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First time building my own PC - not sure about the parts


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#1 RandyRandomIsAwesome

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 03:34 PM

So, hello everyone.

Since my laptop is about to break apart I decided to search for a new PC.

 

I want to use the following software with it:

Adobe: After Effects, Premiere, Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator

Autodesk: Inventor

Modern games with at least medium resolution settings

 

Additionally, I want that PC to last me a couple of years and be still at least a little bit up-to-date.

 

More so, I want to OC my CPU - not much, just about 0.5 Ghz above standard.

 

So, here are the parts I chose:

 

Intel i7 4790k, 4x 4.00GHz

Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power

ASUS R9290-DC2OC-4GD5 DirectCU II OC, Radeon R9 290, 4GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort 

Western Digital WD Blue 1TB, 64MB Cache, SATA 6Gb/s

Samsung 120GB SSD (currently in my Laptop)

MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline Ridgeback DIMM 8GB, DDR3-2133

Fractal Design Arc Midi R2

Corsair CS Series Modular CS650M 650W ATX 2.3

 

 

I know that I should build in 16GB of RAM, but I would probably wait with that a couple of weeks to keep the initial budget low.

 

I am not sure about the Motherboard - I dont think that I need anything else than the things this Motherboard offers, so there would be no reason to pay more for one, or is there?

 

Please tell me what you think about that setup, it's my first build and I am am afraid that I forgot something...

 

Thank you!

 

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:11 PM

G'day mate, your part list is perfect for what you want although in terms of upgrading the RAM to 16GB at later date, see how it goes with 8GB of ram before you decide to upgrade it. There isn't much to change from the list but you've done a pretty good job at selecting the components that suits your uses :thumbup2:


>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:21 PM

Pretty nice kit you've specified there.  All looks pretty good. 

 

My only concerns with the motherboard is that Z87 boards may need a BIOS upgrade to work with the latest processors (like the i7-4790K).  The latest couple of BIOS updates from MSI added support for the new processors.  Hopefully if you buy one it ships with the newest BIOS but there's probably no guarantee of that.  The new Z97 based boards will definitely support the Haswell Refresh processor out of the box.  It should handle mild overclocking but the more expensive boards offer more in this regard (more power phases etc.).


Edited by jonuk76, 24 June 2014 - 04:22 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:50 PM

Oh yes, thanks to both of you!! I have been so nervous about it haha

 

How much Overclocking would you guess would be possible? I am completly new to this topic and have no idea about what to do... I would start looking everything up after everything is running, but do you think that I could go up to 4.5 GHz with that Motherboard?

 

Thanks again!



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:50 PM

It's impossible to be specific on that really, and I really wouldn't like to guess.  Bear in mind it's already a powerful processor at stock speeds (it'll "overclock" itself to 4.4 Ghz in the right conditions with the turbo mode). I can point you at some systems using that motherboard (none however using that processor) which have been overclocked - you can maybe ask an owner? - http://pcpartpicker.com/builds/by_part/msi-motherboard-z87g41pcmate#C=0

 

Or perhaps someone on a specialist specialist overclocking forum will be able to give more advice on this.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 12:56 AM

In terms of how high you overclock the processor to is based on your luck of silicon lottery and nowadays motherboards that in similar price ranges all use somewhat similar VRMs in terms of quality. One other thing to remember is mind the temperaturges when you're overclocking as it can get quite toasty once you start increasing the voltages but then again MSI has their "OC Genie" which is automatic overclocking feature if you do not want to muck around with the settings. Jonuk brings up a good point on the motherboard as it may be shipped with the old Bios that does not support Haswell Refresh.


Edited by killerx525, 25 June 2014 - 12:58 AM.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:11 AM

Okay, thanks to both of you (again...)

 

jonuk67: Thank you! I will try to ask some of them or find some specialists on that...

 

 

killerx525: Thats why I chose the additional CPU-Fan :) And with the BIOS: A simple update should solve that, shouldn't it...?

 

Thank you!! I will probably order my parts on Friday (so excited...)



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Posted 25 June 2014 - 05:10 AM

Well technically with some motherboard you can update the Bios with the incompatible CPU in placed although half of the time it will not you start up at all but if you want to avoid this potential headache, you're better off getting a motherboard that natively supports Haswell Refresh out of the box.


>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:53 AM

I've just finished putting together an upgrade using a few similar parts to yourself.  I've got an i5-4670K and a similar cooler (one of these, it's huge).  I did not end up buying one of the refresh CPU's because most retailers in the UK have stuck a premium on them (and discounted the older ones), and the initial reviews I've seen haven't shown them to be that much better than the parts they are replacing.

 

Out of interest I used the auto overclocking function on the motherboard (I am using a Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 3 board) to see what it would get to.  This increases the speed until it's at the point of instability and then backs it off.  The result was 4.6 Ghz.  It gets very warm at this speed..  At stock, core temperatures at 100% load with this cooler are in the 50's.  At 4.6 Ghz, it rockets to 95 degrees (with one or two individual cores touching 100 briefly).  They are certainly hot running CPU's once you push them, which might be what you run into.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 04:25 AM

At stock, core temperatures at 100% load with this cooler are in the 50's.  At 4.6 Ghz, it rockets to 95 degrees (with one or two individual cores touching 100 briefly).  They are certainly hot running CPU's once you push them, which might be what you run into.

What you can try doing is slowly back down the voltage as Gigabyte's auto overclocking features usually adds more voltage then needed and see how it goes with the temperatures. 


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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 05:18 AM

Thanks, I'll give it a try :)  TBH I've dropped it to a mild 4.2 Ghz for the time being and that is not showing any signs of overheating or stability problems.


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