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#1 Monkeysaur

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 08:04 AM

Hi,

I'm not very technical in this regard so any help would be appreciated.

 

Basically I have picked up a pretty cheap PC but it's not really performing to the level I had hoped so I want to improve it, and I am hoping that I only need to improve the GPU. I am aware though that my motherboard and processor may be limited in what kind of GPU they can deal with, and so this is what I was hoping for some advice about.

 

The system as it comes is:

 

AMD FX 4300 processor (3.8 GHz, 4 MB cache)

 

GIGABYTE Motherboard GA-78lmt-usb3

 

8 GB DDR3

 

AMD Radeon R7 250 (1 GB GDDR5)

 

So what I am wondering is, can I get a high quality card to use with this system to replace the R7 250? What are my limitations?

 

Are the motherboard or CPU holding me back?

 

Thanks for your help.



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 08:43 AM

Your cpu and motherboard should be ok for most games. The item that may hold you back is your power supply. Do you know the brand, and the wattage?

 

Another thing we need to know is your budget and what you plan on doing with a new video card, games, 3d cad, etc?


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 08:54 AM

Your cpu and motherboard should be ok for most games. The item that may hold you back is your power supply. Do you know the brand, and the wattage?

 

Another thing we need to know is your budget and what you plan on doing with a new video card, games, 3d cad, etc?

 

Thanks for the reply!

 

What I can see is:

 

CIT Active 85 - Switching Power Supply

 

Model: ATV 500W

 

I want to use it for games mostly.

 

& I am curious about what my CPU/PSU can actually handle regardless of price, for this upgrade I will probably be able to spend £80-150.

 

Thanks again for your help.


Edited by Monkeysaur, 20 March 2015 - 08:58 AM.


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:08 AM

Technically the motherboard and cpu could handle any gpu available. You may start to see bottlenecks with something like the 970 or 980 from nvidia and possibly the 280x or 290x from AMD. You would need a bigger psu for the 280x, 290x, and the 980 video cards. For cpu bottlenecks it really would depend on the game. Some games are more cpu heavy such as GTA4.

 

Cards that I would recommend for you:

 

$159 750ti (Nvidia) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487028&cm_re=750_ti-_-14-487-028-_-Product

 

$209 960 (Nvidia) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

 

$164 R9 270 (AMD) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121823&cm_re=amd_270-_-14-121-823-_-Product

 

If you can manage to get a 970 you really can't go wrong, you would be pushing your psu to near it's limits: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487076&cm_re=970-_-14-487-076-_-Product

 

As of late I have been recommending the nvidia 900 series due to the low power consumption and high performance. I go either way, nvidia or amd, which ever is better at the time.

 

Your limiting factors are your power supply and your cpu. Double check that you have the correct power connectors for any video card you purchase.


Edited by zingo156, 20 March 2015 - 09:20 AM.

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:11 AM

Here are some benchmarks to compare your current card against some I have recommended:

 

your card vs 750: http://www.hwcompare.com/17104/geforce-gtx-750-vs-radeon-r7-250/

 

your card vs 960 http://www.hwcompare.com/18420/geforce-gtx-960-vs-radeon-r7-250/

 

If you can afford the 960 or 970 those are the 2 I recommend the most currently. With the 980 you might need a bigger psu...


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:41 AM

Here are some benchmarks to compare your current card against some I have recommended:

 

your card vs 750: http://www.hwcompare.com/17104/geforce-gtx-750-vs-radeon-r7-250/

 

your card vs 960 http://www.hwcompare.com/18420/geforce-gtx-960-vs-radeon-r7-250/

 

If you can afford the 960 or 970 those are the 2 I recommend the most currently. With the 980 you might need a bigger psu...

 

Thanks for this.

 

The 960 looks good, I'll probably go for that. Decent price too.

 

Two I had been looking at before your recommended those are:

 

http://www.hwcompare.com/15311/geforce-gtx-760-vs-radeon-r7-250/

 

http://www.hwcompare.com/18039/geforce-gtx-970-vs-radeon-r7-250/

 

I notice that they both use significantly more power than the 750/960. Is that a problem for me? Is there anything I have missed about these two? Obviously they are pretty expensive, but would they work with my mobo & CPU?

 

When you say double check I have the correct power connections, do you know what power connections I have? Sorry I'm pretty simple on this.

 

Thanks again for your help.


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:49 AM

All of the cards will work with your cpu and motherboard.

 

The 760 is an older chipset than the 960. It does use more power and has slightly less performance than the 960. So get the 960 if you can swing it.

 

The 970 is quite a bit more powerful than the 960 and does use more power. I believe the 970 would be pushing your power supply to it's limit. It may work but the higher the load on the psu, the shorter the lifespan.

 

The cpu and motherboard will work with a 970 but you may see a bottleneck in certain games which are more cpu heavy.

 

Overall the 960 is budget friendly, power efficient, and a decent overall card.

 

If you want to go up in performance consider the 970 but know that your hardware will be more stressed and you may limit the cards overall performance with your current cpu.


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:51 AM

All of the cards will work with your cpu and motherboard.

 

The 760 is an older chipset than the 960. It does use more power and has slightly less performance than the 960. So get the 960 if you can swing it.

 

The 970 is quite a bit more powerful than the 960 and does use more power. I believe the 970 would be pushing your power supply to it's limit. It may work but the higher the load on the psu, the shorter the lifespan.

 

The cpu and motherboard will work with a 970 but you may see a bottleneck in certain games which are more cpu heavy.

 

Overall the 960 is budget friendly, power efficient, and a decent overall card.

 

If you want to go up in performance consider the 970 but know that your hardware will be more stressed and you may limit the cards overall performance with your current cpu.

 

Great stuff, thanks so much!

 

The 960 it is!



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:54 AM

I also recommend shopping around for the bet deal, newegg, tigerdirect, amazon, any website you are familiar with. I noticed you can get the STRIX 960 (asus) for $204 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121913&cm_sp=Homepage_FDD-_-P1_14-121-913-_-03202015


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:56 AM

Does it matter which one I get?

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Nvidia-960-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B00SKTY6PS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426863198&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+960

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Nvidia-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/dp/B00SKWIISQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1426863198&sr=8-2&keywords=gtx+960

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Palit-Nvidia-GeForce-Graphic-Express/dp/B00SL8WFUQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1426863198&sr=8-3&keywords=gtx+960

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Nvidia-Gaming-PCI-E-Graphics/dp/B00SKSXVLE/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1426863198&sr=8-9&keywords=gtx+960

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-Nvidiia-GTX960-Graphics-GDDR5/dp/B00SLH1TFY/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1426863198&sr=8-12&keywords=gtx+960



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:00 AM

I have not heard of the Palit brand before. The others should be fine. I would go with the Asus, MSI, or EVGA versions myself. EVGA has a good warranty and customer service.


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:09 AM

Double check with the version 960 you purchase that your psu has the correct connectors, most 960's I have seen have 1 6pin pci-e connector.

 

From what I could find your power supply will work with a single 6pin pci-e connector card:

 

20+4 Pin Main Connectors: 1
4+4 Pin 12V Connectors: 1
8-Pin 12V Connectors: 1
SATA Connectors: 4
4-Pin Molex Connectors: 3
6-Pin PCI-e Connectors: 1
Floppy Drive Connectors: 1


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:27 AM

I have not heard of the Palit brand before. The others should be fine. I would go with the Asus, MSI, or EVGA versions myself. EVGA has a good warranty and customer service.

 

Thanks, think I'm going to go with the Asus. :)



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:35 AM

 

I have not heard of the Palit brand before. The others should be fine. I would go with the Asus, MSI, or EVGA versions myself. EVGA has a good warranty and customer service.

 

Thanks, think I'm going to go with the Asus. :)

 

Sounds good, happy computing.

 

Quick side note: that psu is not a brand I recognize but it does have a single 12v rail which is good. I doubt it would run a 970 but the 960 should work fine. 


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 10:50 AM

 

 

I have not heard of the Palit brand before. The others should be fine. I would go with the Asus, MSI, or EVGA versions myself. EVGA has a good warranty and customer service.

 

Thanks, think I'm going to go with the Asus. :)

 

Sounds good, happy computing.

 

Quick side note: that psu is not a brand I recognize but it does have a single 12v rail which is good. I doubt it would run a 970 but the 960 should work fine. 

 

 

Thanks, I noticed this on Amazon:

 

Q: This card Will take up 2 PCI slots

 

A;  Aslong as there is a 16x PCIE slot on the motherboard, there is nothing to worry about, it'll plug into one slot but it takes space for two on both the Motherboard and the casing

 

So it says I have 6-Pin PCI-e Connectors: 1  in your post above,

 

I gather it's basically a big card, but will my connecions work?


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