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New Build - From Intel to AMD


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#1 101cjamison

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:33 PM

Hello everyone! This will be my first post, but I've visited the site many times over the years...

 

I will begin upgrading most of my self-built gaming PC from 2011 very soon. I always use Newegg. Here are my current specs:

 

CASE: LIAN LI Lancool PC-K57 ATX Mid Tower

MOBO: BIOSTAR TZ68A+RCH LGA 1155 Intel Z68

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Quad-Core 3.3GHz

COOLER: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

PSU:  Antec NeoECO 620W ATX12V

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1600

GPU: MSI Radeon HD7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC

SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE250BW 2.5" 250GB

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit

 

I am hoping to start by upgrading my Motherboard and Processor and due to the low price and high reviews they are getting, I was considering these two choices:

 

GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX + SB950 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

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AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Desktop Processor FD8350FRHKBOX

 

I will be keeping my current case, unless there is an issue I'm not aware of. I will be upgrading my Video Card to an R9 290 eventually (waiting for a good sale). I will also be upgrading to Windows 8.1 with my new build.

 

My main questions are:

 

1) Do I need to upgrade my Power Supply (620W) along with the new Motherboard/CPU, or can I wait until I get my R9 290 later this year? If so, what wattage?

 

2) Will the current RAM I have transfer and be compatible with the new Motheboard I get? (I will be upgrading to Sniper series 1866 later on also)

 

3) I will be picking up a 1440p monitor probably this holiday season - thoughts on R9 290 with that? I like to play modern games on high settings with maybe 60FPS minimum...

 

4) Does anyone have any general advice or criticisms of my proposed build ideas?

 

 

I have a little wiggle room to pay more but I would rather stick with where I'm at or go lower if there's a better deal out there. I am a casual PC gamer but I do appreciate having high-end components with great graphics quality if it is within my budget. I currently play Guild Wars 2 a lot and will be getting GTA 5 when it comes out. I have built several PCs but still consider myself a novice in many areas so I would appreciate all the help you guys can give! Thanks.


Edited by 101cjamison, 18 July 2014 - 03:12 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:36 PM

I expect this is a controversial opinion, but I think going from a i5-2500K to a FX8350 will for the most part be a sideways step.  The FX series cannot match the single thread performance of an i5, even one that is two generations old.  Where it can have an advantage is in highly multi-threaded applications, where the four extra cores come into play.  Whether this will benefit games, I'm not convinced...

 

This is an old review from 2012, when the FX8350 was first released which shows the FX8350 and i5-2500K on the same charts - http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/6


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:22 PM

@jonuk76

 

Thanks for the input. After doing some more research I am actually convinced that Intel might be the way to go. I am thinking about this Motherboard:

 

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

 

Thoughts on this one? I've never used ASRock before, but I would've said the same about Biostar a few years ago which turned out OK...

 

I would probably pair an i5-3570k with it.

 

Still wondering about power supply, video card and monitor questions from earlier though too.


Edited by 101cjamison, 18 July 2014 - 11:18 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:55 PM

ASRock products are fine; however, are slightly cheaper in their production compared to Gigabyte or Asus motherboards; however, that chipset is OK in terms with the i5-3570k. I myself have the same i5 in my build, and its is excellent for over-clocking. 

 

The R9 290 will run, even with 550watts, however, to give yourself a little bit more of a headroom, the 620watts should be enough. If you really want to be sure, you can go to 700watts.

 

Personally, I would prefer a GTX770 or even to a stretch, GTX780 for gaming. Both performances are higher than the R9 290; however, depending on your budget, the R9 290 should do fine. As an assurance, the GTX780 will perform better. Here's some links:

 

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290-vs-GeForce-GTX-780

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290-vs-GeForce-GTX-770

 

I would not suggest a 1440p monitor, as even the 780 will have more trouble running high-performance games at ultra settings. Even in a 1080p, games like Crysis 3, or BF4, will drop below 60fps during very GPU-intensive scenes, such as a large explosion. It is more of a personal choice, if you want the 1440p, you will need to turn down the settings between a medium-high.

 

Here's some info:

 

At 1440p a 780 will get 36fps. This means a R9 290 will be lower than the 780, as it is a less-powerful graphics card. Therefore, if you want 60fps, I would not recommend a 1440p monitor, unless you're willing to SLI your 780s, or whatever card you're planning to buy.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=3934 <-- Here's a graph of other GPUs with Crysis 3 at Ultra 1440p.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 06:03 AM

Running things like Crysis 3 at max detail settings in 1440p at 60fps would appear to be an unrealistic expectation, unless you're prepared to throw huge amounts of money at it.  But then it's one of the most notoriously demanding games.  Turning quality down to merely "high" should improve things a lot.  I'd say the R9-290 and GTX-770 should perform about equally.  The R9 uses a lot of power, so a high quality PSU is a must.

 

As for going from a i5-2500K to a i5-3570K (it's direct replacement) I'm not sure it would be worth the effort and expense, for me anyway.  I think the consensus view is that performance for a given clock speed improved by up to about 10% from the Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge generations, and similarly the improvement was circa 10% for the IB to Haswell generations.  The i5-2500K was a famously good overclocker with 5ghz on good air cooling being possible in some examples.

 

Going from an i5-2500K to an i7-4790K or i7-4960X for example would be a meaningful upgrade, in terms of CPU power, although whether you'd see much improvement in games that are normally GPU bound (rather than CPU bound) is questionable.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 06:04 AM

Yep, even the Titans will struggle with 1440p at Ultra to even maintain above 60fps. ATI Radeon R9s are also known for their power consumption.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 07:59 AM

What exactly is your budget for this upgrade?

 

As an idea, what about the Intel Core i7-4770 Haswell Quad-Core 3.4GHz paired with GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD5H LGA 1150 Intel Z97.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 11:19 AM

Thanks for the input again guys.

 

It sounds like 1440p may not be worth looking into as of now. I do not want to spend a lot extra for something like SLI 780s. I have decided to stick with LGA 1155. I am going to keep my 2500k and maybe overclock it a bit as I never have. During the holiday season I could always keep an eye out for an i5-3570 or even an i7-3770 if the price is right!

 

As far as video cards go, I am definitely looking at either GTX 770 or r9 290. I have been impressed with my AMD card so far and no issues with the drivers. The last two nvidia cards I had the drivers were always crashing even when up to date, and I had to reverse some of them. I don't mind upgrading my power supply from 620 to say 700-800 if that's all it would take.

 

@DJBPace07

I don't exactly have an overall budget, I am just slowly upgrading things piece by piece when I find good deals or when it's necessary. I am starting with my motherboard because of a faulty PCIe slot. Also getting a new hard drive with Windows 8.1 at the same time. Next I will be looking at upgrading my video card, monitor and possibly power supply and RAM. I tend not to buy top of the line, just came out, parts. At the same time I like to stay current and use high-end parts at medium prices. :) Motherboard budget was maybe $75-150 - Video card looking at $250-350 (relying on sales) - CPU $175-250 - Power supply $75-125 - Monitor $150-250 (Probably IPS 24" or similar) These are estimates based on what I'd like to spend and what I've seen advertised online lately.



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:55 PM

Here is a great deal with 16 gigs of ram, I run this board with 3750K.  Note it was also the 2012 board of the year, original cost for the board was just over $300.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-Technology-GA-Z77X-UP5-TH-LGA-1155-Intel-Motherboard-with-16GB-RAM-/390891348030?pt=Motherboards&hash=item5b02f0a03e


Edited by OldPhil, 21 July 2014 - 07:04 PM.

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