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#1 TheFabz

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Posted 31 August 2015 - 02:34 PM

(The title is a typo. It was going to say, "Upgrade a six year old AM2(+?)", but my fingers are particularly slippery today.)

 

I've got no money for a new system, but these damn slowdowns and mouse-freezes despite multiple cleanings have gotten to be too much for me. I already know what RAM I'm getting.

 

Trouble is the processor. My model's an HP pavilion Slimline s5213w--Sempron LE-1250. And some sources say its socket's an AM2, others say AM2+. Either way it's limited to 89w, so even if it is AM2+, that might not give me as much freedom as I'd like.

 

I've been eyeing a like-new Athlong 64 X2 5800+ for $25 from a reputable dealer. And I'd like to know how much an improvement that'd really be over the current CPU, or if I could get something even better. Though I doubt that.


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 03:22 PM

Can you do a speccy and post the results? It will give detailed info on your system.

 

Also a couple things about upgrading a pre built machine. Some of the times the motherboard is built around 1 cpu and the bios won't support anything else. So you will definitely want to make sure it can be upgraded. If it can't... you'll pretty much have to start from scratch (building your own or buying a new one).


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 03:53 PM

I tried to title the boxes instead of just leaving them as "spoiler," but this board doesn't recognize the code.
 
Socket's AM2 after all. Possible noob question. Does that 32-bit bus limit CPU bit-rate?
 
SUMMARY
Operating System
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
    AMD Sempron LE-1250    40 °C
    Sparta 65nm Technology
RAM
    4.00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 368MHz (6-6-6-18)
Motherboard
    PEGATRON CORPORATION NARRA5 (Socket AM2 )    40 °C
Graphics
    HP w1858 (1366x768@60Hz)
    256MB NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 (HP)
Storage
    298GB Western Digital WDC WD32 00AAJS-65M0A SCSI Disk Device (SATA)    37 °C
Optical Drives
    hp DVD-RAM GH40L SCSI CdRom Device
Audio
    Realtek High Definition Audio}
 
OS DETAILS

Operating System
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
    Computer type: Desktop
    Installation Date: 7/30/2010 11:21:32 AM
    Serial Number: Mod Edit: Removed O/S license - Hamluis.
        Windows Security Center
            User Account Control (UAC)    Enabled
            Notify level    2 - Default
        Windows Update
            AutoUpdate    Not configured
        Windows Defender
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            Antivirus    Enabled
            Display Name    Panda Free Antivirus
            Virus Signature Database    Up to date
        .NET Frameworks installed
            v4.5 Full
            v4.5 Client
            v3.5 SP1
            v3.0 SP2
            v2.0 SP2
        Internet Explorer
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        PowerShell
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                    Path    C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre1.8.0_51\bin\java.exe
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            Turn Off Monitor after: (On AC Power)    Never
            Turn Off Hard Disk after: (On AC Power)    20 min
            Suspend after: (On AC Power)    Never
            Screen saver    Disabled
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                Current Session
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                    Current Uptime    8,874 sec (0 d, 02 h, 27 m, 54 s)
                    Last Boot Time    8/31/2015 11:16:56 AM
        Services
        TimeZone
            TimeZone    GMT -8:00 Hours
            Language    English (United States)
            Location    United States
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            8/31/2015 1:57 PM;    GoogleUpdateTaskMachineUA
            9/1/2015 12:57 PM;    GoogleUpdateTaskMachineCore
            9/4/2015 5:26 PM;    RealUpgradeScheduledTaskS-1-5-21-2246099123-1394826163-1669241437-1000
            9/7/2015 10:00 AM;    Adobe Reader and Acrobat Manager
            9/7/2015 10:00 AM;    Java Platform SE Auto Updater
            Adobe Acrobat Update Task
            CCleanerSkipUAC
            RealUpgradeLogonTaskS-1-5-21-2246099123-1394826163-1669241437-1000
 
CPU DETAILS
[spoiler]CPU
        AMD Sempron LE-1250
            Cores    1
            Threads    1
            Name    AMD Sempron LE-1250
            Code Name    Sparta
            Package    Socket AM2 (940)
            Technology    65nm
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            Family    F
            Extended Family    F
            Model    F
            Extended Model    7F
            Stepping    2
            Revision    DH-G2
            Instructions    MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, AMD 64, NX
            Virtualization    Not supported
            Hyperthreading    Not supported
            Fan Speed    1730 RPM
            Bus Speed    200.9 MHz
            Rated Bus Speed    803.5 MHz
            Stock Core Speed    2200 MHz
            Stock Bus Speed    200 MHz
            Average Temperature    35 °C
                Caches
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                    L1 Instructions Cache Size    64 KBytes
                    L2 Unified Cache Size    512 KBytes
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                        Core Speed    Multiplier    Bus Speed    Rated Bus Speed    Temperature    Threads
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RAM
        Memory slots
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            Used memory slots    2
            Free memory slots    0
        Memory
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            Size    4096 MBytes
            Channels #    Dual
            DRAM Frequency    368.4 MHz
            CAS# Latency (CL)    6 clocks
            RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD)    6 clocks
            RAS# Precharge (tRP)    6 clocks
            Cycle Time (tRAS)    18 clocks
            Bank Cycle Time (tRC)    24 clocks
            Command Rate (CR)    2T
        Physical Memory
            Memory Usage    31 %
            Total Physical    3.75 GB
            Available Physical    2.58 GB
            Total Virtual    7.50 GB
            Available Virtual    5.83 GB
        SPD
            Number Of SPD Modules    2
                Slot #1
                Slot #2
 
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Motherboard
    Manufacturer    PEGATRON CORPORATION
    Model    NARRA5 (Socket AM2 )
    Chipset Vendor    NVIDIA
    Chipset Model    MCP61
    Chipset Revision    A3
    Southbridge Vendor    NVIDIA
    Southbridge Model    MCP61
    Southbridge Revision    A2
    System Temperature    40 °C
        BIOS
            Brand    Phoenix Technologies, LTD
            Version    5.55
            Date    12/8/2009
        Voltage
            VIN0    1.688 V
            MEMORY CONTROLLER    1.672 V
            VIN2    1.544 V
        PCI Data
                Slot PCI
                    Slot Type    PCI
                    Slot Usage    Available
                    Bus Width    32 bit
                    Slot Designation    PCI1
                    Characteristics    5V, PME
                    Slot Number    0
                Slot PCI-E
                    Slot Type    PCI-E
                    Slot Usage    Available
                    Data lanes    x16
                    Slot Designation    PCIEX16
                    Characteristics    5V, PME
                    Slot Number    1
                Slot PCI-E
                    Slot Type    PCI-E
                    Slot Usage    In Use
                    Data lanes    x1
                    Slot Designation    PCIEX1_1
                    Characteristics    5V, PME
                    Slot Number    2
                Slot PCI-E
                    Slot Type    PCI-E
                    Slot Usage    Available
                    Data lanes    x1
                    Slot Designation    PCIEX1_2
                    Characteristics    5V, PME
                    Slot Number    3

 

 

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Posted 31 August 2015 - 04:04 PM

I'm not seeing where the CPU is 32bit.. looks like its a 64bit CPU. I am not entirely sure on your question.. but I would guess to say yes it would limit it.

 

HP seems to be saying the board supports AM2+ chips... Says it will support the following:

 

  • AMD Phenom II Quad-Core

  • AMD Phenom II Triple-Core

  • AMD Phenom Quad-Core (A) 9xxx series (AM2+)

  • AMD Phenom Triple-Core (T) 8xxx series (AM2+)

  • AMD Athlon X4

  • AMD Athlon X3

  • AMD Athlon X2 ( B ) (AM2+)

It has as max TDP of 95W, so the CPU can't go above that. As long as that is your board from HP's site.. looks like you can choose from a decent selection of chips.


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 04:54 PM

Listen to DeimosChaos he knows what he's talking about.  I've looked into the same thing myself as my machine is similar.  He's done your homework for you.  It's probably wise that you do the same, just to learn for yourself.  Go to the OEMs webpage and the CPUs webpage and the Motherboard web page, and find out what is compatible.  If the person that wants you to buy a used machine and doesn't have the documentation, that would make me question whether it's stolen or he/she is just stupid.  In any case, you should be allowed to open it up and find the P/Ns.  Doing this will help to make PCs less of a mystery to you.  - R



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Posted 01 September 2015 - 07:35 PM

I don't know what was wrong with me that day. I was thinking of the Athlon I mentioned when I said my board's TDP was 89W. I also meant to ask whether the PCI's 32-bit bus width would somehow limit or interfere the CPU's bit-rate, but wound up cutting out half the words. Though that might still be hard to answer. If so, I don't need an answer.

 

I saw that HP support page before I came here, and was skeptical about the choice of CPUs. But I read today that you can put AM3 chips in AM2+ sockets, just not vice-versa.

 

Thank you very much for your help.

 

Edit: Eyeing a Phenom II X4 960T, but there's a possible problem. Looking at open case right now. Looks like the board's not a Narra5 like it's supposed to be, but a Narra3.


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 09:11 PM

I don't know what was wrong with me that day. I was thinking of the Athlon I mentioned when I said my board's TDP was 89W. I also meant to ask whether the PCI's 32-bit bus width would somehow limit or interfere the CPU's bit-rate, but wound up cutting out half the words. Though that might still be hard to answer. If so, I don't need an answer.

 

I saw that HP support page before I came here, and was skeptical about the choice of CPUs. But I read today that you can put AM3 chips in AM2+ sockets, just not vice-versa.

 

Thank you very much for your help.

 

Edit: Eyeing a Phenom II X4 960T, but there's a possible problem. Looking at open case right now. Looks like the board's not a Narra5 like it's supposed to be, but a Narra3.

All good.

 

I don't think the 32 bit PCI bus will limit the CPU no. I could be wrong on that though, so don't take my word for it.

It looks like the Narra3 can do up to the quad core 9600... so as long as the 960T is in the 9600 family it should work I would think... (the 960T is throwing me a bit though, not sure if it is in the same family since its 960 and not 9600...)


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 07:15 AM

I have had several AMD X2 processors...and I have a system running XP and Win 7 with the M2N68AM-Plus motherboard.(which is Socket AM2+).

 

Motherboard Specs

Socket type: AM2
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:
  • Athlon 64 X2 with Dual Core technology up to 5600+ (up to 89 watt)
  • Athlon 64 less than 4000+
  • Sempron less than 3800+

 

Note:  The fact that the motherboard doesn't officially support a given X2 processor...doesn't mean that you cannot install/use said X2 processor.  It just means that the system manufacturer doesn't support such a move and all risks are on the system owner.  Not a consideration at this point, considering the system and component ages.

 

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