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#1 ranchhand_

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 08:44 AM

https://thehackernews.com/2015/10/windows-10-upgrade.html

 

Has anyone had any experience with this?


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Posted 20 October 2015 - 08:48 AM

This has already been discussed at length in these parts.  Search for the link you posted and you'll find the threads.

 

MS claims that this was an error and has already removed the update that behaved in this manner.  I never experienced it personally but had updated the machines I wanted to update to Windows 10 before it occurred.  I have not had this pop up on either the Win7 or Win8.1 machines I have chosen not to update.


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Posted 20 October 2015 - 08:57 AM

Yeah, it happened to a client of mine but before this latest 'mistake'.  In her case it was two machines and happened on 9/28 due to that infernal KB 3035583 popping up on her systemtray.  Fortunately she was savvy enough to back up first, but it took two days to revert properly back, the horrid windows.old file didn't do the job.  Of course, now that she reverted, the problem will just keep going.

 

I didn't have time to warn her.  I don't do computer stuff for a living, but pension plans, but even so I feel responsible.  I told her to turn updates OFF, and am doing that with all clients.  You can't afford to even CHECK for updates unless you cloned first and do the check manually, anymore.  This pre-ticked 'optional' ruse will recur, but as 'important' or I bet even as 'security'.  They are getting more and more aggressive each time.

 

Am thinking of providing my clients' data to them on bootable, pre-configured Linux installation sticks, instead of the usual email.  So they can just plug in, boot up, copy off the pdf files to their Windows or Macs, and then have a spare Linux alternative so they won't have to update Win7 anymore.  With XP that's already a better option, but Win7 still is supposed to receive patches.  However, this Win10 thingy STOPS the Win7 patches, so why not just turn WU off.

 

MSFT has no idea what damage it's doing.  It's as if seedpod people run the company.


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Posted 20 October 2015 - 09:09 AM

The amount of breathless hyperbole from certain members of this community has become a real amusement to watch.


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Posted 20 October 2015 - 02:15 PM

Ok, thanks guys. I know about all the flack with M/Soft and their updates, I thought this was something new.


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Posted 20 October 2015 - 02:36 PM

Ok, thanks guys. I know about all the flack with M/Soft and their updates, I thought this was something new.

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Edited by RolandJS, 20 October 2015 - 03:17 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 02:59 PM

https://thehackernews.com/2015/10/windows-10-upgrade.html

 

Has anyone had any experience with this?

 

 

Hey there ranchhand_, I'm not anxious to contribute to the din but I used this a few days ago on 2 Win 7 machines (Home Premium) and haven't had any problem with any updates since then.

 

 

I've done my fair share of griping (mea culpa, mea culpa) but also wanted to offer up something positive if/when I found it.

 

Hope it helps.

 

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 03:15 PM

The amount of breathless hyperbole from certain members of this community has become a real amusement to watch.

NotebookReview's forum has a thread that, just like BC has been doing, fully discusses Telemetry and Windows 10 snafu. And, there are some suggestions for fixing the problems, and for keeping current.


Edited by RolandJS, 20 October 2015 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 06:07 PM

NotebookReview's forum has a thread that, just like BC has been doing, fully discusses Telemetry and Windows 10 snafu. And, there are some suggestions for fixing the problems, and for keeping current.

 

 

 

Wow, there is some serious information over there as well as some angry MS users.

 

Thanks for the heads up.

 

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 07:48 PM

@RolandJS, yes thank you.  I've been there for 2 years but never expected Win10 info.  Thought it was just about hardware.

 

They have polls which show only 27% keeping Windows 10, here.  If typical, it explains why there's no Win10 opt-out given, why this topic has to exist in the first place: if typical, nearly everyone got their chance to adopt, already.  Fascinating breakdown.


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Posted 21 October 2015 - 05:21 PM

Thanks to all again for the input.  I am heartily in agreement. I also have an observation which is strictly IMHO; M/Soft is casting covetous eyes at Apple, which specializes in serving totally clueless users who flock to their stores for every little problem they have with their computers and i-thingys. Apple computer users, with the exception of a few, are totally unaware of whether Apple is monitoring them, tracking them, etc. and really don't care. 

There is no way that M/Soft is ever going to convert to a huge Apple Corp. with millions of unquestioning paying customer. M/Soft has millions of IT-savvy users who are always going to react just as they have already and that is not going to change. If we wanted to run Apple, we would. We want the freedom to tweak, add, convert and configure our apps and keep our security. Why? Because we have a lot to lose! Apple boasts security and few instances of virus infections, but that is because they are a minor game-player in the overall business application and enterprise fields which are the money-makers for Microsoft. Hackers and script-kiddies write for Windows because that is where the money is. Foreign governments attempt to hack into industry for tech information, and government agencies for espionage. Apple is not concerned with these domains.

For the last 15 years I don't get a feeling of stability or objective purpose with Microsoft. They are striking out blindly, forgetting who their users are. One man's opinion.


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Posted 21 October 2015 - 05:33 PM

You state the case extraordinarily well.  I hadn't thought of that before.  30+ years ago MSFT was obsessed with Apple and it remains.  Now I get it.  I've always been a Windows Junkie, but never understood the preoccupation with Apple.

 

So to try and turn Win10 into a Phone OS, even mimicking in Paragraph 3 of aka.ms/msa the lame clause in the iTunes license that you won't use your iTunes to make nuclear bombs (makeuseof had that article, here;  actual Apple license is here, search on 'nuclear' and prepare to guffaw).  Except, Paragraph 3 goes much farther.  To best Apple?  Wow.  What a fixation.

 

And it shows, even now:  all that nonsense with phones so late in the game, tablet, now Win10's needless Cortana, Hello, Hololens, Xbox, the move to Microsoft Stores, making its own hardware.  Goliath wants to be David, wants to abandon the other Philistine hoplites which fed it and go with the Israelites who won't.  Why?  Means Goliath, is immature.  So David will fell it.

 

Again, thank you for stating the case so well.

Thanks to all again for the input.  I am heartily in agreement. I also have an observation which is strictly IMHO; M/Soft is casting covetous eyes at Apple, which specializes in serving totally clueless users who flock to their stores for every little problem they have with their computers and i-thingys. Apple computer users, with the exception of a few, are totally unaware of whether Apple is monitoring them, tracking them, etc. and really don't care. 

There is no way that M/Soft is ever going to convert to a huge Apple Corp. with millions of unquestioning paying customer. M/Soft has millions of IT-savvy users who are always going to react just as they have already and that is not going to change. If we wanted to run Apple, we would. We want the freedom to tweak, add, convert and configure our apps and keep our security. Why? Because we have a lot to lose! Apple boasts security and few instances of virus infections, but that is because they are a minor game-player in the overall business application and enterprise fields which are the money-makers for Microsoft. Hackers and script-kiddies write for Windows because that is where the money is. Foreign governments attempt to hack into industry for tech information, and government agencies for espionage. Apple is not concerned with these domains.

For the last 15 years I don't get a feeling of stability or objective purpose with Microsoft. They are striking out blindly, forgetting who their users are. One man's opinion.


Edited by brainout, 21 October 2015 - 05:45 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 07:02 AM

 

There is no way that M/Soft is ever going to convert to a huge Apple Corp. with millions of unquestioning paying customer. M/Soft has millions of IT-savvy users who are always going to react just as they have already and that is not going to change. If we wanted to run Apple, we would. We want the freedom to tweak, add, convert and configure our apps and keep our security. Why? Because we have a lot to lose!

 

 

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