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#1 rp88

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 02:25 PM

This should be in a general windows forum, but there isn't one so i have put it into the windows 8 section. I didn't think it would last long in general chat and couldn't put it in news.



Ok, so recently we have been reminded by events (several different types of severe crashes caused in august by dodgy updates, and sneaky attempts by microsoft to push 8.1 updates) that updates, critical as some of them may be, shouldn't be blindly and instantly installed. I have started this thread in the hope it will be continued as a list of updates as, or shortly after, they come out where users can report compatibility problems, severe problems, sneaky tactics, other problems, badly done coding (for anyone who can understand it), crashes or othr issues experinced after installing updates. Ideally reports would have certainty as to WHICH (because updates usualy come in bunches) update caused what issue/ did what/ added what "feature"/"flaw" / wrecked which third party software program /etc /etc. Because with the way microsoft provides it's information on these matters it can be extremely cryptic and it is clear that when they make mistakes/try dirty tactics thye do not want to tell the world that they have just done it. I don't know if any other websites, forum threads are currently giving user reports of what updates are doing (as shortly after the update's release as possible) but i think it would be a very benficial thing to start. Ofcourse it would cover updates to every and all windows product, and probably back date the honest reports for several months into the past as well (because many users don't get offered some updates until ages after the release date when most got it).

Go on report YOUR experiences...

and no rants or arguments please, just reports

Edited by rp88, 14 October 2014 - 02:26 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 05:16 PM

Well has anyone thought about this?
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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:32 PM

yep. here's a thread I started:  http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/550158/cant-load-windows-81/page-2



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:33 PM

basically, after I upgraded to 8.1 I started having issues. and I don't want to go in there and look to see that it's still hanging...I had to restart due to an update.....

 

what do you think? should I just shut it down and keep turning it on like I have? (more at the link to my thread.....)



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Posted 11 November 2014 - 05:40 PM

A new load of updates came out today, anyone had problems yet? On windows 8 there are 24 or so important ones, including many for patching the microsoft office programs (word, publisher,powerpoint,excel). As far as the summaries of what the updates which a user sees in the "windows update" section of "control panel" they are very vague, the text describing every single one of them saying exactly the same thing except for the bit saying which product the update is for. The windows site may have more detail, i haven't read through them all yet. One has to wonder if employees of certain tech companies from betting pools based on "how many windows users that we know/work with will have a problem caused by this latest update". Once again it's the nasty matter of trying to work out how the risk of being not fully up to date for a few days compares with the risk of updates causing crashes, time (and a quick count of thread titles in the windows sections of this forum) will probably tell. If you've updated already and had a crash, report it. if you've updated and now windows 8 is trying to force upgrade to 8.1, report it. if you've updated and you can't boot up, report it. if you've updated and one of the updates failed but others worked, report it. if you've updated and it all went fine, report that too. it's all worth knowing.

Once again, reports please, not arguments.

Edited by rp88, 11 November 2014 - 05:45 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 12:34 PM

Heard rumours on the bbc news website that some of these microsoft windows updates are "critical" level, i'm going ahead and installing most(21 out of 24) of the updates which have been offered to me this tuesday. I will report how they go once they are finished. I'll also report excatly which 21 from the 24 were installed.
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Posted 12 November 2014 - 02:28 PM

None of the following updates caused a severe crash upon installation, i was able to boot up normally after installation and restarted the computer several times afterwards, each time it turned on fine. The computer in question is a windows 8 64 bit machine, i cannot report whether any of the updates have messed anything up or tried forcing an upgrade to 8.1 because they have only been on this machine for an hour or so.


KB2889828

KB2899521

KB2687275

KB3005607

KB2976536

KB3006226

KB3002885

KB2978121

KB3008627

KB3003743

KB2992611

KB2589386

KB2878251

KB2889935

KB890830

KB3010788

KB2837602

KB2993958

KB2978127

KB3004150

KB3003057

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 05:04 PM

A new, and rather important one (i have heard) just came out. It is marked as critical and is a security update. on windows 8 it appeared as KB3011780 . I have just installed it and got some minor crashes, it seemed to install fine and the computer restarted but then when i logged on i spent ages watching the little bleeping circle whirling round until i realised i had to "hard restart" with the powr button. After that i restarted and shut down and turned it back on a few times and was then able to boot up and login without trouble, the update appeared to have installed. I can't yet say for certain if this has any 8.1 related "dirty tricks" bundled into this update but i doubt it in a security one, it shoudln't but i won't know for sure until a few weeks have passed. I would advise installing this update but make sure you have a working system image just incase it goes wrong. as ever my specifications are windows 8, 64 bit, avg as antivirus, toshiba laptop. I'm glad microsoft released this on a tuesday, i make a point of always checking for updates on that day of the week.
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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:23 PM

new update available for windows 8 64 bit today KB3018943, an update for internet explorer flash player. I don't use IE EVER, so should be safe but i'm going to install that one as soon as i've given a few days for any bugs to become known about. Bizzarely the "more information" "link" from within windows update leads to a microsoft kb support page which says "the page you are looking for has been moved", i don't know if this means windows has tried to quickly pull this update due to a bug or whether it's just an error on their site.

Update on this matter:The windows support page for the KB3018943 update is still an "Oops!
The page you are looking for may have a new location, or is no longer available.". There is also another update released, this other one is KB3000853. It is classed as a "recommended" update rather than an "important" one and doesn't seem to have any security components involved. I haven't downloaded either of these two just yet. I am not sure whether KB3000853 is related to the update which has caused chaos for users of Avast antivirus. the names are pretty similar so i wonder if 3000853 was a re-release by microsoft after they realised what 3000850 had done, though the updates could be both utterly unrelated.

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 02:28 PM

Another post on the matter of KB3018943...


Just installed it now, didn't even want me to restart afterwards. Seems safe from bugs and doesn't seem to be one of those sneaky "forced upgrade to 8.1" updates. From what i can find about the update it was microsoft's answer to the recent security flaw found in flash player, anyone using chrome or firefox might have already updated flash for those and it seems this is how microsoft is bringing the security level of flash player in IE closer to that of flash player in firefox or chrome, i think that this update might infact be the same thing, only altered for patching the hole in the internet explorer version of flash player (because i think windows 8 computers have flash built in by default). I would suggest that having been a week for any crashes to be reported (and i don't think any have) and that the description page having appeared it should now be safe to run this update.


I would edit my last post and drop this into it as a note but i can't edit posts that old. If you want to reply to this you should probably do it on the thread specifically about KB3018943 but i thought i should include the same information on this thread for completeness in this list of my experiences (and hopefully other poeple's).

Edited by rp88, 02 December 2014 - 02:28 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 11:47 AM

Unusual "dissappearance" of updates...


So being a tuesday i checked for updates and found that where yesterday i was being offered 3 important and 3 reccommended updates now i am only offered two important and two reccommended updates.
The updates i WAS being offered were:
KB3000853(recommended)
KB2995387(important)
KB2976978(important)
KB3003663(important)
And the other two reccommended ones were a printer update and wireless network adapter update
Now i am only offered
KB3003663(important)
KB2995387(important)
And still the printer and wireless adpater ones as reccommended.
So it seems KB2976978 and KB3000853 are no longer being offered, but i didn't install either of them so i'm wondering why they just dissappeared from the list of available updates not yet downloaded. I'm wondering why.

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 10:55 AM

A HUGE number of updates came out late last night, i detected them when i logged on today. Installing the ones marked as "security update" immediately, along with the ones for ms office. The "Update for windows 8 x64 based systems" update swill have to wait a while to see if any problems emerge with them, either issue with crashes or with MS forcing "upgrade" to 8.1 . There's alos one optional one which came out last night, i'll have to look a bit mroe into what it is. One of the security ones this time sounds particularly important, KB3013126 because this seems to offer protection against an attack type that can come THROUGH JPEG IMAGES!

EXTRA NOTE: in light of the fact that this load of updates were released quite late at night (i didn't se them until this wednesday morning) i am changing MY PERSONAL ADVICE to users, don't just check on tuesday night, check on wednesday morning aswell. It takes 5 minutes and you can do something else either on the computer or away from it whilst you check for updates. The sooner you are aware of an update the better and the more time you have to weigh up pros and cons before installation, because a SMALL minority of updates do more harm than good so it is important to know what updates are before you install them. I leave my system on "check automatically but let me choose when to download and install" but just incase automatic checks don't find things it makes sense to manually check aswell, tuesday and wednesday now.

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 11:56 AM

Just installed 17 of the 23 important updates, the ms office ones and the ones labelled as security updates, I have not had any crashes from them and have restarted several times since installation with no trouble. I haven't yet verified that all my programs are still working fine, but i expect they are. Also it hasn't been long enough since update to verify whether any of these updates contain sneaky attempts to "upgrade" me to 8.1 . The list below shows which updates i have just applied and had no problem (yet) from:


KB3008925
KB2910899
KB890830
KB2883019
KB2910896
KB3008923
KB2889818
KB3013126
KB2553154
KB2899519
KB2597088
KB2553140
KB2910902
KB2880517
KB3003057
KB2597089
there should be 17 in this list but looking through my update history i only find these 16 updates with today as the instalaton date, i don't remember which the 17th was but i can't find it listed. I know there were 23 offered though and that 6 of them i haven't installed yet.

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 04:02 PM

KB3004394 was amongst the six i hadn't tried to install yet. that 17th one i had chosen to install but which didn't install crtainly wasn't it, but i can't find which it was. Funnily enough KB3004394 is still offering itself to me after checking for updates just now, microsoft may have pulled it for some computers but perhaps it's still on offer to users of windows 8 machines?
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