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Will this upgrade be compatible and be nice and simple with my PC?


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#1 ItsTai

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 07:25 PM

this card

 

 

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5009#ov

 

and this psu

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151061

 

on this pre build computer

 

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=hu&lc=hu&dlc=hu&tmp_geoLoc=true&docname=c03575534#N671

 

Will everything go alright? Is everything compatible? I'm a big pc noob and everything I know I learned in the past 3 days so it's not much. And will 400W be enough for that card? I wanna order the parts soon so i'd like to know I won't be buying something my computer can't use for some reason. Also will replacing the PSU and the card be easy enough for a noob like me using some youtube and guides? Thanks :)

 


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Posted 28 May 2014 - 07:35 PM

Hi Tai, the HP link to your pre-built system seems to be dead unfortunately but the power supply you have chosen only has 1x PCI-E  6pin power connector. The graphics card you have chosen which is the Gigabyte R7-265 requires 2x PCI-E 6pin power connnector in order for it to fully function.


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Posted 28 May 2014 - 07:51 PM

Hi Tai, the HP link to your pre-built system seems to be dead unfortunately but the power supply you have chosen only has 1x PCI-E  6pin power connector. The graphics card you have chosen which is the Gigabyte R7-265 requires 2x PCI-E 6pin power connnector in order for it to fully function.

 

Hey, sorry about that, fixed now.

So should I get another PSU? Will the performance drastically change with this PSU? 



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 08:09 PM

The card won't work with the PSU you chose. The lowest end PSU I would recommend is a Corsair CX500. That'll get you by with just about any card on the market. I suggest you get at least an R9 270X though. No lower than that or you'll have poor gaming performance.

 

By the way, it makes a lot more sense to build the computer yourself than it does to buy a prebuilt. When you build it yourself you can get exactly the components you want and need without having to compromise or settle for anything less than what you wanted.

 

If you can give me your budget for the computer including GPU and windows, I can suggest some parts. Also, will you  need a monitor and keyboard/mouse?


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Posted 28 May 2014 - 08:35 PM

For video card recommened I just go here-

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html\

 

they do this all the time and the 'less than $200' dollar market looks like a gigabyte r9 270 from amazon- $179- http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GDDR5-2GB-2xDVI-Graphics-GV-R927OC-2GD/dp/B00GWSYVUY?SubscriptionId=AKIAIEF7KZG4SSIJ7QQA&tag=toms_shopping_gpu-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00GWSYVUY

 

Disclaimer- I glanced though some of it but didnt read the whole thing. (but I would if I was buying a video card.......)

 

For a single video card you want a 500 to 600 watt psu- big video cards want 25 to 30 amps at 12 volts.  So get a psu that fits your budget and has a single 12v rail-

 

to explain the 'single rail thing'- look at specs for above psu-- there is a ton of info if you scroll down. look for  'output'  it is nothing more than a list of the volts and amps capabilities of this psu- Now there is a 12v1@17a and a 12v2@17a - this is -12 volts rail 1- which has an output capability of 17Amps AND rail 2 has same capability.......

 

You want a single listing like 12v@34A  thats 34amps--- not as good as 40 or 45... but on right track.


Edited by Bill1821, 28 May 2014 - 08:49 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2014 - 08:58 PM

The card won't work with the PSU you chose. The lowest end PSU I would recommend is a Corsair CX500. That'll get you by with just about any card on the market. I suggest you get at least an R9 270X though. No lower than that or you'll have poor gaming performance.

 

By the way, it makes a lot more sense to build the computer yourself than it does to buy a prebuilt. When you build it yourself you can get exactly the components you want and need without having to compromise or settle for anything less than what you wanted.

 

If you can give me your budget for the computer including GPU and windows, I can suggest some parts. Also, will you  need a monitor and keyboard/mouse?

 

 

I see, that's odd as the PSU was recommended to me with that card on another forum \: Well good thing I got a 2nd opinion.

 

I know that card is low-mid range but i've seen FPS tests and gameplay and it seems to run all the newest games on low-medium (some high-ultra) very smoothly, when i'll have more money i'll probably upgrade it eventually but I think it fits my needs for now, where I live the card you suggested is double the price at cheapest...

 

If it wasn't clear I already have the pre built PC, I know my mistake now though. 

 

Can I get a 400W with the R7 265? If so i think i'd like that option better if it's less expensive, the CX500 is definitely affordable here though, not a very huge difference in price.

 

 

 

For video card recommened I just go here-

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html\

 

they do this all the time and the 'less than $200' dollar market looks like a gigabyte r9 270 from amazon- $179- http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GDDR5-2GB-2xDVI-Graphics-GV-R927OC-2GD/dp/B00GWSYVUY?SubscriptionId=AKIAIEF7KZG4SSIJ7QQA&tag=toms_shopping_gpu-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00GWSYVUY

 

Disclaimer- I glanced though some of it but didnt read the whole thing. (but I would if I was buying a video card.......)

 

For a single video card you want a 500 to 600 watt psu- big video cards want 25 to 30 amps at 12 volts.  So get a psu that fits your budget and has a single 12v rail-

 

 

 

Thing is I live in Israel so the prices are pretty much completely different and amazon isn't really an option for 70% of the products since they either don't ship here or have very high delivery costs.

Is 500-600W really needed? (Even for the R7 265?)

 

Thank you all for the help.



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 09:20 PM

Thing is I live in Israel so the prices are pretty much completely different and amazon isn't really an option for 70% of the products since they either don't ship here or have very high delivery costs.

Is 500-600W really needed? (Even for the R7 265?)

 

Yes other areas of the world can make huge differences. The pc you have looks like a good one and should be fast enough to last quite awhile.

 

Now the power requirement on the webpage you posted for the card says 500 watt- So 500 watts is good enough- I didnt see the actual power requirements.

 I don't know enough about this to recommened differently.

Remember that IF the video card itself wants 12 volts @ thirty amps thats 360 watts and you still need to run the rest of the machine too-

The Card looks like a good one- there is always something 'better' and seems to me with video cards the main difference is the spec sheet- (within the same generation of card).

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:32 AM

Based from the specs from your desktop, the CPU is a low power model with a 65W TDP, meaning it will leave plenty of room for the graphics card to be used on that Seasonic. It's not a wattage that is a concern but the lack of a 2nd 6pin PCI-E connector as the R7 265 requires. A way around this, is to purchase a 4pin molex connector to a 6pin PCIE connector.
http://www.advancetec.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1250x1250/b65b7106e6199ae52d7f08f5a5033ae0/c/4/c4071_-_25cm_atfx_pci_express_power_cable_adaptor_-_4_pin_male_molex_to_6_pin_female_1.jpg

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 09:17 AM

Based from the specs from your desktop, the CPU is a low power model with a 65W TDP, meaning it will leave plenty of room for the graphics card to be used on that Seasonic. It's not a wattage that is a concern but the lack of a 2nd 6pin PCI-E connector as the R7 265 requires. A way around this, is to purchase a 4pin molex connector to a 6pin PCIE connector.
http://www.advancetec.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1250x1250/b65b7106e6199ae52d7f08f5a5033ae0/c/4/c4071_-_25cm_atfx_pci_express_power_cable_adaptor_-_4_pin_male_molex_to_6_pin_female_1.jpg

 

Hey, so I just asked on the other forum that gave me the recommendation and they say that the card will come with the connector (either the store I'm about to order it from addes it or the card comes with it I'm not sure, I'll ask them before I order)

If this is true, other than this, will the upgrade go smooth and nice? Will 400W be enough for the power my computer takes? and will the connector somehow make my card less functional? 

Thanks! 

 

Edit: Hey! if you guys can kinda give me a final word on this since I think  I might order them today, will it all work just fine? Is my entire PC 100% compatible? Will the card performance decrees in any way because of the connector?

 

And another thing I'm a little scared of, my current card it pretty thin and my back seems to be built to its size so it fits just fine and I'm not sure my back would be able to fit the new card?

 

 

Old card:

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.BINARYPORTLET/public/kb/docDisplay/resource.process/?javax.portlet.sync=e3d22dd370164a84f561e1d271911c01&javax.portlet.tpst=ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01_ws_BI&javax.portlet.prp_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D&javax.portlet.rst_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252F16.193.225.56%253A50002%252Fsp4tssearch%252FimageServlet%253FDOCID%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%252Fc03513493.jpg%26wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D%26wsrp-requiresRewrite%3Dfalse&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken

 

New card:

http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/3/5009/9839_big.jpg

 


Edited by ItsTai, 29 May 2014 - 10:45 AM.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:10 PM

 

Based from the specs from your desktop, the CPU is a low power model with a 65W TDP, meaning it will leave plenty of room for the graphics card to be used on that Seasonic. It's not a wattage that is a concern but the lack of a 2nd 6pin PCI-E connector as the R7 265 requires. A way around this, is to purchase a 4pin molex connector to a 6pin PCIE connector.
http://www.advancetec.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1250x1250/b65b7106e6199ae52d7f08f5a5033ae0/c/4/c4071_-_25cm_atfx_pci_express_power_cable_adaptor_-_4_pin_male_molex_to_6_pin_female_1.jpg

 

Hey, so I just asked on the other forum that gave me the recommendation and they say that the card will come with the connector (either the store I'm about to order it from addes it or the card comes with it I'm not sure, I'll ask them before I order)

If this is true, other than this, will the upgrade go smooth and nice? Will 400W be enough for the power my computer takes? and will the connector somehow make my card less functional? 

Thanks! 

 

Edit: Hey! if you guys can kinda give me a final word on this since I think  I might order them today, will it all work just fine? Is my entire PC 100% compatible? Will the card performance decrees in any way because of the connector?

 

And another thing I'm a little scared of, my current card it pretty thin and my back seems to be built to its size so it fits just fine and I'm not sure my back would be able to fit the new card?

 

 

Old card:

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.BINARYPORTLET/public/kb/docDisplay/resource.process/?javax.portlet.sync=e3d22dd370164a84f561e1d271911c01&javax.portlet.tpst=ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01_ws_BI&javax.portlet.prp_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D&javax.portlet.rst_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252F16.193.225.56%253A50002%252Fsp4tssearch%252FimageServlet%253FDOCID%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%252Fc03513493.jpg%26wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D%26wsrp-requiresRewrite%3Dfalse&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken

 

New card:

http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/3/5009/9839_big.jpg

 

 

What the heck does your back have to do with video cards? Or maybe it's just your English.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:28 PM

 

 

Based from the specs from your desktop, the CPU is a low power model with a 65W TDP, meaning it will leave plenty of room for the graphics card to be used on that Seasonic. It's not a wattage that is a concern but the lack of a 2nd 6pin PCI-E connector as the R7 265 requires. A way around this, is to purchase a 4pin molex connector to a 6pin PCIE connector.
http://www.advancetec.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1250x1250/b65b7106e6199ae52d7f08f5a5033ae0/c/4/c4071_-_25cm_atfx_pci_express_power_cable_adaptor_-_4_pin_male_molex_to_6_pin_female_1.jpg

 

Hey, so I just asked on the other forum that gave me the recommendation and they say that the card will come with the connector (either the store I'm about to order it from addes it or the card comes with it I'm not sure, I'll ask them before I order)

If this is true, other than this, will the upgrade go smooth and nice? Will 400W be enough for the power my computer takes? and will the connector somehow make my card less functional? 

Thanks! 

 

Edit: Hey! if you guys can kinda give me a final word on this since I think  I might order them today, will it all work just fine? Is my entire PC 100% compatible? Will the card performance decrees in any way because of the connector?

 

And another thing I'm a little scared of, my current card it pretty thin and my back seems to be built to its size so it fits just fine and I'm not sure my back would be able to fit the new card?

 

 

Old card:

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.BINARYPORTLET/public/kb/docDisplay/resource.process/?javax.portlet.sync=e3d22dd370164a84f561e1d271911c01&javax.portlet.tpst=ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01_ws_BI&javax.portlet.prp_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D&javax.portlet.rst_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252F16.193.225.56%253A50002%252Fsp4tssearch%252FimageServlet%253FDOCID%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%252Fc03513493.jpg%26wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D%26wsrp-requiresRewrite%3Dfalse&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken

 

New card:

http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/3/5009/9839_big.jpg

 

 

What the heck does your back have to do with video cards? Or maybe it's just your English.

 

 

The back of my computer of course -_- 

Where the back of the card goes out so I can connect my monitor.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:29 PM

 

 

 

Based from the specs from your desktop, the CPU is a low power model with a 65W TDP, meaning it will leave plenty of room for the graphics card to be used on that Seasonic. It's not a wattage that is a concern but the lack of a 2nd 6pin PCI-E connector as the R7 265 requires. A way around this, is to purchase a 4pin molex connector to a 6pin PCIE connector.
http://www.advancetec.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1250x1250/b65b7106e6199ae52d7f08f5a5033ae0/c/4/c4071_-_25cm_atfx_pci_express_power_cable_adaptor_-_4_pin_male_molex_to_6_pin_female_1.jpg

 

Hey, so I just asked on the other forum that gave me the recommendation and they say that the card will come with the connector (either the store I'm about to order it from addes it or the card comes with it I'm not sure, I'll ask them before I order)

If this is true, other than this, will the upgrade go smooth and nice? Will 400W be enough for the power my computer takes? and will the connector somehow make my card less functional? 

Thanks! 

 

Edit: Hey! if you guys can kinda give me a final word on this since I think  I might order them today, will it all work just fine? Is my entire PC 100% compatible? Will the card performance decrees in any way because of the connector?

 

And another thing I'm a little scared of, my current card it pretty thin and my back seems to be built to its size so it fits just fine and I'm not sure my back would be able to fit the new card?

 

 

Old card:

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.BINARYPORTLET/public/kb/docDisplay/resource.process/?javax.portlet.sync=e3d22dd370164a84f561e1d271911c01&javax.portlet.tpst=ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01_ws_BI&javax.portlet.prp_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D&javax.portlet.rst_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252F16.193.225.56%253A50002%252Fsp4tssearch%252FimageServlet%253FDOCID%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%252Fc03513493.jpg%26wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c03575534-13%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D%26wsrp-requiresRewrite%3Dfalse&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken

 

New card:

http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/3/5009/9839_big.jpg

 

 

What the heck does your back have to do with video cards? Or maybe it's just your English.

 

 

The back of my computer of course -_- 

Where the back of the card goes out so I can connect my monitor.

 

 

I dont understand the question.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:06 PM

What Tai is trying to say is whether the amount of slots the new graphics card takes which is 2 will fit in his case and the answer would be yes. There shouldn't be any performance decrease as without the necessary power connector, the system will usually not start up but your best bet is to just order the adapter unless you are certain Gigabyte includes the adapter.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:00 AM

What Tai is trying to say is whether the amount of slots the new graphics card takes which is 2 will fit in his case and the answer would be yes. There shouldn't be any performance decrease as without the necessary power connector, the system will usually not start up but your best bet is to just order the adapter unless you are certain Gigabyte includes the adapter.

 

Hey, ok thanks for all your help, I think I will order the parts today and tomorrow and ask the store whether or not the adapter comes with card, if not ill order it separately.

Also, just to make sure, this is the back of my pc,

 

 

 

xTGI5A8.jpg

 

 

 

So I got what you mean, it takes two slots and there's a space in the card to allow that, I didn't realize that before.

But anyway I opened my slot thingy to see if I can take off the one above it to allow it to fit but it seems I can't, I can easily remove the one above that one  (2nd from top) but not the one above my current card. so it seems I can't open the one above the card to allow the card to fit in, I can't open the ones with the 2 lines on them, am I missing something or is my computer built in a stupid way?

 

EDIT: So I just read that some cases are built in a way that you have to break the metal piece off, well I did just that and now I have that slot open. so NVM that whole deal. Next i'll ask the store if the card comes with the that connector. Thanks for the help.


Edited by ItsTai, 30 May 2014 - 05:09 AM.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:21 AM

 

EDIT: So I just read that some cases are built in a way that you have to break the metal piece off, well I did just that and now I have that slot open. so NVM that whole deal. Next i'll ask the store if the card comes with the that connector. Thanks for the help.

 

Good to hear you worked it out and also you could ask the store person to open the graphics box to see if it is included.


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