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#1 bmike1

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 03:05 PM

Okay
hey.... I found the system monitor. you were correct; the cpu runs at about 50% until I start running a video. At that point usage spikes to 100%. I guess I will need to get a video card with gpu. Can anyone recommend a low-profile card (I think that is what I need).
 
okay... I looked on ebay and I see one:
 

 

Okay, I start a video with VLC audio is normal but the video is jumpy. I was advised to run a system monitor and to see what the CPU usage is like.  the cpu runs at about 50% until I start running a video. At that point usage spikes to 100%. So I guess I need a new card. I found two on ebay that will probably work on my computer:

 


2GB Dell Dimension C521 9200c 5100c XPS 200 210 Low Profile Slim PC Video Card
 
for over $60 and another:
 
 
for under $25. As you can tell I'm not a gamer so I bet the cheaper one is good enough.
 
the current videos info (obtained with lspci) is
 
00:00.0 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.6 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
00:00.7 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
00:02.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:03.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:04.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE] (rev a2)
00:09.0 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 ISA bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge (rev a3)
00:0a.1 SMBus: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 SMBus (rev a3)
00:0a.2 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a3)
00:0b.0 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0b.1 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0e.0 IDE interface: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1)
00:0f.0 IDE interface: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev a1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:10.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
 
So is the cheaper product good enough?
 

 


A/V Software? I don't need A/V software. I've run Linux since '98 w/o A/V software and have never had a virus. I never even had a firewall until '01 when I began to get routers with firewalls pre installed. With Linux if a vulnerability is detected a fix is quickly found and then upon your next update the vulnerability is patched.  If you must worry about viruses  on a Linux system only worry about them in the sense that you can infect a windows user. I recommend Linux Mint or, if you need a lighter weight operating system that fits on a cd, MX14 or AntiX.


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 05:58 PM

Okay, I start a video with VLC audio is normal but the video is jumpy. I was advised to run a system monitor and to see what the CPU usage is like. the cpu runs at about 50%


What are the top running processes with the system monitor open and the CPU at 50%?

The cheaper card has the same 256MB of RAM that my video card has, and I would think it will be more than capable of running vlc.

Another option might be to try an older version of vlc. An older version I have that comes with Lucid Puppy 5.2.8.6, plays anything I throw at it on full screen, smoothly, on my old laptop which has integrated VIA graphics, 768MB of RAM, and a single core AMD Sempron 3000+ CPU.

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 07:01 PM

well.... I got it now running at about 30% with caja, mate terminal, system monitor, and chrome running. if I move the mouse rapidly I can get it to peak to 69% but generally stays at about 30. 'top' says:

 

  PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND      
 1489 root      20   0  272000  87204  30944 R 12.3  2.2   1:48.49 Xorg         
 4677 bmike1    20   0  508904  29060  18832 S  5.0  0.7   0:09.76 gnome-syste+ 
 2964 bmike1    20   0 1030472 254724  28924 S  2.7  6.4  10:48.96 chrome       
 2571 bmike1    20   0 1656400 142484  55976 S  2.3  3.6  10:01.57 chrome       
 2958 bmike1    20   0  977920 196752  27332 S  2.0  4.9  13:32.52 chrome       
 4656 bmike1    20   0  805944 118872  29556 S  1.3  3.0   0:07.69 chrome       
 2952 bmike1    20   0  834636 110068  27940 S  1.0  2.8   4:43.32 chrome       
 4635 bmike1    20   0  800272  83440  26876 S  0.7  2.1   0:20.65 chrome       
 1530 mysql     20   0  558372  50512   6760 S  0.3  1.3   0:19.30 mysqld       
 2988 bmike1    20   0  838244 110588  26380 S  0.3  2.8   1:12.55 chrome       
 4650 root      20   0       0      0      0 S  0.3  0.0   0:00.37 kworker/0:0  
 4683 bmike1    20   0  680236  15428  11200 S  0.3  0.4   0:00.36 mate-termin+ 
 4727 bmike1    20   0   24952   1624   1124 R  0.3  0.0   0:00.02 top          
    1 root      20   0   33780   3104   1436 S  0.0  0.1   0:02.06 init         
    2 root      20   0       0      0      0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd     
    3 root      20   0       0      0      0 S  0.0  0.0   0:02.27 ksoftirqd/0  
    5 root       0 -20       0      0      0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kworker/0:0H 

Edited by bmike1, 06 January 2015 - 07:22 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 07:03 PM

 

Another option might be to try an older version of vlc. An older version I have that comes with Lucid Puppy 5.2.8.6, plays anything I throw at it on full screen, smoothly, on my old laptop which has integrated VIA graphics, 768MB of RAM, and a single core AMD Sempron 3000+ CPU.

 

Thanks for the suggestion. What version of vlc is that?


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:11 AM

It's called vlc-1.1.10-i686-lucid525 and can be downloaded from here.

I'm not sure if it would work with Mint or *buntu etc as it's a .pet package, and I've only ever seen them used with Puppy. Going by its name, I suspect it might have been compiled specifically for Lucid Puppy too.

But it would be easy enough to make a multi-session Puppy CD and install it to that, then use it that way. :)

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:20 AM

well.... I got it now running at about 30% with caja, mate terminal, system monitor, and chrome running. if I move the mouse rapidly I can get it to peak to 69% but generally stays at about 30. 'top' says:


That's certainly better than what you had before. I wondered if Mint system monitor and Xorg/graphics-to-run-Mint-system-monitor would be the top running processes.

Mint System monitor must have been designed for Super Computers. :)

Edited by Al1000, 07 January 2015 - 04:21 AM.


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:24 AM

does anyone know of an email address I could use to contact puppy  to get the source code to vlc-1.1.10-i686-lucid525  and then compile it myself?


A/V Software? I don't need A/V software. I've run Linux since '98 w/o A/V software and have never had a virus. I never even had a firewall until '01 when I began to get routers with firewalls pre installed. With Linux if a vulnerability is detected a fix is quickly found and then upon your next update the vulnerability is patched.  If you must worry about viruses  on a Linux system only worry about them in the sense that you can infect a windows user. I recommend Linux Mint or, if you need a lighter weight operating system that fits on a cd, MX14 or AntiX.


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:34 AM

rerwin on the Puppy forum would be the person to contact, as he seems to compile most of the stuff for Lucid Puppy.

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:17 PM

I can't register on puppy (stupid captcha). could someone get the source-code for me? The code should be on the site somewhere.


Edited by bmike1, 07 January 2015 - 04:19 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:37 PM

This might work.

wget 'http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/1.1.9/vlc-1.1.9.tar.bz2'


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:02 AM

bmike, there's a much better GPU on the same page as the DMS-59 one, it was right beneath it for the same price. 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Dell-Nvidia-Quadro-FX570-PCI-E-DDR2-Dual-DVI-256MB-Video-Graphics-Card-WX397/231383433411?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D64092333cea14338b047946c184a51e3%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D390862072279&rt=nc

 

NEW Dell Nvidia Quadro FX570 PCI-E DDR2 Dual DVI 256MB Video Graphics Card WX39

 

Those DMS-59 cards were going out as mainstream, before I ever cracked open my first PC case. The last & only that I had was on a 2003/04 model Gateway, with an adapter, it would support 2 VGA monitors, another option was a DVI adapter (the one I used). Somewhere in my collection of early to mid 2000's gadgets, including cell phone chargers, S-Video cables & other junk, one of those DMS-59 to 2 VGA connectors are laying around. 

 

That Dell nVIDIA card, the very same one, I've installed on many later model XP computers, not too old. Some were Vista downgrades to XP Pro. Plus legacy nVIDIA drivers are a download away, or one can use the older Dell version. Some wants the Dell driver for best compatibility. 10 minute install, with prep taking more time than installing the card. 

 

Normally the 1st action is blowing the multi coats of dust & cobwebs out of the way :P, so that the rest of the work could be completed. 

 

Just wanted to let you know that's a better option than a card you'll have to find adapters for, and is an overall better card. Of course the 2GiB you linked (there's also a 1GiB version for less) with HDMI is the best option, and 10+ more years in tune with the times, at least you can connect your computer to a modern TV & use as a monitor, if desired. Most all HDTV's now have HDMI ports, some 3 or 4 of them. 

 

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:30 AM

 

so puppy didn't modify their version of vlc 1.1.9 any?


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:34 AM

I would guess someone modified it for Puppy. There's a link to older versions of vlc media player on this page: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-sources.html

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:38 AM

Well, I tried compiling it for my computer.

Here is what I did:

 
 
  427  tar -xjf vlc-1.1.10.tar.bz2 
  428  ls
  429  cd vlc-1.1.10/
--edit--
  433  ./configure
configure: error: Couldn't find DBus >= 1.0.0, install libdbus-dev ?
  435  sudo apt-get install libdbus-dev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package libdbus-dev
(after searching for how to install the program found that installing libhal-dev also installs libdbus-dev)
  436  sudo apt-get install libhal-dev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package libhal-dev
  437  sudo dpkg -i libdbus-dev
dpkg: error processing archive libdbus-dev (--install): 
cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
libdbus-dev
--edit--
  439  sudo dpkg --install  libhal-dev
dpkg: error processing archive libhal-dev (--install):
cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
libhal-dev
  440  history
 
anyone with any experience with this?
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Edited by bmike1, 08 January 2015 - 02:59 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:52 PM

I just had a look in Synaptic Package Manager and libhal-dev version 0.5.14-8 is there, if that's any use.




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