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#1 Deadman

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Posted 27 May 2006 - 09:42 PM

I've dug up an old motherboard and have used to to put together a PC. I've been having some issues with the graphics, however. When ever I play any newer 3D games that have large open landscapes (cities, forests, etc) the frame rate plummets to 0.3. Strangely enough, all other visually intense parts of these games (special effects, smoke, lighting, etc) seem to work perfectly fine. If I go to a part of the game thats in a smaller indoor area, the games usually run around 60 FPS.

My system is usually well within the games' requirements (ie, I have double the CPU, RAM, required, and newer-than-required video card). I've installed a improved heat sink on my video card to eliminate any heat-related problems. I run nightly spyware scans, virus scans, disk defrags, etc. Video card drivers, game patches, windows patches are up to date.

After checking with SiSoftware Sandra and Everest, I think I may have discovered the problem -- my AGP driver is not up to date. While I am no expert, I saw something that caught my attention:

Tip 2513 : AGP Bus is unused or AGP card not fully AGP compatible.
Tip 2525 : Current AGP data rate not optimal.

However, here's my problem: I can't figure out what specific motherboard model this is. Can anyone help? And would anyone know where to find the driver I need for this motherboard? I'm guessing DFI.com, obviously (see below), but I'm not sure what specifc driver I should be looking for (The labeling and ordering scheme seems chaotic to me).

Or, am I wrong in assuming it may be the motherboard's AGP driver? If so, please let me know.

I've attached the report on my motherboard and AGP info for those of you who can actually understand this technobabble.

Mainboard
Manufacturer : Diamond Flower (DFI)
MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
MPS Version : 1.40
Model : i845PV-ITE8711
System BIOS : 02/27/2004-i845PV-ITE871-6A69VD42C-00
Chipset : Intel 845 (Brookdale)

System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 2
Maximum Installable Memory : 2GB
Bank0/1 - A0 : DIMM Synchronous SDRAM 512MB/64
Bank2/3 - A1 : DIMM Synchronous SDRAM 512MB/64

Chipset 1
Model : Intel Corporation 82845G/GL/GE Brookdale Host-Hub Interface Bridge (B1-step)
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI IMB USB i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 133MHz (532MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 4x 133MHz / 2x 166MHz
Width : 64-bit
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes
IO Queue Depth : 8 request(s)

Chipset 1 Hub Interface
Type : Hub-Interface
Version : 1.50
Number of Ports : 1
Width : 8-bit
Full Duplex : Yes
Multiplier : 2/1x

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7 1CMD
Bank 1 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7 1CMD
Bank 2 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7 1CMD
Bank 3 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7 1CMD
Speed : 2x 166MHz (332MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 5/4x
Width : 64-bit
Memory Controller in Processor : No
Refresh Rate : 15.60Ás
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No

APIC 1
Version : 2.00
Multiplier : 1/2x
Maximum Interrupts : 24
IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes
Enhanced Support : Yes

AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.00
Maximum Data Transfer Rate : 4x
Multiplier : 1/2x
Fast-Writes Enabled : No
Fast-Writes Support : Yes
Side Band Enabled : Yes

PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.20
Number of Bridges : 2
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 2 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)

LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge
ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes
Delayed Transaction Enabled : Yes

LPC Hub Controller 2
Model : DFI Inc 82801DB/DBL SMBus Controller (ICH4/ICH4-L B0 step)

USB Controller 1
Model : DFI Inc 82801DB/DBL USB UHCI Controller #1 (ICH4/ICH4-L B0 step)
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2
Model : DFI Inc 82801DB/DBL USB UHCI Controller #2 (ICH4/ICH4-L B0 step)
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 3
Model : DFI Inc 82801DB/DBL USB UHCI Controller #3 (ICH4/ICH4-L B0 step)
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 4
Model : DFI Inc 82801DB/DBL USB 2.0 EHCI Controller (ICH4/ICH4-L B0 step)
Version : 2.00
Specification : 1.00
Interface : EHCI
Channels : 6
Companion Controllers : 3
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support : 64-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

System SMBus Controller 1
Model : Intel 801xx/63xx SMBus
Version : 0.02
Specification : 1.00
Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No
Slave Device Enabled : No
PEC Support : No
Speed : 100kHz

Expansion Slot(s)
PCI0 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available (Intel Corporation 82845G/GL/GE Brookdale Host to AGP Bridge (B1-step))
PCI1 (2h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
PCI2 (3h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
PCI3 (4h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
AGP (8h) : AGP 32-bit +5V Full-Length Used (ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9800 Pro (R350))

Port Connector(s)
PRIMARY IDE : None - ATA / None
SECONDARY IDE : None - ATA / None
FDD : 8251 FIFO - Floppy Disk / None
COM1 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
COM2 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
LPT1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - DB-25 pin female / DB-25 pin female
Keyboard : Keyboard - PS/2 / PS/2
PS/2 Mouse : Mouse - PS/2 / PS/2
USB0 : USB - None / None
USB1 : USB - None / None

Performance Tips
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Warning 2507 : Mainboard has too few memory slots. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive.
Warning 2508 : All memory slots are full. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Tip 2513 : AGP Bus is unused or AGP card not fully AGP compatible.
Tip 2525 : Current AGP data rate not optimal.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.


AGP Bus Information

Device Information
Device Type : VGA Video Adapter
Device ID : bus 1, device 0, function 0
Windows Device Name : RADEON 9800 PRO
OEM Device Name : ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9800 Pro (R350)
OEM Hardware ID : FUN_0, VEN_1002, DEV_4E48, REV_00
Device Name : ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9800 Pro (R350)
Product ID : VEN_1002, DEV_0002
Revision : A / 1 (0)

AGP Capabilities
Version : 2.00
Command Queue Length : 80
Fast-Writes Support : Yes
Over 4GB Addressing Support : No
Side Band Support : Yes
Data Transfer Modes Support : 1x 2x 4x

Power Management Features
Version : 2.00
Supports Clock Slow-down : Yes
Supports D1 PM State : Yes
Supports D2 PM State : Yes
Supports PME# : No
Supports PME Clock : No

Device Capabilities
Line Cache Size : 8 byte(s)
Latency Timer : 255 clk
I/O Range : Yes
Memory Range : Yes
Bus Master Capable : Yes
Special Cycle Recognition : No
Memory Write & Invalidate : No
VGA Palette Snoop : No
Parity Error Response : No
Address/Data Stepping : Yes
System Error Line : No
Fast back-to-back Transactions : No
Detects Parity Errors : No
Supports System Error Line : No
Supports Parity Line : No
User Defined Format : No
66MHz Bus Support : Yes
New Capability List : Yes
Device Select Timing : Medium
Multi-Function Device : Yes
Header : 00
Interface : 00

Hardware Resources
Memory Range : D8000000
I/O Range : 0000C000
Memory Range : E9000000
Irq. No. : 16
INT Pin : A#
Dynamic Management : Yes



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Posted 27 May 2006 - 11:15 PM

Have you tried simply reinstalling it.
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Posted 28 May 2006 - 10:58 AM

Look in your bios setup and see if your ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9800 Pro card is enabled rather than the onboard video adapter.

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 01:26 PM

Re-installing what precisely? The ATI card, drivers? BIOS? The programs themselves?

My ATI control pannel seems to be functioning normally, and bios says it's prime too.

I still think it may be the AGP driver, since I have yet to figure out the specific motherboard model and thus install the AGP driver. I'd like to try that option to knock it off the list of obvious potential solutions, at least. Anyone have any ideas?

Edited by Deadman, 28 May 2006 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2006 - 01:40 PM

You can find the motherboard make and model using Everest Home.

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 01:45 PM

As I mentioned in my first post, I've already tried Everest. It gives me the exact same string of numbers as SiSoftware Sandra, but still no name.

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 08:17 PM

You may have a compatibility problem. That "Radeon 9800 Pro" may not be compatible with that motherboard. The AGP bus on that motherboard maxs out at 4x. The card you have requires a 8x to function properly.
Do you have another card to try? In your BIOS is the bus settings set to PCI or AGP?
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 01:43 PM

By BIOS is set to AGP... I also found an option called 'AGP 4x Mode' and tried disabling it (I wasn't sure if it meant increase speed to 4x or reduce speed to that number). It seemed to have no effect.

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 01:48 PM

Have you tried the video card's software to see if you can run it at a lower rate? Say reduce it from x8 to x4?
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 05:16 PM

With finding out the motherboard type, you may get lucky - have you looked on the motherboard itself? I know most of the MB's I've seen have it writtenin white (usually large letters) next to the CPU slot.....
[CPU]Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo @ 3.19GHz
[MoBo]ASUS P5N32-SLI Premium (nForce590)
[RAM]4GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 CL4 @ 710MHz
[GPU]XFX 8800 GTX 768MB [SLI] @ Stock
[PSU]CoolerMaster 1kW
[Audio]ASUS Xonar D2
[Case]Antec Nine Hundred
[OS]Windows Vista Ultimate 64
[LCD]SAMSUNG 226BW
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Posted 31 May 2006 - 12:32 AM

I found out I was looking at the 'wrong' cereal number when I searched (there were two of them beside reach other). I have found out my correct motherboard model, but now I am unsure of what I'm supposed to be looking for in terms of downloads. The links to the available downloads for this motherboard are linked here:

Drivers

Bios

If someone could look through them and suggest which ones I should install (none of them look AGP-related), It'd be much appreicated.

And as to setting the AGP speed... I opened up my video card control pannel, but it will not let me change the AGP settings, specifically my 'Fast Write, AGP Write, and AGP Read' are all stuck in the 'off' position, and it reads my current AGP speed a '0x'. However, my PCI settings, 'PCI Write, PCI Read' are both in the 'on' position, which is strange since my BIOS claims to be set to AGP instead of PCI....

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Posted 31 May 2006 - 01:00 AM

Okay, it seems the 'drivers' is just WinFlash which is a program to enable you to flash your BIOS from Windows (rather than at boot up), and the other is a USB 2.0 driver.

The 'Bios' is of course your BIOS update, which may be a starting point, and whether or not you need WinFlash to flash your BIOS with the updated file, I am unsure (it should say with the instructions for the BIOS download).

My work PCs don't let us download ANYTHING!!! so I can't say if the USB 2.0 file includes the the motherboard drivers. What you are looking for is the INF drivers, which tells the MB how to talk to it's components.... at least thats what its called for most other MBs...

You said you dug up the MB and built a PC with it - after you installed your OS, did you install the drivers for your MB? If not, that is likely your problem. If you still have the CD that came with the MB, that should be all you need, and should include teh INF drivers.

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Posted 01 June 2006 - 02:43 PM

I found the proper CD and installed the INF drivers (and anything else that wasn't a USB or audio driver). Unfortunately, it's had no effect on my video problems.

Ugh, this issue is driving me nuts. I'm tempted just to throw out my video card and buy another, but everything works fine except large landscapes. Aside from that single issue, the video card preforms everything like it should. Seems like a waste just to throw it out over that one little thing...

Anyways, anyone else have any ideas?




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