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Building a new gaming desktop (Any possible problems/suggestions?)


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#1 Clueless Kid

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 03:48 PM

Hey i am new to building a PC, and i need to upgrade to a newer one for gaming reasons. I am hoping to be able to play games on ultra settings or high; games including Ark survival, Fallout 4, etc
 
Is there possible problems with these items, or are there better options?  My price range is about $1100.
 
 
My current item list:

 
 
 
Case
Corsair Carbide Series Black 300R Mid-Tower
$65.54
 
Processor
Intel Core i7-4790k Quad-Core
$331
 
Motherboard
MSI ATX DDR3 2400 LGA 1150
$85
 
Video Card
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 G1 4gb
$358
 
RAM
Crucial 8GB single
$40
Power Supply
 
EVGA SuperNOVA 750W B1 80+ BRONZE
$68
 
Hard Drive
Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache
$48
 
CD Drive
Samsung SATA 1.5 Gb-s
$19
 
Operating System
Not sure if i should get Windows 10 or not
 

                              

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 05:36 PM

Don't get a single memory module get dual 4's or 8's. That motherboard likely requires both color coded memory banks to be populated. Having dual memory increases the performance of the system anyways. That case is overkill. It has two top fan slots and two in the sides and comes with a one front and one rear 120mm fans. You may want to buy a pack of four 120mm fans otherwise you will have gaping holes in the side and top of your case. Or get a case with no side or top like that. A far as the OS goes it depends on the price if you can get Windows 10 pro cheap then go that route. Or get Win7 pro or Win8 pro.



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Posted 17 November 2015 - 06:59 PM

Don't get a single memory module get dual 4's or 8's. That motherboard likely requires both color coded memory banks to be populated. Having dual memory increases the performance of the system anyways. That case is overkill. It has two top fan slots and two in the sides and comes with a one front and one rear 120mm fans. You may want to buy a pack of four 120mm fans otherwise you will have gaping holes in the side and top of your case. Or get a case with no side or top like that. A far as the OS goes it depends on the price if you can get Windows 10 pro cheap then go that route. Or get Win7 pro or Win8 pro.

Would these be better http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-8500-204-Pin-CT2K4G3S1067M-CT2C4G3S1067M/dp/B008LTBJFM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1447804613&sr=8-4&keywords=RAM+8gb+kit ?



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Posted 18 November 2015 - 06:31 AM

 

Don't get a single memory module get dual 4's or 8's. That motherboard likely requires both color coded memory banks to be populated. Having dual memory increases the performance of the system anyways. That case is overkill. It has two top fan slots and two in the sides and comes with a one front and one rear 120mm fans. You may want to buy a pack of four 120mm fans otherwise you will have gaping holes in the side and top of your case. Or get a case with no side or top like that. A far as the OS goes it depends on the price if you can get Windows 10 pro cheap then go that route. Or get Win7 pro or Win8 pro.

Would these be better http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-8500-204-Pin-CT2K4G3S1067M-CT2C4G3S1067M/dp/B008LTBJFM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1447804613&sr=8-4&keywords=RAM+8gb+kit ?

 

 

That is not the right memory modules. Those are sodimm for mac laptops.

 

Can you provide links to the hardware you selected? Just want to make sure what you're buying is the right hardware.

 

The cpu you selected only supports DDR3 240pin 1333/1666mhz 1.5v...

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-240-Pin-Desktop-Memory-F3-1600C9D-8GAB/dp/B007AJY0ZA/ref=sr_1_16?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447844480&sr=1-16&keywords=sdram&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2253866011


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Posted 19 November 2015 - 08:57 AM

I have one suggestion for this build.  Change your processor to an i5, save a hundred bucks, and get and SSD.  Having an i7 will only marginally improve your gaming performance over and i5.



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 09:35 AM

I have one suggestion for this build.  Change your processor to an i5, save a hundred bucks, and get and SSD.  Having an i7 will only marginally improve your gaming performance over and i5.

I would have to disagree. A $100 dollars is well worth the overall 10% increase in performance across the board over any i5. Not only that, more cache memory and 4 real cores and 8 threads you get on the i7 VS 2 core 4 threads or 4 real cores and no hyperthreading i5's. So gaming will be faster and so will threading. Performance costs money and going intel costs more money. Already spending 300 on just the motherboard and video card. If money is not and issue I wouldn't suggest going LGA1150 at all. It's a dying breed. I would be looking as LGA2011 DDR4 Quad channel builds that's where the real performance is.


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Posted 19 November 2015 - 10:58 AM

I priced out a build with all the components, but you probably won't be able to do this under $1100.  Here's a build idea...

 

Motherboard:  GIGABYTE GA-Z170XP-SLI (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel Z170 - If you are going Skylake, you should be getting a Z170 board.  The Skylake CPU's are not compatible with sockets other than LGA 1151.  $129

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz - This is more than sufficient for gaming, an i7 is not required.  If you are doing quite a bit of rendering, you may want to consider the i7's, but you will blow through your budget by quite a bit if you go for one.  A good alternate CPU is the Intel Core i5-6400 which is a little slower, but easier on your budget.  $269

 

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - The CPU does not come with a cooling solution in the box.  $29

 

OS:  Windows 10 Home Full Edition (Contains both 32-bit and 64-bit versions) - You need this and it is on a USB key so there is no need for a disc reader unless you want to install disc-based games.  Because this is the full version, you can move it between PC's, unlike the System Builder/OEM versions.  $119

 

RAM:  Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 - You need DDR4-2133 or better RAM with this motherboard.  $79

 

SSD:  Crucial BX200 2.5" 240GB SATA III - You can install your OS and few of your most frequently used programs on this for a speed boost.  $84

 

HDD:  Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB - This drive is used for data such as pictures, music, movies, etc.  $50

 

PSU:  EVGA 120-G1-0750-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 750 W - This is a fairly high-end power supply and likely more than you need.  $109

 

Case:  NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK - This is a full ATX case.  I find them easier to work in and can hold plenty of large components, they are a bit more expensive though.  $109

 

GPU:  EVGA GeForce GTX 970 - This is a very good GPU for the money.  Games tend to use the GPU more heavily than the CPU.  If you want to splurge, the EVGA GeForce GTX 980 is also very nice, and a better performer, but more expensive.  $299

 

Total Cost:  $1285 (Excluding taxes, shipping, and rebates)

 

 

 


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Posted 19 November 2015 - 03:06 PM

 

 

Don't get a single memory module get dual 4's or 8's. That motherboard likely requires both color coded memory banks to be populated. Having dual memory increases the performance of the system anyways. That case is overkill. It has two top fan slots and two in the sides and comes with a one front and one rear 120mm fans. You may want to buy a pack of four 120mm fans otherwise you will have gaping holes in the side and top of your case. Or get a case with no side or top like that. A far as the OS goes it depends on the price if you can get Windows 10 pro cheap then go that route. Or get Win7 pro or Win8 pro.

Would these be better http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-8500-204-Pin-CT2K4G3S1067M-CT2C4G3S1067M/dp/B008LTBJFM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1447804613&sr=8-4&keywords=RAM+8gb+kit ?

 

 

That is not the right memory modules. Those are sodimm for mac laptops.

 

Can you provide links to the hardware you selected? Just want to make sure what you're buying is the right hardware.

 

The cpu you selected only supports DDR3 240pin 1333/1666mhz 1.5v...

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-240-Pin-Desktop-Memory-F3-1600C9D-8GAB/dp/B007AJY0ZA/ref=sr_1_16?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447844480&sr=1-16&keywords=sdram&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2253866011

 

Case:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I2H0YS/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B006I2H0YS&linkCode=as2&tag=pcbuonabu-20&linkId=GFGGX6WUHFGBXLC7

 

Processor:

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80646I74790K-i7-4790K-Processor-Cache/dp/B00KPRWAX8/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1437785066&sr=1-1&keywords=4790k&linkCode=sl1&tag=pcbuonabu-20&linkId=05c1226d7d2bd9e64a75ac94a17a1256

 

Motherboard: 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K23BW70/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00K23BW70&linkCode=as2&tag=pcbuonabu-20&linkId=QD56C76OXEKUPDXX

 

Video Card:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NH5T1MS/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00NH5T1MS&linkCode=as2&tag=pcbuonabu-20&linkId=RGK6O2Y23JL23UXU

 

RAM:(Your recommendation): 

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-240-Pin-Desktop-Memory-F3-1600C9D-8GAB/dp/B007AJY0ZA/ref=sr_1_16?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447844480&sr=1-16&keywords=sdram&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2253866011

 

Power Supply:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K85X23O/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00K85X23O&linkCode=as2&tag=pcbuonabu-20&linkId=4F42T5MCXX6C542U

 

Hard Drive:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005T3GRNW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005T3GRNW&linkCode=as2&tag=pcbuonabu-20&linkId=TLDNXK7Z6ZJ7XXVR

 

 

CD Drive:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CE58ZYC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00CE58ZYC&linkCode=as2&tag=pcbuonabu-20&linkId=DBA7744K6C2OG5VL

 

OS:

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-Flash-Drive/dp/B01019T6O0/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447963537&sr=1-1&keywords=Windows+10+os

 

 

Thanks for the help so far.



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Posted 20 November 2015 - 07:27 AM

That build is based on the LGA 1150 platform which is slowly being phased out for the LGA 1151/Skylake platform, your upgrade options will be limited on the 1150.  You probably don't need an i7 CPU, especially with gaming since most games are designed for four or two cores and usually don't take advantage of HyperThreading.  For a modern gaming PC, per-core performance will be a bit more important than throwing more cores at the game since some developers don't utilize more than four cores very well.  A high-end i5 will do well and you can reallocate the money to other components.

 

The i5 6600k (Skylake) and i7 4790k (Haswell refresh) are similar performers with the Skylake being on the newer, and a little more expensive, platform with an upgrade path.  Overclock the 6600k and it may come out ahead in some games.  If you really want an i7, get the i7 6700, it is on Skylake but is a little more expensive than a 4790k.


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Posted 20 November 2015 - 09:19 PM

I priced out a build with all the components, but you probably won't be able to do this under $1100.  Here's a build idea...

 

Motherboard:  GIGABYTE GA-Z170XP-SLI (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel Z170 - If you are going Skylake, you should be getting a Z170 board.  The Skylake CPU's are not compatible with sockets other than LGA 1151.  $129

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz - This is more than sufficient for gaming, an i7 is not required.  If you are doing quite a bit of rendering, you may want to consider the i7's, but you will blow through your budget by quite a bit if you go for one.  A good alternate CPU is the Intel Core i5-6400 which is a little slower, but easier on your budget.  $269

 

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - The CPU does not come with a cooling solution in the box.  $29

 

OS:  Windows 10 Home Full Edition (Contains both 32-bit and 64-bit versions) - You need this and it is on a USB key so there is no need for a disc reader unless you want to install disc-based games.  Because this is the full version, you can move it between PC's, unlike the System Builder/OEM versions.  $119

 

RAM:  Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 - You need DDR4-2133 or better RAM with this motherboard.  $79

 

SSD:  Crucial BX200 2.5" 240GB SATA III - You can install your OS and few of your most frequently used programs on this for a speed boost.  $84

 

HDD:  Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB - This drive is used for data such as pictures, music, movies, etc.  $50

 

PSU:  EVGA 120-G1-0750-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 750 W - This is a fairly high-end power supply and likely more than you need.  $109

 

Case:  NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK - This is a full ATX case.  I find them easier to work in and can hold plenty of large components, they are a bit more expensive though.  $109

 

GPU:  EVGA GeForce GTX 970 - This is a very good GPU for the money.  Games tend to use the GPU more heavily than the CPU.  If you want to splurge, the EVGA GeForce GTX 980 is also very nice, and a better performer, but more expensive.  $299

 

Total Cost:  $1285 (Excluding taxes, shipping, and rebates)

 

 

 

Here's the thing though he/she is buying into a older build and if you're going to spend 1100 you might as well save up and throw in $400 more dollars and get into a 2011v2 build. Spending $1500 is about average cost these days. As an example with a mix of your hardware you put together. May even be able to pinch this even more....

 

Gigabyte GA-x99 $299.00
Intel core I7-5820k Haswell-E LGA2011v3 $389.99
G.skill Ripjaws V series 16GB 2x8 DDR4 $89.99
cpu cooler master $29
case $65.54
video $299
PSU EVGA $109
SSD $84
HDD $50
Windows 10 home $99.99

$1,513.99


Edited by technonymous, 20 November 2015 - 09:21 PM.


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Posted 20 November 2015 - 09:20 PM

 

I priced out a build with all the components, but you probably won't be able to do this under $1100.  Here's a build idea...

 

Motherboard:  GIGABYTE GA-Z170XP-SLI (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel Z170 - If you are going Skylake, you should be getting a Z170 board.  The Skylake CPU's are not compatible with sockets other than LGA 1151.  $129

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz - This is more than sufficient for gaming, an i7 is not required.  If you are doing quite a bit of rendering, you may want to consider the i7's, but you will blow through your budget by quite a bit if you go for one.  A good alternate CPU is the Intel Core i5-6400 which is a little slower, but easier on your budget.  $269

 

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - The CPU does not come with a cooling solution in the box.  $29

 

OS:  Windows 10 Home Full Edition (Contains both 32-bit and 64-bit versions) - You need this and it is on a USB key so there is no need for a disc reader unless you want to install disc-based games.  Because this is the full version, you can move it between PC's, unlike the System Builder/OEM versions.  $119

 

RAM:  Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 - You need DDR4-2133 or better RAM with this motherboard.  $79

 

SSD:  Crucial BX200 2.5" 240GB SATA III - You can install your OS and few of your most frequently used programs on this for a speed boost.  $84

 

HDD:  Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB - This drive is used for data such as pictures, music, movies, etc.  $50

 

PSU:  EVGA 120-G1-0750-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 750 W - This is a fairly high-end power supply and likely more than you need.  $109

 

Case:  NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK - This is a full ATX case.  I find them easier to work in and can hold plenty of large components, they are a bit more expensive though.  $109

 

GPU:  EVGA GeForce GTX 970 - This is a very good GPU for the money.  Games tend to use the GPU more heavily than the CPU.  If you want to splurge, the EVGA GeForce GTX 980 is also very nice, and a better performer, but more expensive.  $299

 

Total Cost:  $1285 (Excluding taxes, shipping, and rebates)

 

 

 

Here's the thing though he is buying into a older build and if you're going to spend 1100 you might as well save up and throw in $400 more dollars and get into a 2011v2 build. Spending $1500 is about average cost these days. As an example with a mix of your hardware you put together. He may even be able to pinch this even more....

 

Gigabyte GA-x99 $299.00
Intel core I7-5820k Haswell-E LGA2011v3 $389.99
G.skill Ripjaws V series 16GB 2x8 DDR4 $89.99
cpu cooler master $29
case $65.54
video $299
PSU EVGA $109
SSD $84
HDD $50
Windows 10 home $99.99

$1,513.99

 



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 07:44 AM

Don't get a single memory module get dual 4's or 8's. That motherboard likely requires both color coded memory banks to be populated. Having dual memory increases the performance of the system anyways.


Not correct. Almost every motherboard support single channel ram. On benchmarks gaming isn't effected by ram bandwidth. Ram bandwidth only effects servers and 7zip decompression rates. I think the op's ram configuration is good, as if he needs to upgrade, he can just stick another 8GB stick in.

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 01:06 PM

 

Don't get a single memory module get dual 4's or 8's. That motherboard likely requires both color coded memory banks to be populated. Having dual memory increases the performance of the system anyways.


Not correct. Almost every motherboard support single channel ram. On benchmarks gaming isn't effected by ram bandwidth. Ram bandwidth only effects servers and 7zip decompression rates. I think the op's ram configuration is good, as if he needs to upgrade, he can just stick another 8GB stick in.

 

Yes you're correct I was tired and thinking triple channel. I never buy anything less than a dual kit, but that's me. I lost count how many times I had to buy a new kit to replace some odd memory configuration. Games are getting increasingly large these days and eating up memory. Dual channel performance depends on the saturation of that memory. Lets say you have 8G that never goes over 4G useage, ok great it runs 40g's bandwidth right? Now take that same memory use and displace it accross 2x2g 1600mhz cas7 memory modules. Dual, triple, quad is nice for gamig and multitasking if you do it right and do a lot of large tasks, video editing etc.


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:30 AM

750w is overkill

500w is enough

 

Options:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Modular-Supply-220-G2-0550-Y1/dp/B0106RDI3W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448267370&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+g2+550w

 

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Continuous-Crossfire-220-GS-0550-V1/dp/B00UVN20UO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1448267370&sr=8-2&keywords=evga+g2+550w

 

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Wired-Bronze-Power-Supply/dp/B004RJ8EKI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448267381&sr=8-1&keywords=xfx+550w

 

http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Current-HCG-520M-BRONZE-Modular/dp/B006TVQTAY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448267400&sr=8-1&keywords=antec+high+current+gamer+520


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 09:29 AM

I did say 750W was more than what the OP needed.  The exception to this is a multi-GPU configuration, but even that may require more wattage than 750W.  If the OP is only going to use a single GPU for the lifetime of the PC, then 500W should be enough for most GPU's.  I've seen some GPU's, typically the 980 Ti, suggest 600W.

 

Other PSU's include:

 

CORSAIR CX series CX600M

SILVERSTONE ST60F-PB 600W

SeaSonic G Series SSR-550RM 550W


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