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Replacing Boot Hard Drive With SSD, Win 8


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#1 donisonleague

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 06:10 PM

I'm not sure if this, or the upgrading one, is the right section, but since it is not exactly an upgrading problem i'm going to post this here.

I'm willing to buy a new SSD (120 GB probably) since i am a bit tired of the "long" time the pc takes to completely boot, but i have a few questions and i hope i will be able to get a reply here.

I'm currently under Windows 8.1 with an OEM version, so i have no original disk. As far as i know, there is no way to transfer the OS from the HDD to the SSD without a new installation of the whole system (but i may be wrong, since i didn't exactly understand the thing about Disk cloning), how will i be able to re-install the OS? Will be enough to download the ISO of W8.1 (or W8 since i originally had W8) since the license should be binded to the motherboard? Or will i have to get a new license?

But, overall, is there some method to simply avoid the new installation of the OS and just transfer the files from the current HDD?



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Posted 29 November 2015 - 07:53 PM

References

 

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-windows_install/moving-windows-8-to-an-ssd/b0ecb643-34c6-4355-84fb-3dd50f987f1e

 

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 09:09 PM

I am assuming that you want to transfer your existing HDD partition (OS and data) to the SSD, not just the OS without your applications and data.

Another option: use Macrium Reflect free to image your existing HDD onto a 2nd HDD. Remove your old HDD and install your SSD. Now restore from the 2nd HDD onto your SSD. Done.

NOTE: make sure that you have enough space on your SSD to restore to. 120 GB is not very large nowadays.

If your intent is to load only the boot files and OS to the SSD and have your operating programs and data on your existing HDD, this will not work.


Help Requests: If there is no reply after 3 days I remove the thread from my answer list. For further help PM me.


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Posted 30 November 2015 - 12:34 PM

Thank you for your help, i've kinda understood both the ways. Now, before asking something more, i've two news:

1) Unluckly i've discovered my current case doesn't have enough HD bays to fit two hard drive at the same time (I wanted to have a main SSD and a secondary HDD with all the stuff except for applications and OS) so my project is half of a failure

2) Luckly today is cyber monday and i've found a 256 GB SSD really cheap and a good brand.

At this point, my problem is: i have around 240 GB occupied on my actual 1TB HDD, probably i should be able to free something like 40-50 GB if i put all the unnecessary things in the external hard drive. Would be worth to switch from a 1 TB HDD to 256 GB SSD as ONLY internal hard drive in the pc? However, in about an year, maybe 18 months, i'm planning to substitute also the case, the PSU and other stuff and i will make sure to buy a case that has at least 2 bays.

 

Except for this question, i have another 2 things to ask:

1) @hamluis basically if i got it right, i have to create a recovery unit with a 16(or 32 GB) USB. Then i will transfer all my datas (documents and other files) in an external drive. Finally i will substitute the internal hard drive with the new one, then i will boot from the USB and clean install windows from the recovery unit. This works also with OEM versions of windows since OEM keys are binded to the motherboard. This way i will have a clean installation of windows, all my files on the external hard drive, but will have to reinstall applications obviously. Is all of this right?

 

2) @ranchhand_ while i am kinda comfortable with the recovery unit procedure (i think i understood it) i am not sure of understanding how will i be able to restore my old HDD into my new SSD. I mean:

Firstly i'm imaging my current HDD to an external HDD. So now, i will basically have a backup of my current HDD. At this point i should install the SSD, which has no OS in it. At this point i have a PC that will boot correctly but with no OS in it, what do i have to do to backup from the external HDD? Can i boot from it? Sorry if the questions sound stupid or newbie, i always do backups but never had (luckly) the occasion to restore from one of those with a compromised (or totally absent) OS.



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 01:34 PM

If you duplicate the partitions you will have mirror copy of the hard drive partition on the SSD as well. (they need to be the same size and you need to leave min 15-20% free.)

This mean you will have all of the files for booting the old Windows OS.

The problem is sectors will not be properly aligned for SSD, so as Louis said,backing up your data and clean installation of Windows 8 is your best option.

 

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If you can confirm this tool will align the SSD sectors,  I can agree cloning with this software will work :) 
 



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 01:51 PM

@Bulgaristan thank you for your reply. 

So, since currently i've only a microsd of 32GB with an adapter, but it is not being readed by the pc, i've ordered a 64gb pen drive.

Can you also confirm me that there is no difference between having OEM or Retail Windows for the path n°1? (Louis's one)

 

EDIT:

Also, would be in your opinion worth to take the 256 GB SSD as the main and only drive or would it be better to keep the 1TB HDD as the main and only drive till i change the case with one that can support a dual internal hard drive?


Edited by donisonleague, 30 November 2015 - 01:53 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:04 PM

To be honest the best choice for such pen drive is 8gb, the 64gb can cause some bizarre moments :) 

Bear in mind this pen drive will contain only the installation files, you will need to copy your personal files or use the old hard drive as external by purchasing free external drive box.

Here is the official Microsoft procedure.

If you have a blank DVD and Windows 8 product key (please do not post the key), I can provide you with Windows 8 ISO file and procedure how to burn it on DVD.

Yes I can confirm the recovery media created with the current Windows will accept your license key.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:10 PM

Unluckly 8gb weren't enough for the recovery unit, since i'm asked for at least 16 GB and i know that very often, a 16GB pen drive isn't exactly 16GB. So i directly went with a usb 3.0 64 GB that i found at the same price (70% discount, happy cybermonday to all) of usual 32 GB 2.0 pen drive.

 

I should have Win 8 ISO already burned, however i have a lot of blank dvds. With the Win disk the recovery unit isn't necessary?

For the OEM key the thing is a bit harder than i thought, i've already looked for it twice in the past and i've tried two different methods of getting it, one from the registry, the other from third-party software. The point is that the two methods gave me two differents keys, both in the same format: AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE so i don't really know which is the right one.



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:18 PM

Can you please give me the computer model?



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:26 PM

p62326el, not all the components are original ones (RAM, Video card and fans are different)

Here is the official HP link: http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=c03560221

The current HDD is the original one (1TB 7200 rpm). I could agree with removing the optical drive is that would leave enough space for another hd, but sometimes it is useful.

 

EDIT: the new case will be this (99,99%, also if i don't really like the fact that it is open on the upper side = >>>> dust): https://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltake-case-ca1b300m1nn00 

EDIT 2: at the moment i have only 190 GB occupied on my current HDD + 10 gb for the recovery partition. So the SSD SHOULD be enough.


Edited by donisonleague, 30 November 2015 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:58 PM

The SSD drive can fit in the floppy slots, if you have such.

I`ll need you to confirm if the chassis of the computer is the same Link 

 

The recovery partition (this is not the partition you can see in "My Computer") itself shall be 6 GB maximum depending on the vendor software included.

 

I don`t think you need larger pen drive than 32GB.

However if you can find sticker like this Link

I`ll be able to provide you with ISO file, as you can download or purchase the recovery DVD from HP.



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 03:57 PM

Unluckly i have no sticker anywhere indicating the win product key, however, at least one of those two i've got should be correct.

I bought a 64 GB just because i found it at a lesser price than the 32GB due to an offer (it's a half-way good brand anyway) and since i need more than 16 (or at least windows asks me to insert a pen drive which has at least 16GB to complete the recovery unit operation).

 

What about this? http://www.partitionwizard.com/help/migrate-os-to-ssd-hd.html

I have already got this tool for some stuff in the past and it served me well (eg. recovering files from corrupted hard disk and increasing system partition when easeus wasn't able to), could it the "migration" be a thing?

 

I'm checking if i have the same structure of the one in that image, but i have no floppy slots. I will confirm in about 15 minutes, just the time to shutdown, open and reload.



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 04:12 PM

If you do not have the sticker probably  the key it is integrated in the bios.

Unfortunately I`m not the best person who can answer about the MiniTool Partition Wizard.

But again in the link you provided, I`m seeing the same hard drive sizes.

If someone can confirm this method will work with different sizes would be great.



 



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 04:18 PM

Yes that's exactly my chassis. I've made some photos to make the following steps easier: 

https://goo.gl/photos/8HyHS7nVsAQKvmF57

https://goo.gl/photos/aasSQ1z9WKDWwegW9

I honestly have no idea about how setting a 2.5 ssd in that room



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 04:55 PM

You have the same chassis, please check the procedures from the HP specialists :)

They have few solutions available, I personally think this is the best  link.

Anyway the best is to open topic for the hardware in the hardware forum section.

I believe there will be more adequate answers than mine :) 
 






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