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#1 rustyharp

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 11:17 PM

Hello! I've had a stock XPS 630i for over six years now and I need to replace the (supposedly) failing graphics card. Knowing that it would require a complete rebuild to play current games, I've decided to do just that. I want to play new games so I'm going to replace everything; that means new display, keyboard, mouse, etc. My new build is going to be used almost solely for gaming – both new and old – and some moderate web browsing/downloading. I would still use the XPS for writing, internet, music, movies, etc. I won't be doing anything like video capture, video editing or Photoshop. No overclocking either.

My main goal is to play Skyrim with lots of pretty textures and graphical mods with smooth frames since I just discovered how beautiful it can be on PC (vanilla game kind of blows in comparison). Next-gen games are on the agenda, too. I most likely won't run any game with all settings maxed unless it's an old game. I want to be able to run the majority of games at comfortably high settings that would look good yet still net smooth frame rates at 1080p.

I plan to have this build last for hopefully quite a few years without an upgrade, but when it eventually needs one, I want some nice headroom for more powerful components down the road. I'd also like to know if I could possibly save some money by downgrading something that may be unnecessarily powerful, or if I should upgrade something that isn't powerful enough. I think I'm good, though.

Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming Mid Tower Case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004K4TEA4/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-Processor-BX80646I54690K/dp/B00KPRWB9G

Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132125&ignorebbr=1

GPU: MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127832&ignorebbr=1

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB DDR3 1866
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231528&ignorebbr=1

SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OBRE5UE/?tag=pcgedit-20&ascsubtag=highendpc

Internal HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236625&ignorebbr=1

External HDD: Western Digital My Passport Ultra 2TB
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Passport-Ultra-Portable/dp/B00E055H5O

Optical Drive: Asus 24x DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204&ignorebbr=1

PSU Option #1: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017&ignorebbr=1

PSU Option #2: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438018

Would I benefit in the long run by upgrading to the 850W, or is the 750W enough for future upgrades? I don't plan on ever having an SLI setup, but you never know. And again, no overclocking. Either one doesn't really matter as they're both 80+ Plus Gold Certified with a 10-year warranty. I would save around $30 by going with the 750W, so that's a plus.

CPU Cooler Option #1: Corsair Hydro Series H50 120mm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010&ignorebbr=1

CPU Cooler Option #2: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 120mm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

I'm kind of torn on whether I want air or liquid cooling. Liquid is supposedly quieter with less maintenance, but I've read that certain air coolers can actually perform marginally better than some liquid ones. A downside of the Hyper 212 is that it seems kind of big in comparison. Overall, I'd like to know which one would be better to keep the PC both quiet and ice cold (figuratively).

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-System-Builder-Packaging/dp/B00H09BB16/ref=sr_1_1?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1435455908&sr=1-1&keywords=Windows+7

Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24" 144Hz
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-VG248QE-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00B2HH7G0

Speakers: Bose Companion 2 Series III Multimedia Speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Bose-Companion-Series-Multimedia-Speakers/dp/B00CD1PTF0

Headphones: Logitech G430 7.1 Surround Sound Gaming Headset
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104847

Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS Poseidon Z Illuminated Keyboard w/Brown Switches
http://www.amazon.com/Tt-eSPORTS-POSEIDON-Illuminated-KB-PIZ-KBBLUS-01/dp/B00M9B2ON4/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

Mouse: Logitech G303 Daedalus Apex Performance Edition Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826197036

Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK Gaming Mouse Pad
http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-QcK-Gaming-Mouse-Black/dp/B000UEZ36W/ref=zg_bs_705323011_1

Wrist Rests: 3M Gel Wrist Rests (6.9 & 18")
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Leatherette-Antimicrobial-Protection-WR309LE/dp/B000X4WCJU/ref=zg_bs_705324011_2

Money is not really an issue, but I don't want to go overboard or have any part over $350 if I can help it. There's only so much I'm willing to pay for certain parts after all. For everything – including peripherals – it comes out to over $2,000, but I think that's a fair price for a powerful mid-range gaming PC and a new display.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WwRHTW
PCPartPicker sees no compatibility issues, so I guess I'm good? I tried to be thorough in comparing each part myself to make sure they matched up, but I may have missed something. Nothing is set in stone and I haven't purchased anything yet, but I'm pretty happy and confident with what I've picked considering I came into this a week ago knowing virtually nothing about PC parts. Research is your friend. :wink:


Edited by rustyharp, 07 July 2015 - 03:15 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 01:20 AM

WOW!  Nice system!!  Except for the OS...
 

Wait until the 29th (of July) & build it w/ Windows 10 from the onset!!

 


Edited by Drew1903, 07 July 2015 - 01:23 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 01:26 AM

EVGA G2 750watts is sufficient for your build, but a lot people would choose 850 watts since a lot of graphics card today and future intend to use more watts. As for CPU cooler, well either both of them is fine but if you are going to choose Corsair, i highly suggest you buy a 3rd party thermal compound since Corsair using cheap preapply thermal compound. This happens to a lot of peoples were they CPU spike up to instance 90C due to bad thermal compound Corsair use, after they apply 3rd party thermal compound their CPU temperature drop from 90 to below 50C. Matter of fact, if you are not doing any type of video editing or editing software then an I5-4690k will do the job fine for gaming only. You only choose I7 CPU if you  planning to do video editing or editing software, because Hyperthreading technology from Intel will shows the I7 true potential, but for gaming is just completely overkill so it just up to you to decide. There's nothing wrong with an I7 for gaming, it's just majority of people and me thinking spend money on a hardware were you are not using all of its true potential power is just waste of money you know?.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 11:10 AM

Hello! I've had a stock XPS 630i for over six years now and I need to replace the (supposedly) failing graphics card. Knowing that it would require a complete rebuild to play current games, I've decided to do just that. I want to play new games so I'm going to replace everything; that means new display, keyboard, mouse, etc. My new build is going to be used almost solely for gaming – both new and old – and some moderate web browsing/downloading. I would still use the XPS for writing, internet, music, movies, etc. I won't be doing anything like video capture, video editing or Photoshop. No overclocking either.

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Rustyharp,

 

Since you will not be overclocking, I selected an Intel Xeon E3 processor that has hyperthreading built-in. Xeon processors do run a lot cooler than Intel 4690k or the 4790k processors, thus a liquid based cooling systems is NOT necessary. 

 

The Xeon processor is plenty powerful for high end games and I selected a different GTX 970 based on better GPU cooling, which is essential for better graphic card performance.

Yes, there will be people commenting that Xeon processors are just for servers only. That's not true! Yes, a large majority of servers do use Xeon based processors, but it's not exclusive to servers. A lot of gaming computers do use Xeon processors due to their lower temperature range than Intel 'k' based processors.

 

I selected a Gigabyte Intel Z97 chipset motherboard due to very good quality and high reliability. With this motherboard, you can upgrade to an overclocked processor if your needs change in the future. 

 

I selected a XFX 850 watt PSU in case you do decide in the future to do a SLi setup. There won't be a need to buy another PSU in order to accommodate a 2nd GPU.

Oh, EVGA PSU are not very good quality power supply units. They use poor components during the manufacturing process, therefore, increasing the chance of an electrical and/or fire hazard. You do NOT want to lose your computer components due to faulty PSU.

 

I did not bother selecting things like mouse pads, or wrist pads. Those are of personal preference and really doesn't impact computer performance.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($175.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card  ($353.98 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($53.87 @ Amazon) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill N900PCE 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($27.90 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z 144Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($279.00 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Genius SW-G2.1 70W 2.1ch Speakers  ($88.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1996.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-07 11:58 EDT-0400
 
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Edited by Buzzsaw, 07 July 2015 - 11:12 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 11:46 AM

Hello, your build (above) looks a lot like the one I just built my son.  The Benq monitor is great I like it a lot for the price I may get him a dual monitor setup for Christmas. 

 

Couple things.  You simply do not need 16GB of ram and for quad channel it would be better if you put 4x2GB for 8GB of ram.  Unless your planning on video editing.  16 is just overkill. (IMO)

 

I like quiet pc's so I went with the Antec HCG 750M with its big quiet fan (and this pc is indeed quiet)  (room to upgrade to a dual setup if needed) I also prefer semi modular as I feel the contacts are better (zero slippage) for the mainboard.

 

I went with the 212 EVO and I have plenty of arctic silver around. (heat the tube with hair dryer shake like theres no tomorrow and squirt it on with a coffee fllter wipe it off and apply again.  

 

Looks like you have a nice build going regardless.



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 03:10 PM

WOW!  Nice system!!  Except for the OS...
 

Wait until the 29th (of July) & build it w/ Windows 10 from the onset!!

I specifically picked Windows 7 because of its compatibility with older games. A lot of old games don't run properly on Windows 8.1, and 10 is too new that I wouldn't take the chance.

EVGA G2 750watts is sufficient for your build, but a lot people would choose 850 watts since a lot of graphics card today and future intend to use more watts. As for CPU cooler, well either both of them is fine but if you are going to choose Corsair, i highly suggest you buy a 3rd party thermal compound since Corsair using cheap preapply thermal compound. This happens to a lot of peoples were they CPU spike up to instance 90C due to bad thermal compound Corsair use, after they apply 3rd party thermal compound their CPU temperature drop from 90 to below 50C. Matter of fact, if you are not doing any type of video editing or editing software then an I5-4690k will do the job fine for gaming only. You only choose I7 CPU if you  planning to do video editing or editing software, because Hyperthreading technology from Intel will shows the I7 true potential, but for gaming is just completely overkill so it just up to you to decide. There's nothing wrong with an I7 for gaming, it's just majority of people and me thinking spend money on a hardware were you are not using all of its true potential power is just waste of money you know?.

I think I'll stick with the 750W since all of the wattage calculators say I barely go over 400W at the most. I'm not going to be assembling it myself, but I will make a note about the cooler. Actually, I will go with the i5. I guess the 4.0 Ghz of the i7 just sucked me in, but from what I've read the i5 is more widely suggested. Thanks, you just saved me $100.

You simply do not need 16GB of ram and for quad channel it would be better if you put 4x2GB for 8GB of ram.  Unless your planning on video editing.  16 is just overkill. (IMO)

The 16GB is for the future. Plus, I've seen a few games today that recommend 8GB already. 32GB is overkill right now.

Since you will not be overclocking, I selected an Intel Xeon E3 processor that has hyperthreading built-in. Xeon processors do run a lot cooler than Intel 4690k or the 4790k processors, thus a liquid based cooling systems is NOT necessary. 

 

The Xeon processor is plenty powerful for high end games and I selected a different GTX 970 based on better GPU cooling, which is essential for better graphic card performance.

Yes, there will be people commenting that Xeon processors are just for servers only. That's not true! Yes, a large majority of servers do use Xeon based processors, but it's not exclusive to servers. A lot of gaming computers do use Xeon processors due to their lower temperature range than Intel 'k' based processors.

 

I selected a Gigabyte Intel Z97 chipset motherboard due to very good quality and high reliability. With this motherboard, you can upgrade to an overclocked processor if your needs change in the future. 

 

I selected a XFX 850 watt PSU in case you do decide in the future to do a SLi setup. There won't be a need to buy another PSU in order to accommodate a 2nd GPU.

Oh, EVGA PSU are not very good quality power supply units. They use poor components during the manufacturing process, therefore, increasing the chance of an electrical and/or fire hazard. You do NOT want to lose your computer components due to faulty PSU.

 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($175.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card  ($353.98 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($53.87 @ Amazon) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill N900PCE 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($27.90 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z 144Hz 24.0" Monitor  ($279.00 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Genius SW-G2.1 70W 2.1ch Speakers  ($88.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1996.44

I think I'm just going to switch to the i5, and you kind of picked the same GPU I already had listed. I've also never read anything about EVGA's being a fire hazard. I've read about the more powerful ones being DOA, but that can happen with any PSU or any part for that matter. That's why you test them before you assemble everything. Sorry, but I'm not going to switch up over half of my setup, and I don't know why you changed things that were perfectly fine. I've already done enough research on everything that I'm not going to make drastic changes unless they're necessary, which they aren't.


Edited by rustyharp, 07 July 2015 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 04:41 PM

Okay, I've reworked a couple things. I changed the i7 to the i5, decided to go with the 750W, and decided to change to the Hyper 212 for its better reliability. PCPartPicker says the case and the cooler have an incompatibility, but all I'd have to do is remove the fan on the side panel. Plenty of people have these two together and have made it work.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NpxtFT

 

Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming Mid Tower Case
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K

Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO
GPU: MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB DDR3 1866
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Internal HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB
External HDD: Western Digital My Passport Ultra 2TB
Optical Drive: Asus 24x DVD Burner
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 750W
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 120mm
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Speakers: Bose Companion 2 Series III Multimedia Speakers

Headphones: Logitech G430 7.1 Surround Sound Gaming Headset
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS Poseidon Z Illuminated Keyboard w/Brown Switches
Mouse: Logitech G303 Daedalus Apex Performance Edition Gaming Mouse

 

For a total of approximately $2,100, give or take, I was able to save a couple hundred by changing the CPU, PSU and cooler.



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 05:12 PM

Rustysharp don't listen to buzzsaw about EVGA G2 bull crap, he don't know nothing about EVGA G2 PSU. EVGA,Corsair,Seasonic,and Superflower are only manufacturer that produce good quality PSU, while other it just crap specification and cheap bull leg components. My last PC i built were using cheap OEM 750W PSU, because i think all PSU looks the same there's nothing special about them, all they do is convert the 12V from your wall to sufficient energy to your PC hardwares, but i were wrong, the cheap 750W OEM PSU kill my entire computer and later on i find out that the components they use are horrible as i expected. That's why i went to EVGA, because reviews on the internet rated as tier 2 and with a score of 9.8. Don't trust me? I got a review of this PSU for you rustyhap in case you need to take a look of it, http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=380. Also, EVGA G2 PSU have special feature called " ECO Mode", this mode allow the PSU to shut it fan off if there's not too much heat in the PSU which is really great if noise is your biggest enemy. Matter of fact, EVGA G2 PSU come with 10 years warranty, 10 YEARS WARRANTY!. 

 

By the way, i find ASUS is more reliable than Gigabyte because their motherboard just too sexy compare to Gigabyte. Especially, they offer a high end water cooling motherboard that you can hook a water tube into the motherboard heatsink on their ULTIMATE Extreme OC motherboard. 

 

Here is the picture inside of EVGA G2 750W PSU.

 

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Edited by JerkyMcDilerino, 07 July 2015 - 05:31 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 06:01 PM

Rustysharp don't listen to buzzsaw about EVGA G2 bull crap, he don't know nothing about EVGA G2 PSU. EVGA,Corsair,Seasonic,and Superflower are only manufacturer that produce good quality PSU, while other it just crap specification and cheap bull leg components. My last PC i built were using cheap OEM 750W PSU, because i think all PSU looks the same there's nothing special about them, all they do is convert the 12V from your wall to sufficient energy to your PC hardwares, but i were wrong, the cheap 750W OEM PSU kill my entire computer and later on i find out that the components they use are horrible as i expected. That's why i went to EVGA, because reviews on the internet rated as tier 2 and with a score of 9.8. Don't trust me? I got a review of this PSU for you rustyhap in case you need to take a look of it, http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=380. Also, EVGA G2 PSU have special feature called " ECO Mode", this mode allow the PSU to shut it fan off if there's not too much heat in the PSU which is really great if noise is your biggest enemy. Matter of fact, EVGA G2 PSU come with 10 years warranty, 10 YEARS WARRANTY!. 

Yeah, I've seen that review and that's exactly why I'm getting it, plus the gold certification and 10-year warranty.



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 06:26 PM

If you are going w/ 16GB RAM can you use 2x8?  Would be better than 1x16



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 07:09 PM

If you are going w/ 16GB RAM can you use 2x8?  Would be better than 1x16

Let me ask you this, are you trolling or serious about your question?

I doubt millions people will facepalm themself when they read your question.

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 07:21 PM

If you are going w/ 16GB RAM can you use 2x8?  Would be better than 1x16

Seriously? If you followed the link on my first post, it clearly links to two 8GB modules.



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 07:34 PM

 

If you are going w/ 16GB RAM can you use 2x8?  Would be better than 1x16

Seriously? If you followed the link on my first post, it clearly links to two 8GB modules.

 

Ok, I'm busy helping someone, guess I misread. No need to be nasty.  I will step away. Good if it's a pair as it should be.



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 07:49 PM



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I think I'm just going to switch to the i5, and you kind of picked the same GPU I already had listed. I've also never read anything about EVGA's being a fire hazard. I've read about the more powerful ones being DOA, but that can happen with any PSU or any part for that matter. That's why you test them before you assemble everything. Sorry, but I'm not going to switch up over half of my setup, and I don't know why you changed things that were perfectly fine. I've already done enough research on everything that I'm not going to make drastic changes unless they're necessary, which they aren't.

 

 

I don't know why you jumped on my case about making changes. 

 

You wanted opinions, therefore, I gave you mine.

 

I've been building computers for 20+ years and I think that qualifies me to know a thing or two.

 

Have a nice day!

 

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Rustysharp don't listen to buzzsaw about EVGA G2 bull crap, he don't know nothing about EVGA G2 PSU. EVGA,Corsair,Seasonic,and Superflower are only manufacturer that produce good quality PSU, while other it just crap specification and cheap bull leg components. My last PC i built were using cheap OEM 750W PSU, because i think all PSU looks the same there's nothing special about them, all they do is convert the 12V from your wall to sufficient energy to your PC hardwares, but i were wrong, the cheap 750W OEM PSU kill my entire computer and later on i find out that the components they use are horrible as i expected. That's why i went to EVGA, because reviews on the internet rated as tier 2 and with a score of 9.8. Don't trust me? I got a review of this PSU for you rustyhap in case you need to take a look of it, http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=380. Also, EVGA G2 PSU have special feature called " ECO Mode", this mode allow the PSU to shut it fan off if there's not too much heat in the PSU which is really great if noise is your biggest enemy. Matter of fact, EVGA G2 PSU come with 10 years warranty, 10 YEARS WARRANTY!. 

Yeah, I've seen that review and that's exactly why I'm getting it, plus the gold certification and 10-year warranty.

 

 

Question for you...

 

Do you honestly think you will keep that same computer for the next 10 years?

 

If no... then a 10 year warranty for a power supply unit is a waste of money.

10 years from now, you will see a totally different computers than today. 

 

 

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