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#1 RVAH-12

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 04:33 AM

I don't think that I've been bitten by the Win 10 takeover effort, but I have heard the win 10 version of widows defender stops competing software from working and can't be removed.  So, I'm not taking any chances and want to remove it from my win 7 Pro OS before an update bites me.  I can't find any conventional way of doing this.  I can only find a way to turn it off from being the default AV in Action Center, but I still get definition updates for it and won't use it anymore.  Norton 360 is my 'everyday driver' among others.  Programs and Features doesn't list it.  Revo Uninstaller Pro doesn't show it.  I haven't looked in Services yet, spent hours last night turning off services that somehow started again, some that were new ... the 'emaculate deception'.  Any suggestions?  - R


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 04:42 AM

Windows Defender under Windows 7 is only an antispyware and not an antivirus. You can't remove it as it is part of the OS - the most that you can do is disabling it, but leaving it on won't hurt anyone.

Also the "Windows Defender cannot be turned off" only applies to Windows 10 AFAIK - even under 8 and 8.1 WD did not behave that way.

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 04:46 AM

Removing it seems not advisable... but you could disable it.

On this page scroll down to "How to Disable Windows Defender in Windows 7 or 8" and perform the steps.

 

Do you get defender updates after you did these steps ?

 

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 05:20 AM

HA!  Thanks OTT, that was reassuring and believe it or not, those were my settings.  Don't know why I got a definition update a while back.  Alexstrasza says it's only an antispyware program.  If that's the case, then MS is the last thing that I will rely upon for anti-spyware.  Thanks again.  - R



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Posted 01 September 2015 - 10:20 AM

Windows 7 offers Security Essentials as an antivirus.


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 12:53 PM


Windows Defender in Windows 7/Vista is an anti-spyware tool intended to supplement your anti-virus program. Windows 8 and Windows 10 integrates a more robust version of Windows Defender (and uses that name) for its anti-virus and anti-malware protection. Although it uses the same name, it is not the same as Defender in previous operating systems. Windows Defender 8/10 provides the same level of protection against malware as Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) on older operation systems and uses the same daily virus definition updates.

Since Windows 8/10 Defender includes anti-virus protection, it typically is disabled by the installation of a third-party anti-virus program. If a trial anti-virus (i.e. McAfee, Norton, etc) came preinstalled on your computer or you installed one, it most likely turned Windows 8 Defender off (disabled) to avoid conflicts. Windows 8/10 Defender will remain disabled until that anti-virus software has been completely uninstalled. In some cases, you may need to download and run the anti-virus vendor's clean up tool to remove any remaining remnants...then Windows 8/10 Defender needs to be activated if you choose to use it. When uninstalling the third-party anti-virus you may receive a message indicated your system has no protection...click here to turn on Windows Defender. If not, you will need to manually turn it on.

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 06:09 PM

Windows 7 offers Security Essentials as an antivirus.

 

dc3 - Thanks for your input, but Security Essentials, now there's a 'boat anchor'.  Found it and quickly lost it a while back.  I don't think they are supporting it well enough.  Works like a half-baked Linux program, all patched together.  Many of the programs caused as much trouble as a regular virus. No Joke.  SE was a traumatic experience for me.  - R

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 06:19 PM

Windows Defender in Windows 7/Vista is an anti-spyware tool intended to supplement your anti-virus program. Windows 8 and Windows 10 ...

quietman7 - Thanks for straitening me out on that one.  One less thing to worry about ... and you did so without being demeaning/snarky.  Case closed.  Kudos  -R


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 06:25 PM

Windows Defender under Windows 7 is only an antispyware and not an antivirus. You can't remove it as it is part of the OS - the most that you can do is disabling it, but leaving it on won't hurt anyone.

Also the "Windows Defender cannot be turned off" only applies to Windows 10 AFAIK - even under 8 and 8.1 WD did not behave that way.

Alexstrasza - I had to disable it (unless I ran it).  Norton 360 is my 'daily driver' and they didn't play well together at times.  Those AV's are a lot like us, aren't they?  - R



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Posted 01 September 2015 - 06:30 PM

O.T.T. -

 

"Do you get defender updates after you did these steps ?"

 

I've gotten 1 a couple of weeks ago 'out of the blue".  That's why I was getting paranoid.  Thought it might be another ploy by MS.  Who knows.



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 02:14 AM

Alexstrasza - I had to disable it (unless I ran it).  Norton 360 is my 'daily driver' and they didn't play well together at times.  Those AV's are a lot like us, aren't they?  - R

I use Emsisoft Internet Security, and I leave Windows Defender enabled. Since it's just an antispyware (somewhat like Malwarebytes) leaving it on won't cause conflict and does not hurt anyone.




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