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Admins rail against 'unwanted and unexpected' Windows 10 downloads


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#1 JohnC_21

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:29 AM

Some IT admins are complaining that Microsoft is slowing networks to a crawl by unexpectedly pushing Windows 10 upgrade files to networked PCs

Firms are complaining that Microsoft is slowing their networks by pushing Windows 10 files to computers they don't want to upgrade.

Over the past couple of days various IT admins in the US and the UK have reported slow network speeds as Windows 10 upgrade files were unexpectedly downloaded to Windows 7 and 8.1 machines.

Windows Update appears to be delivering the files to centrally-managed networked PCs on a Windows Domain.

IT pros managing these networks had been under the impression that Domain-joined PCs would not receive any downloads without the upgrade being initiated by an administrator - based on guidance issued before last week's Windows 10 launch.

But Microsoft appears to be pushing to these machines files that would be needed should the businesses decide to upgrade to Windows 10. Between 2GB and 3GB of files are reportedly being downloaded to each machine and stored in a hidden folder on the Local Disk called $Windows.~BT

 

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:32 AM

I find it funny that they blame Microsoft for that. In fact it means that they aren't managing the Windows Updates correctly on their end, simple as that. We have over 5,000+ computers here, and they aren't receiving the Windows 10 upgrade at all. Before complaining about Microsoft and the Windows Update, they should manage it properly.

Also, it seems that they took for "official" informations found in a thread where no actual Microsoft employee replied.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 10:06 AM

I'm with Aura on this.  These are Admins that aren't properly managing their networks and machines.  They should be running a Windows Server Update Services (WSUS) machine where they have complete control over the updates and only that machine actually reaches out to Microsoft to download updates, all internal machines get their updates from the WSUS machine.  That and there was probably a change they could have made to prevent the downloads.

 

You can't re-actively administer a network, you have to always be looking ahead to see what's coming.  The less reactive work you do the happier you, and your users, will be.


Edited by Kilroy, 06 August 2015 - 10:56 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 10:24 AM

Yeah, and that's Windows server 2012.  Many aren't on it, yet.  What if they can't afford it?  What if for other reasons, they have to stay on older stuff?

 

Moreover, what about Mr. Joe average user, who cannot use Group Policy to stop the stupid GWX from appearing in the first place?  I could find no option in my Win7 Group Policy to stop it.  So an individual machine has what ability to stop it?  Oh, he has to become a computer geek and know what KBs secretly foist GWX on you ( 3021417  3035583  2990124  3050265  3068708=  2952664=  3065987= , with the "=" ones being in the mid-July Win7 updates).

 

THAT IS MSFT's FAULT, not any sysadmin's.  Really heinous thing, to make that GWX ad.  Poor Ma McGillicuddy doesn't know what it is, clicks on it -- or worse, has automatic updates which just download and deploy -- then her machine borks and of course she didn't know she needed to clone first.  So now her son has to travel across country to fix it, and then his family loses out, and over and over and over.

 

MSFT IS CALLOUS.  Has been, continues to be.  THERE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE AN OVERRIDE NEEDED.  Instead, the pass-through should be by default, DISabled.

 

Some guy in Germany posted about the same problem some three weeks ago here in BC, and folks tried to help him.  He didn't know about  this option.  How can you know, when MSFT is sly about saying what the GWX KBs even are, and won't at least warn the sysadmins, 'hey, we are pushing updates now, here's the fix if you don't want them'.

 

See, this is what makes for ill will.  THOUGHTLESS CALLOUSNESS by MSFT.  That is its historical view, too.  From Vista onward, ever more callous and hating of the customer. 

 

So, fine.  Done.  No more MSFT, wish they'd return to sanity, but clearly they are not.  For if you hurt people, you hurt me.  And if you hurt me, you hurt yourself.  MSFT is in a world of hurt.


Edited by brainout, 06 August 2015 - 10:49 AM.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 10:35 AM

Well said.



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Posted 06 August 2015 - 11:24 AM

WSUS does not require Server 2012.

 


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How to stop the Windows 10 Upgrade from downloading on your system - June 1, 2015

 

How to prevent users from upgrading to Windows 10 - June 18, 2015 - This is a great thread on the subject.  Pointing out that work machines should be getting updates via WSUS and that machines joined to a domain or using a volume licensing model are not eligible.

 

I don't support the operating system professionally right now, but the similar issues have happened in the past with Internet Explorer and it is up to the network Administrators to keep their machine consistent.



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Posted 06 August 2015 - 11:51 AM

But the opt out of GWX is in Server 2012, as you'll see from the screenshot of its GP, in the article.  So if you cannot opt out, then the sysadmin is not to blame.  It's certainly not in Windows 7 Pro, which I have and just checked.


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 02:47 PM

What if they can't afford it? What if for other reasons, they have to stay on older stuff?


If you have a business, and a Sysadmin, but no SCCM or WSUS server, than it's your fault, not Microsoft's fault. How are you supposed to manage workstations without a server in a corporate environment, comon.

Moreover, what about Mr. Joe average user, who cannot use Group Policy to stop the stupid GWX from appearing in the first place? I could find no option in my Win7 Group Policy to stop it. So an individual machine has what ability to stop it? Oh, he has to become a computer geek and know what KBs secretly foist GWX on you ( 3021417 3035583 2990124 3050265 3068708= 2952664= 3065987= , with the "=" ones being in the mid-July Win7 updates).


We are talking about the Sysadmins here, not your "average Joe user". We are talking about the fact that the update should be disabled via the WSUS or SCCM server by the Sysadmins, not the users around the corporation individually on their systems.

THAT IS MSFT's FAULT, not any sysadmin's. Really heinous thing, to make that GWX ad. Poor Ma McGillicuddy doesn't know what it is, clicks on it -- or worse, has automatic updates which just download and deploy -- then her machine borks and of course she didn't know she needed to clone first. So now her son has to travel across country to fix it, and then his family loses out, and over and over and over.


If the "Get Windows 10" app made it to the user's workstation, it's not Microsoft's fault, it's the Sysadmin for not having prevent it.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 03:22 PM

Out of interest, are Windows 10 upgrade files "pushed" to users who do not opt in via the Get Windows 10  icon?


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 04:14 PM

What Microsoft says about the "Get Windows 10" app is that if you didn't reserve your upgrade, it shouldn't be downloaded automatically on your system.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 04:19 PM

Thanks :)


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 04:22 PM

No problem :)

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 11:06 PM

@Aura, the override shown in the article required 2012 server.  So no one can override it if not already ON that server.  The guy from Germany who came here three weeks ago who you helped.. you didn't blame him, you understood.  So why now this switch?  The admins in the article had an understanding that MSFT wouldn't be pushing the GWX updates through.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 03:53 AM

All I know is that GWX came like a thief in the night. lol Got it installed on a Win 8.1 machine and the upgrade was buggy. It took forever to download and took forever to install. I mean like HOURS to finally boot. Then right off the bat White screen of freezing death. Had to hold the power button and force a reboot. Second time around Black screen of freezing death. Third time around it popped up a restore. Fourth reboot it decided to work. Once in Cortana popped up and said something and closed so fast I didn't even read what it said. Then instantly a popup on the right side on the screen pops up asking to upgrade something, but couldn't read that. Part of the window was blocked and hidden behnd the taskbar. Geeeez. Then the setup began and Microsoft would not accept the prior account when the machine was first booted and setup. I had all the info correctly and they just would not allow me to Microsoft login. So I continued with local account and had to go through all the other nonsense updates, downloads, settings. Gmail pop mail no longer working through the windows live mail. Then you go through the Browser wars and then after setting it all up and turning off most invasive spyware Microsoft has, Cortana tells me the microphone isn't sufficient enough to work right. LOL Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I had to jump through hoops to try and figure out how to recover or find out why the account wouldn't login. I may just turn it all off and go back to Local logon. What a hassle. I mean can you imagine 3000 computers on a network with all these problems? lol Doesn't the p2p part of the download use network? So yeah this is like a disaster in the making. You're going to be working overtime. Be sure to get a large pot of coffee going and few aspirin.


Edited by technonymous, 07 August 2015 - 04:24 AM.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 05:17 AM

brainout, that guy from Germany isn't a Sysadmin but a Support Specialist (or technician). He doesn't have access to any SCCM or WSUS server, so he have to deal with each workstations individually.

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