find.

 

And for anyone who thinks that basic Windows system health telemetry (which predates Windows 10 by years) is unique to Windows, I suggest you do a web search on, "linux telemetry," or, "linux [insert your distro name here] telemetry."

 

But as you said in the other thread ..

 

My experience is that it is completely unrealistic to expect most casual end users to do anything that doesn't seem pressing to them on a routine basis.

 

Most people consider their computer to be an appliance not unlike their refrigerator, television, or radio.  All they are generally able to do, and expect to do, is to turn it on and use it.


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 03:43 PM

I don't know why so many people hate WINDOWS 10. Face it as far as Microsoft has said Windows 10 is it for the future of windows. In my knowledge and experiences with just about every version of windows. There is nothing wrong with Windows 10. A lot of people felt the same way with VISTA. I however had no bad issues with it either. Windows 10 is actually getting better. there was just a recent update to build 10586.36. If people just take the time and effort to know what they want 10 is a great OS. No one is forced to make a decision on what OS to use but to each there own.


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 08:09 PM

There is nothing wrong with Windows 10. A lot of people felt the same way with VISTA.


I wonder why the market share of Windows Vista never really picked up then :P I remember my best friend upgrading to Windows Vista when it first came out, and having to reinstall it every month because of X bug that would make the system unusable. I was still with my Windows XP back then, and it never failed me like that.

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 08:37 PM

There is nothing wrong with Windows 10. A lot of people felt the same way with VISTA.


I wonder why the market share of Windows Vista never really picked up then :P I remember my best friend upgrading to Windows Vista when it first came out, and having to reinstall it every month because of X bug that would make the system unusable. I was still with my Windows XP back then, and it never failed me like that.


Strange thing is there are parallels between the launch behaviors of Windows 10 and Windows Vista. There have been plenty of bugs that have made certain systems with Win 10 quite unstable.

That being said, I have a Dell laptop that ran Vista without a burp for years and years until I retired Vista to enroll the machine in the Windows Insider Preview program for Windows 10. That turned out to be a mistake because it has never behaved well with Windows 10 and got worse with the released versions than it had been on some of the previews. That particular machine will be my initial foray into Linux since I already have two machines with Win7, one with Win8.1, and this one with Win10 (which works just fine, thanks, and [knock wood] has since day one of its upgrade).

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Posted 18 December 2015 - 05:41 PM

 

Don't let M$ fool you!

If you (like I did) don't like the W10 EULA, Tracking and Ads... There's a way out of this mess!

 

From freedom came elegance!

 

My solution is Peppermint OS 6 (Ubuntu-based). The choice is yours!

 

Greets!

 

Microsoft isn't trying to fool anyone.  Their EULA, Services Agreement, and Privacy Statement are quite clear about what data is collected, the circumstances of its collection, and who it can be shared with.  You can also turn off virtually all of the data collection of personal data by tweaking your Cortana & Search, Speech, Inking & Typing, and other Privacy settings to make the system behave as you'd prefer.

 

That being said, if any individual does not find the contents of those agreements and statements to their liking, one of the many Linux distros out there are definitely an option.   But, like any OS switch, there will be a learning curve.

 

No one is forced to use any of the versions of Windows just like no one is forced to use any of the many varieties of Linux.  There are choices, make an informed one that comes as close to your personal satisfaction as you can find.

 

And for anyone who thinks that basic Windows system health telemetry (which predates Windows 10 by years) is unique to Windows, I suggest you do a web search on, "linux telemetry," or, "linux [insert your distro name here] telemetry."

 

Speaking of all things Linux this little tidbit arrived in one of my daily tech emails, this one from Paul Thurrott

 

(I've pasted the relevant text and link below)

 

 

Security researchers discover just how easy it is to break into a Linux-based PC

 

Years ago I was amused to watch a Linux expert break into a Linux PC that was locked with a password-protected admin-level account. And it seems like not much has changed all these years later: Security researchers from the Cybersecurity Group at the Polytechnic University of Valencia (UPV) in Spain have discovered that it’s possible to bypass any kind of authentication and take control of a locked-down computer that runs Linux just by hitting the backspace 28 times. This laughable fact—which I’ll now refer to as “28-bit encryption”—would be damning for Linux if it weren’t for one other fact. No one uses Linux on the PC desktop, where physical access is more readily available, so this doesn’t matter in the slightest. I’ll also point out that that myth about “a million eyeballs” hasn’t exactly been paying off either, has it?

 

Say what you will about Windows but it's definitely not vulnerable to the crafty "unknowing depression of the spacebar" attack.

 


Edited by ChuckPasadena, 18 December 2015 - 05:54 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2015 - 01:15 AM

I don't know why so many people hate WINDOWS 10. Face it as far as Microsoft has said Windows 10 is it for the future of windows. In my knowledge and experiences with just about every version of windows. There is nothing wrong with Windows 10. A lot of people felt the same way with VISTA. I however had no bad issues with it either. Windows 10 is actually getting better. there was just a recent update to build 10586.36. If people just take the time and effort to know what they want 10 is a great OS. No one is forced to make a decision on what OS to use but to each there own.

The only thing I hated about 10 was all the Windows is spying on you links people posted on almost a daily basis, not to mention all the You Tube videos.

 

I got 10 the first day it was released and have only had one crash, and I think it wasnt due to Windows. Other than that 10 has been running flawlessly for me.

 

I dont use Cortana and some of the stuff Widows added, But I really have no need for it

 

I cant honestly say there is anything I dont like about 10 and it operation



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Posted 19 December 2015 - 05:33 AM

ChuckPasadena:

This topic gives you much needed real information...  :rolleyes:

 

I think it's a perfect example that the "a million eyeballs" did work!

 

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Posted 19 December 2015 - 06:26 AM

Oh I had no doubt it had been patched long before I posted the link, I just thought it was pretty funny that it needed to be be patched at all.

 

I mean for all the grief that those of us that defend Win10 get it was a rare opportunity for a bit of lighthearted virtual nose tweaking because it's extremely rare for anyone to "out Microsoft" Microsoft, lol.

 

Admit it, if it had been Microsoft that had done it you'd have laughed yourself. :wink:






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