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How can the end user understand the need for more security than "just" AV/FW?


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#1 midimusicman79

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:53 AM

Hi all!

 

The end user is well aware of the need for Anti-Virus/Firewall, which is a basic "must-have" security setup on every computer. But how can the end user understand the need for more security than "just" AV/FW? – like Anti-Malware, browser security add-ons which help prevent advertisements and block malicious websites and All in One additional security tools like HitmanPro.Alert?

 

Please discuss!

 

Thank you very much in advance!

 

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Edited by midimusicman79, 24 July 2015 - 05:28 AM.

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 07:03 AM

Hi midimusicman79,

Actually a lot of people use adblockers, because the ads are annoying if anything.

Knowledge about antimalware has been pretty widespread recently, if you see the success of Malwarebytes.

Security tools like HitmanPro.Alert are just an additional safeguard in case things go wrong. I don't use them because I don't need to.

And you forgot one of the most important aspects of safe computing practices - backup. :wink:

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 07:22 AM

Hi midimusicman79,

The ever-present car comparison works quite well here as well: You can think of the firewall/antivirus as the seatbelt or airbag of your PC, it will save you if you make a serious error in judgment or if someone runs into you. But that does not mean that you're 100% safe with them.

There's a hundred and one other things that may help increase your safety and indeed an anti-virus and firewall is a very basic protection. However if you're careful with your PC, only visit "safe pages" and update all your software regularly, you should be able to get around without getting infected.
It's easier to remain uninfected if you have some additional helpers. Think of it as a parking assistant of sorts. It is not necessary to have it to safely park, but it sure makes parking without bumping into someone a lot easier. In this way you can block scripts per default, you can block ads, etc.

Just one word to the "all in one" protection. No such thing exists. Hitman Pro is of course advertising it as such, but in reality you will not want to put all your eggs in one basket. Now I'm not saying the tool is bad, I'm just warning against removing all the other protection because you have a "all in one" tool.
Another word with regards to AntiVirus programs: A simple file-scanning anti-virus is very basic, but in reality this description of an anti virus is less and less fitting. Years ago, an anti virus truely was only an anti virus, detecting infections and removing files based on signatures. Nowadays most if not all Anti Virus programs have incorporated behavioural blocking and also exploit blocking. Their aim is to keep you safe, they will not let something pass simply because it's not in their job description.

Looking at the antivirus (well anti-malware) you've listed in your software list, we can see that it also blocks malicious websites, for example and it does behavioura detection as well as the "standard file scanning" which is the activity usually assigned to an anti-virus program.

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 06:33 AM

Hi, Alexstrasza & myrti!

 

Thanks to both of you for the prompt and insightful replies! :)

 

@Alexstrasza: Yeah, of course I forgot backup; sorry, but thank you for the heads-up anyway! :)

 

Just one word to the "all in one" protection. No such thing exists. Hitman Pro is of course advertising it as such, but in reality you will not want to put all your eggs in one basket. Now I'm not saying the tool is bad, I'm just warning against removing all the other protection because you have a "all in one" tool.

 

@myrti: The reason why I added HMP.A to my security setup, was to get Anti-Ransomware protection as well as prevention against drive-by downloads. As such, it was neither my intention to remove any of the other protection, nor should I have used the improper wording All in One-tools, but rather another proper wording; multi-tools, sorry about the mistake! :blink:

 

There's a hundred and one other things that may help increase your safety...

 

@myrti: I have of course already read quietman7's topic; Answers to common security questions - Best Practices, which also Alexstrasza links to in her signature. However, feel free to please expand on your quote from above, as I am always eager to learn... :busy:

 

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Edited by midimusicman79, 25 July 2015 - 05:36 AM.

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 01:38 PM

The end user needs to constantly educate themselves which includes staying informed about the latest malware threats and those recommendations by security experts on how to protect themselves.

For example ...
Krebs on Security: Latest Warnings
Malwarebytes Unpacked (Official Security Blog)
Bleeping Computer Front Page News
SANS Internet Storm Center
A (Graphical) World of Botnets and Cyber Attacks

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Posted 25 July 2015 - 06:07 AM

Hi, quietman7!

 

Thank you for the prompt and informative reply! :)

 

Your links make for interesting reading. :thumbup2:

 

Thank you very much for the help! :) The issue has been successfully resolved! :)

 

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Edited by midimusicman79, 25 July 2015 - 06:08 AM.

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