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Can ClamAV be used with Precise Puppy 5.7.1?


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:00 PM

Is there any way to install ClamAV on a memory stick, to use it with Precise Puppy 5.7.1?

 

I have ClamAV installed on the Ubuntu partiton on my desktop pc, have used it to scan the Windows partition, and would like to do the same on my old laptop using this live OS, if possible.

 

Any advice would be much appreciated.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:44 PM

You can check to see if it's in the Package Manager, I've not found it yet on FatDog x64 yet.

 

Just getting started with Puppy myself. Hopefully NickAu1 will know.

 

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 03:09 AM

Is there any way to install ClamAV on a memory stick, to use it with Precise Puppy 5.7.1?

 

I have ClamAV installed on the Ubuntu partiton on my desktop pc, have used it to scan the Windows partition, and would like to do the same on my old laptop using this live OS, if possible.

 

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Clam AV has some of the worst detection rates going

 

 

and would like to do the same on my old laptop using this live OS

If by live you mean boot from dvd/cd  install it in puppy update it then re master the cd.

 

Look in menu setup remaster the cd.

 

Why not just install puppy to USB then you can do whatever you like,

 

 

You can check to see if it's in the Package Manager

It is in PPM for Precise Puppy 5.7.1.  

 

 

I've not found it yet on FatDog x64 yet.

Have you updated PPM?


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:04 AM

Thanks for the responses. I have just figured out what Package Manager is, and found ClamAV in it. Is there a different Windows anti-virus program that can be used instead with Linux, that has better detection rates? In my limited experience with Ubuntu on my desktop pc, ClamAV seems to be the most popular one. I tried booting this laptop up from a BitDefender CD, but it didn't work, possibly because BitDefender requires 1GB of RAM and this laptop only has 768MB.

 

I finalised the CD when I burned the Puppy ISO to it, as I didn't know any better at the time, so I would have to make another one (which is no big deal). I have also just found the remaster CD option in the menu, so I will look into that further as well. Installing Puppy on a USB sounds like a better option, but I'm not entirely sure that this laptop would boot Puppy from a USB, as the only option that mentions USB in the boot menu in the BIOS is one that says ''boot hard drive from USB,'' as a seperate option underneath the list where boot device priority is selected. USB is not in the boot priority list itself, but I will try installing Puppy on a USB and selecting that option to see if it does work.

 

Another thing I'm unsure about is how to make sure that programs install on the USB. Again in my limited experience with installing ClamAV fom a Terminal in Ubuntu, there didn't seem to be an option as to where to install it. I have clicked on the ''Mount'' facility in Puppy to see what that is all about, and wonder perhaps if I unmount the hard drive and mount the USB, then would programs install by default to the USB?

 

Are hardware devices mounted or unmounted by default, and if they are mounted and I unmount the hard drive, would that affect starting the laptop in Windows, or does it just unmount the hard drive as far as Puppy is concerned? I am not even sure what ''mounted'' and ''unmounted'' means. I would have guessed that devices are ''mounted'' if they appear on the desktop as icons, but OTOH when I clicked on ''preferences'' of hardware devices in the Mount facility, no information on any of the individual devices (hard drive, optical drive and USB) was immediately displayed.

 

I also tried creating a folder on a USB stick to save the settings, following the recommendations in the option that is displayed when ''shutdown'' is selected, but that caused some sort of error involving kernels when I tried to boot Puppy back up again, and I had to remove the USB and boot up without it. Although I did note a warning message on this option saying that is was experimental and might not work with laptops, when I created the folder in the first place.

 

Apologies for asking so many questions at once. I have now spent some time looking through the help files and searching the internet for more information on this OS, and have also looked through the menu options. Although I have been wary of clicking on options because I don't know what they are, in case I inadvertantly install anything on the hard drive. On my desktop pc I created a separate partition for Ubuntu so have no qualms experimenting with it, but I want to try to restrict everything to do with Puppy on this laptop to the USB and/or optical drive. As always, any advice would be appreciated.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:58 PM

 

Is there a different Windows anti-virus program that can be used instead with Linux, that has better detection rates?

 

 

Avast - Avast is a freemium antivirus software. Avast is not open-source and uses up resources like RAM. Many users feel that Avast offers more protection than ClamAV. The paid version of Avast offers numerous features that ClamAV lacks. For instance, Avast can sandbox applications. To obtain Avast, visit avast.com and download the application.

AVG - Anti-Virus Guard is a proprietary virus scanner that can be downloaded from free.avg.com/us-en/download.prd-alf.

Comodo - Comodo is a proprietary scanner that can be downloaded from comodo.com/home/internet-security/antivirus-for-linux.php.

Kaspersky - Kaspersky is a proprietary scanner that can be found on this link - kaspersky.com/product-updates/linux-file-server-antivirus.

 

If you want AV for just puppy don't bother with anything. Use Firefox with adblok pop up blocker and noscript. 

If you intend to use a AV in puppy to scan Windows pc I have no comment on that as I do not know much about it. You may find that doing it that way a file or something could get deleted and it breaks the Windows system. My best advice for malware removal in Windows is to speak to the Malware Response Team.

 

Re antivirus on Unbuntu, Read thru this.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2214187

 

 

but I'm not entirely sure that this laptop would boot Puppy from a USB

The right puppy will boot that pc I could be wrong but unless that PC is old like me it will be able to boot from usb.

Whats the make and model, How much ram ?

 

 

Puppy on a USB sounds like a better option,

On puppy use the Universal installer. Menu/Setup/Universal installer ( its just above the remaster cd)

Make sure you set the flag as boot in gparted.

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On first shut down create a save file make it as big as you can.

 

 

Another thing I'm unsure about is how to make sure that programs install on the USB. Again in my limited experience with installing ClamAV fom a Terminal in Ubuntu, there didn't seem to be an option as to where to install it.

If Linux is installed to USB, When you boot from USB Linux will by default install everything you add to it on USB. Kinda like when you install stuff to Windows it goes to the default C/ Windows/ Whatever.

 

 

Are hardware devices mounted or unmounted by default, and if they are mounted and I unmount the hard drive, would that affect starting the laptop in Windows

Read this.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/introduction-to-mounting-filesystems-in-linux/

 

When rebooting the PC will boot from what ever device its set to boot from, So if you are on Linux USB and want Windows Shut down remove USB and reboot. Easy huh?

 

 

would have guessed that devices are ''mounted'' if they appear on the desktop

No they are "mounted" when you open them the icon is just a short cut.

 

I also tried creating a folder on a USB stick to save the settings

http://youtu.be/u5L58SxEqdE

 

 

 

Apologies for asking so many questions at once.

No need, We were all novices once.

 

 

I cant do it atm but if you want I can reboot my pc from Unbuntu Live disc and go thru the install process of UNBUNTU to USB in a short video. Or look it up on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=install+unbuntu+to+usb


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:33 AM

 

 

Is there a different Windows anti-virus program that can be used instead with Linux, that has better detection rates?

 

 

Avast - Avast is a freemium antivirus software. Avast is not open-source and uses up resources like RAM. Many users feel that Avast offers more protection than ClamAV. The paid version of Avast offers numerous features that ClamAV lacks. For instance, Avast can sandbox applications. To obtain Avast, visit avast.com and download the application.

AVG - Anti-Virus Guard is a proprietary virus scanner that can be downloaded from free.avg.com/us-en/download.prd-alf.

Comodo - Comodo is a proprietary scanner that can be downloaded from comodo.com/home/internet-security/antivirus-for-linux.php.

Kaspersky - Kaspersky is a proprietary scanner that can be found on this link - kaspersky.com/product-updates/linux-file-server-antivirus.

 

If you want AV for just puppy don't bother with anything. Use Firefox with adblok pop up blocker and noscript. 

If you intend to use a AV in puppy to scan Windows pc I have no comment on that as I do not know much about it. You may find that doing it that way a file or something could get deleted and it breaks the Windows system. My best advice for malware removal in Windows is to speak to the Malware Response Team.

 

Re antivirus on Unbuntu, Read thru this.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2214187

 

 

but I'm not entirely sure that this laptop would boot Puppy from a USB

The right puppy will boot that pc I could be wrong but unless that PC is old like me it will be able to boot from usb.

Whats the make and model, How much ram ?

 

 

Puppy on a USB sounds like a better option,

On puppy use the Universal installer. Menu/Setup/Universal installer ( its just above the remaster cd)

Make sure you set the flag as boot in gparted.

View My Video

On first shut down create a save file make it as big as you can.

 

 

Another thing I'm unsure about is how to make sure that programs install on the USB. Again in my limited experience with installing ClamAV fom a Terminal in Ubuntu, there didn't seem to be an option as to where to install it.

If Linux is installed to USB, When you boot from USB Linux will by default install everything you add to it on USB. Kinda like when you install stuff to Windows it goes to the default C/ Windows/ Whatever.

 

 

Are hardware devices mounted or unmounted by default, and if they are mounted and I unmount the hard drive, would that affect starting the laptop in Windows

Read this.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/introduction-to-mounting-filesystems-in-linux/

 

When rebooting the PC will boot from what ever device its set to boot from, So if you are on Linux USB and want Windows Shut down remove USB and reboot. Easy huh?

 

 

would have guessed that devices are ''mounted'' if they appear on the desktop

No they are "mounted" when you open them the icon is just a short cut.

 

I also tried creating a folder on a USB stick to save the settings

http://youtu.be/u5L58SxEqdE

 

 

 

Apologies for asking so many questions at once.

No need, We were all novices once.

 

 

I cant do it atm but if you want I can reboot my pc from Unbuntu Live disc and go thru the install process of UNBUNTU to USB in a short video. Or look it up on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=install+unbuntu+to+usb

 

 

Many thanks for all this information. I think this answers all my questions. It will take me some time to work through it all, and I'll post if I come across any problems.

 

The laptop is a old one. It's a Packard Bell EasyNote E6307, with a pitiful 768MB of RAM. I have just added some more info on hardware to my profile.

 

Ideally I would have liked to get rid of XP on this laptop altogether and install a Linux OS, but when I looked into doing that, I read that the manufacturers ''tattoo'' the hard drive which ensures that it won't boot up with any OS other than the one that they originally installed. Apparently the ''tattoo'' is read by the BIOS on start up, and if it isn't there the hard drive won't boot up. So formatting the hard drive would be out of the question as that would wipe the tattoo. Apparently the only option left in that event, is to flash the BIOS with a different BIOS program. So the best option seems to be to leave the hard drive as it is, as XP still works ok it's just very slow, and use a live OS most of the time.

 

I am only really using this laptop now because my desktop pc developed a hardware problem which I am still working on. Otherwise I would hardly ever use the laptop, but I suspect that I will use it more than I used to, now that I have discovered how fast it runs with Puppy.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:40 PM

Unfortunately this laptop won't boot from USB. The USB option in the BIOS boot menu I was referring to says ''boot HD from USB if USB HD installed.'' I'm not quite sure what that's all about, but it won't let me select that option anyway. So is there any way to install programs on a USB, with Puppy on a CD?

 

A strange issue has also occurred. Usually, when I boot up with Puppy, everything loads automatically until the desktop appears with the multi-choice box that asks if I want to install the firewall etc. The only thing I did that I had not done before, was to click the ''play'' icon on the desktop and browse to a couple of videos I have saved on the Windows partition to test the built-in media player. The next time I booted up Puppy, instead of everything loading automatically, I had to complete several steps until the desktop appeared. These are the individual steps it asked me to take:

 

1) select keyboard layout

2) select timezone

3) select video driver

4) Xorg video wizard

 

After running the video wizard, the desktop with the box re firewall etc finally appeared. I couldn't understand why Puppy didn't start up as it usually did, and assumed that somehow it must have written something on the CD, even though I had finalised it when I burned the ISO image.

 

So I booted back into Windows, and burned another Puppy ISO on another CD, then booted up using that, but the same thing happened again! It didn't load up automatically like it used to, and I had to complete the steps listed above again before the desktop appeared.

 

Have you any idea what might have happened?


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:16 PM

I rebooted the computer just there to see what would happen, and it started up like it used to. I noted on the box that appears re firewall etc, it says something like ''good, you are using openchrome video driver...'' which I recall selecting during the last time I ran the Xorg wizard. I assume I must have changed the video driver settings somehow by testing the video player, and have now changed them back again when I selected openchrome when it ran the Xorg wizard.

 

However, I still don't understand how it would ''remember'' what I had done, after rebooting the pc, if nothing is saved on the hard drive.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 08:57 PM

 

However, I still don't understand how it would ''remember'' what I had done, after rebooting the pc, if nothing is saved on the hard drive.

You must have created a save file.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:48 AM

 

 

However, I still don't understand how it would ''remember'' what I had done, after rebooting the pc, if nothing is saved on the hard drive.

You must have created a save file.

 

 

The only save file that I intentionally created was on the USB the other day, but I deleted it after it didn't work. So if there is some other save file, I either created it inadvertantly without knowing I was doing so, or it was created automatically. I looked into the option of creating a save file on the hard drive at shutdown, but when a warning was displayed telling me that if I was saving to a Windows partition that I should format the partition first, I aborted the process at that stage by clicking on the abort button. The pc appeared to abort the process and shutdown after that.

 

Have you any idea where on the harddrive this save file might be, or what it might be called or what its extension is likely to be, so that I can search the hard drive using the search facility in Windows?



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 04:32 AM

As an aside, I have now managed to create a save file on a multi-session CD (despite the warning that says this doesn't work on laptop optical drives). There is now a save button icon on the desktop that wasn't there before, and for the first time ever, Puppy started up without displaying the box re firewall etc. I also experimented by bookmarking a webpage before shutdown, and the bookmark was there in the bookmarks after I rebooted. So I assume that has worked fine, and a multi-session CD would to be the way to go.

 

I have also noted from the save box that is displayed at shutdown, it mentions the filename - precisesave.2fz - so I will now search the hard drive for that file to see if I can find out what caused Puppy to ''remember'' that I had inadvertantly altered the video driver settings yesterday. But if you know of any other name that this mystery file might be called, or whereabouts on the hard drive it might be, please let me know.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 04:53 AM

Try this.

To save documents outside of Pup SaveFile go to /mnt/. For example, /mnt/home is the root directory/folder of your primary drive (C: drive in Windows speak).
Saving documents outside of SaveFile makes them easy to access by other OSes, Puppy installations and Saves

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:32 AM

Thanks. I have now managed to save downloads to a folder on the USB, in addition to having my settings saved on a multi-session CD.

 

I have downloaded a version of ClamAV that apparently works with Puppy. It is a .pet file, and is asking for an application when I try to open it.

 

Do you know what application I should use?


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:08 AM

 

I have downloaded a version of ClamAV that apparently works with Puppy. It is a .pet file, and is asking for an application when I try to open it.

Downloaded How?

You should get it thru puppy package manager. Menu/setup/puppy package manager ( Search for Clam).  I have never heard of a pet file that needs anything to open it, Normally you click the .pet file and it self installs.

 

 

See its in PPM Screenshot from my pc.

8zla2t.png

 

Hows that I have an antivirus on linux.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:44 PM

 

 

I have downloaded a version of ClamAV that apparently works with Puppy. It is a .pet file, and is asking for an application when I try to open it.

Downloaded How?

You should get it thru puppy package manager. Menu/setup/puppy package manager ( Search for Clam).  I have never heard of a pet file that needs anything to open it, Normally you click the .pet file and it self installs.

 

 

See its in PPM Screenshot from my pc.

8zla2t.png

 

Hows that I have an antivirus on linux.

 

 

I downloaded clamav-0.97.3-i686.pet from some site I found by navigating from the links at clamav.net, knowing it was an older version but thinking it might update itself once installed. I initially tried using Packet Manager, but the first package I went to download said that there were ''missing dependancies.''

 

However, when I couldn't open the .pet file I downloaded, I went back into package manager and after updating it, downloaded the packages anyway hoping that the missing dependancies would be in other packages. I now have everything installed that you have highlighted on your screenshot (thanks for the screenshot) excepting the test files, but there is still a bunch of stuff missing:

 

libdate-calc-perl

libfile-find-rule-perl

liblocale-gettext-perl

libnet-dns-port-perl

libwww-perl

logrotate ufc

zenity

 

Clamtk appears in the menu, but nothing happens when I click on it.

 

Do you know how or where I might find these missing files?






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