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Graphics Card Upgrade Dell Inspiron 3847


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#1 Mr_Shackleheart

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 09:25 PM

Hello, I just recently purchased a new Dell Inspiron 3847 desktop from Staples (got a good deal), and am hoping to turn it into a decent gaming computer. I am more than pleased with all of the system's specs (hence why I bought it) except for the intel integrated hd 4600 graphics just isn't going to cut it. The PSU is only 300watts, so I definitely am planning to upgrade to 500watts. All I need to know is which graphics card would give me the best value, and allow me to play games (ARMA, Day-Z, Skyrim, sports games) at pretty high settings with good fps. For the PSU and GPU I would like to keep it under $200, however if you think it is necessary to spend a little more to get the best bang for my buck I will definitely considering going above the price range. This is my first gaming pc so I have little knowledge about this, which is why I am asking. Thanks in advance!

 

 

System Specs:

Operating System
Windows 8.1 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i5 4440 @ 3.10GHz 29 °C
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)
Motherboard
Dell Inc. 088DT1 (CPU 1) 28 °C
Graphics
S24C230 (1920x1080@60Hz)
Intel HD Graphics 4600 (Dell)
Storage
931GB Seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (SATA) 34 °C
Optical Drives
MATbleepA DVD+-RW SW830
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 10:35 PM

nice PC bundle there (except the PSU, of course).

 

there is the gtx 760 or the r9 285 that will pretty much tango with any game existing. but those two are around $250 and then the power supply to run them is another expense. i would guess they would need a good 650 watt corsair.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#sort=a8&c=142,182

 

then there is the OEM PSU friendly gtx 750ti, they are just shy of the stalwart gtx 660 or r9-270 in potency  you could use the feable 300w for one of those and keep the budget simple. they run around $150

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#sort=a8&c=164


Edited by synergy513, 16 September 2014 - 10:40 PM.

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 10:46 PM

There's a thread here that suggests that the PC takes a standard ATX power supply, so that is good.  Also note the comments about limited clearance for video cards, so you won't be able to fit longer cards into the case.  Check the clearance yourself by measuring before making any purchase.

 

The GTX 750 Ti suggested already is not a long card, but some of the GTX 760 or AMD R9-28x cards are very long and probably won't fit (they are likely over budget anyway once the PSU is considered).


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:01 AM

Would it be worth it to spend the extra money now and get the better graphics card and psu, or should I just buy the cheaper one? I would prefer to not make many future upgrades, so I don't want to buy the cheaper card only to find out that it can't run high end games and I'll have to buy another one and psu later on. So if the cheaper one can handle most games then I'd get that. If not, then should I just upgrade psu and to better Gpu now?

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:07 PM

a nice corsair power supply is a  a great investment. it is something that is the foundation to a performance PC and will not limit you in the future with this PC or aother one in the future.  the 650 watt line-up is a good mix of value and performance.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/power-supply/#m=11&sort=a9&W=650

 

the first thing i think about when it comes to money spent on a PC is the CPU. if you have the good stuff there, then spending money around it isn't so bad. the I5 is a great CPU and will be for quite some time . so investing around it isn't a bad thing.

 

in that realm of PCs,  what seems like a sound investment now is going to be sqandered investment 6 months later.  the gtx 750 ti is quite capable and serves its market segment well,  low power consumption with astonishing performance. it is a sound investment.

 

but the gtx 760 or r9 285 will be the best ones to buy if you really don't want to look back, there are better GPU available , but they start getting irrationally expensive after that and what you get in return isn't that much better for the funds spent. it is called diminishing returns

 

the gtx 970s and 980s will be released shortly, and that is going to shake up the market. after that happens, the AMD cards  and previous generation Nvidia cards will be the best way to go . there is another player in the  market, the bitcoin users will be buying  those 970s and 980s in a fevered pitch, so the AMD cards will get more attractive and the previous generation (Kepler) Nvidia cards will also

 

as mentioned above, the 760s and r9 285s are considerable length, so measure your case space for clearance and ponder the removal of the traverse hard drive bays if you go that route.


Edited by synergy513, 17 September 2014 - 03:14 PM.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:32 PM

looking at other forums, I found that the max length GPU that will fit into my desktop is about 10 inches. Will the gtx 760 and r9 285 fit that? Also, will one of these two graphics cards along with a new power supply allow me to tackle any game at high settings? Between the 2 graphics cards which one would you recommend more? Sorry for all the questions. I'm new to the computer scene and have no knowledge of graphics cards. Thanks for all the help!



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:39 PM

I forgot to mention that because I bought the computer from Staples, they are giving me 20% all computer accessories for the next 2 weeks. So the other parts you recommended might fall into my range or slightly above it

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:40 PM

 that segment is a weird one. some of those cards are a mere 7 inches long, some of them around 11. some of them have the PCI plugs on the end, some on the side. i will check into it further.

 

different games have different pipelines.  i mean if you really want to go all in and have hardware that hits the limit of capability, there is the gtx 780ti and r9 290x but those are twice the expense of the 760 or r9 285 and marginally better.   link:

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#sort=a8&c=153,146

 

 

or you can double up the cards in SLI or Crossfire, but some games aren't optimized for that config so i generally don't recommend it

 

i don't think staples will be carrying the power supplies or performance grade cards, although i could be wrong. they might carry those sweet solid state drives though. that is another sound investment


Edited by synergy513, 17 September 2014 - 03:58 PM.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 07:42 PM

I talked to the representative at staples and she said that they dont carry those parts in store but I can order them online through staples's website and get 20% off...

I probably don't need to get the gtx 780 ti. I'm not a super hard core gamer, so I guess I just need something to play most games in 1080p with at least 50fps and higher end games at maybe 35-40fps.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:14 PM

excellent.  i am looking it up now on the staples site....

 

i saw these two 760s:

 

http://www.staples.com/PNY-GeForce-GTX-760-XLR8-2GB-Graphics-Card/product_522590

 

http://www.staples.com/Asus-GeForce-GTX-760-2GB-Plug-in-Graphic-Card/product_IM1RV5291

 

this one looks rather short, barely longer than the PCI slot it looks like:

 

http://www.staples.com/Zotac-GeForce-GTX-760-Plug-in-Card-Graphic-Card/product_IM1RA2782

 

i didn't see the 285 on there though. there is the r9 280x which is in the same segment, it has been out longer and is probably more available


Edited by synergy513, 17 September 2014 - 08:42 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 07:59 AM

So the GTX 760 is looking like my bet option. At $270 it's a little more than I planned to spend, but with the 20% discount it should come to around $216. Not a bad price I don't think. What should I do as far as a PSU goes? I was thinking around 500watts should be enough

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 04:11 PM

i wouldn't recommend a 500 watt. reason being  the typical  12v rail in that segment is under 40 amps . for only a few bucks more, the 650 watt line up with a healthy 54 amp 12v rail would be more appropriate. the modular types are real nice, you only use the cables you need to avoid clutter

 

http://www.staples.com/Corsair-RM-ATX12V-and-EPS12V-Power-Supply-650-W/product_IM1TH4917


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 07:07 PM

Would a 600watt psu be enough? something like this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438014&cm_re=600w_psu-_-17-438-014-_-Product

By the way, I was looking at graphics cards on newegg and they are about the same price as staples is after the 20% discount.



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 10:42 PM

i guess that would be ok. 49 amps should be adequate. the thing is, those two PCI plugs supplying the gtx 760, those are 12v, and you are going to be using two of them, so the amp rating on the 12v can't be inefficient or it will cause all kinds of obscure problems. sometimes you will see OEM cards absolutely specifying 12v amps ratings, this is why.

 

if you do go with the 650w/54a 12v, this will eliminate most of the guesswork on down the road if problems occur. for just a few bucks more, but it is a judgement call for the user themselves ultimately.

 

is the gtx 750ti making more since now? it gets recommended all the time because of its desirable specs.  there is also the older hd 7750 (r7 250x?) which is in the same subset, decent  potency without the extra power supply requirements. it gets alot of favorable judgements also.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:20 PM

49 Amps @ 12v is 588w.  A standard GTX 760 draws max of 170 watts and a factory overclocked one a tad more, and Nvidia recommend a 500w or greater PSU.  The EVGA power supply is reviewed here in detail if interested.  If you wanted something a bit better, I think this is a good deal for $65 after rebate (it's a high quality Seasonic made Gold 80+ PSU) or really the 550w version would do for 1 GPU.

 

Incidentally you might want to hold off a short while as the GTX 760 is likely to rapidly drop in price now.  Nvidia has dropped its pricing since announcing the GTX 970 and GTX 980.  At the same time they have stated they have discontinued the GTX 770 and GTX 780 ranges, and lowered the price on GTX 760's.

 

http://www.techpowerup.com/205418/nvidia-kills-the-gtx-780-ti-gtx-780-gtx-770-cuts-gtx-760-pricing.html


Edited by jonuk76, 18 September 2014 - 11:43 PM.

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